Talk:Ilana Mercer
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How is she not a climate change denialist? Also, Wikipedia copy pasta...[edit]
This article sounds like ”what is pejoratively known as” “turd polishing”. Wrapping your climate change denialism in (pseudo?) Popperian “unfalsifiability lingo” does not give your climate change denialism a free pass.
Also, this is just copy pasta from the equally sanguine and (borderline?) promotional Wikipedia article,
including the nonsensical link that doesn’t actually substantiate anything but what she herself considers an apt designation of her stance on climate change.
If we need an article on Mercer, I really doubt that this is it. ScepticWombat (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- No takers? Okay, I’ll try pinging all current contributors as I don’t know which of you are interested in the topic and who are just doing janitorial work on the article:
- @Kc2290 @Spud @Bongolian @Kazitor @Gospatric @Cosmikdebris.
- So long, y’all. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Relevant sources found so far: this quote(not citations to follow), this WND article (includes the very very very very very deniery quote "Thus evidence that contradicts the global warming theory, climate kooks enlist as evidence for the correctness of their theory; every permutation in weather patterns – warm or cold – is said to be a consequence of that warming or proof of it.", here's her with the old global cooling canard.
- She's a denialist plain and simple. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm gonna wear a suit out of ya, ya Wombat. --It's-a me,
🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 19:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- I need a good refutation for her ancap arguments. She thinks private property is a good answer for environmentalism, which I disagree, but I can't think of examples right now besides from "government did a good job protecting the environment and has saved the bald eagle and brown pelican and snowy egret and conserved national park space". --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 19:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- @ScepticWombatYou can safely assume that all of my edits on all articles here are purely janitorial. I haven't got a clue who Ilana Mercer is. I do, however, really hate it when articles about people with unjustifiable opinions try to justify those opinions. And one thing I hate even more than that is when users plagiarize great chunks of text from Wikipedia. But it looks like the situation is being caoably taken care of now. Spud (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know who she is prior to this, but after some research, she's pretty damn nuts, if not a garden variety nationalistic far-right ancap. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 00:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- @LeftyGreenMario As for her anc(r)appy “just privatise the environment” shtick; that’s an old canard based on a deliberate misunderstanding of the much misused term and example of the tragedy of the commons. First off, it ignores that in several cases the owners would have incentive to, for instance hoover up all the fish or whack all the animals that are on their turf before they move over to the neighbor’s. It also ignores that there are plenty of examples of private owners finding far more lucrative ways of exploiting their turf (e.g. through mining with little or no regards for environmental hazards or burning off indigenous forests to make room for plantations, fields or pasture), so that argument fails on the historical record. For a contemporary example, it would be rather ludicrous to think that if private companies or persons owned US national parks that they would magically be immune to the kind of exploitation that Trump is now opening up for. ScepticWombat (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- That's my problem with "just privatize everything", people like to exploit without the regulations. But I like some real-life examples of private owners mucking up the environment; we know about corporations doing the same though. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 03:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Unless you can think of a way to privatize air in a way that doesn't ruin billions of lives along the way, it's a self-refuting idea. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- That's my problem with "just privatize everything", people like to exploit without the regulations. But I like some real-life examples of private owners mucking up the environment; we know about corporations doing the same though. --It's-a me,
- @LeftyGreenMario As for her anc(r)appy “just privatise the environment” shtick; that’s an old canard based on a deliberate misunderstanding of the much misused term and example of the tragedy of the commons. First off, it ignores that in several cases the owners would have incentive to, for instance hoover up all the fish or whack all the animals that are on their turf before they move over to the neighbor’s. It also ignores that there are plenty of examples of private owners finding far more lucrative ways of exploiting their turf (e.g. through mining with little or no regards for environmental hazards or burning off indigenous forests to make room for plantations, fields or pasture), so that argument fails on the historical record. For a contemporary example, it would be rather ludicrous to think that if private companies or persons owned US national parks that they would magically be immune to the kind of exploitation that Trump is now opening up for. ScepticWombat (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know who she is prior to this, but after some research, she's pretty damn nuts, if not a garden variety nationalistic far-right ancap. --It's-a me,
- @ScepticWombatYou can safely assume that all of my edits on all articles here are purely janitorial. I haven't got a clue who Ilana Mercer is. I do, however, really hate it when articles about people with unjustifiable opinions try to justify those opinions. And one thing I hate even more than that is when users plagiarize great chunks of text from Wikipedia. But it looks like the situation is being caoably taken care of now. Spud (talk) 23:20, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- I need a good refutation for her ancap arguments. She thinks private property is a good answer for environmentalism, which I disagree, but I can't think of examples right now besides from "government did a good job protecting the environment and has saved the bald eagle and brown pelican and snowy egret and conserved national park space". --It's-a me,
- I'm gonna wear a suit out of ya, ya Wombat. --It's-a me,
...personally what I find most upsetting is her blatant antisemitism. See for example ANY of her last two dozen or so articles at Mises Institute: https://mises.org/search?articles_prod%5BrefinementList%5D%5Bauthors.name%5D%5B0%5D=Ilana%20Mercer — Unsigned, by: 57.135.151.39 / talk / contribs