Talk:Independent Baptist

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This article requires attention for the following reason(s): Too many unfounded statements not backed up by sources. Makes sweeping generalizations without providing any references. Over reliance on bullet lists, when narrative would be much better.

A BoN checks in

Whoever wrote this article is an idiot and I hope God deals with your heart, thats if your even His child. Nevertheless, God identifies people into four catagories according to Proverbs, the wise, the simple, the scorner and the fool. I haven't quit pinpointed what catagory the author who wrote about independent baptist but my guess they are either a scorner or a fool. ^{— Unsigned, by: 76.194.220.146 / talk}

What exactly does God do with people's hearts? Blue (is useful) 05:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Many independent Baptists are Calvinists. In Calvinism, you do not "let Jesus Christ into your heart;" Jesus marches in without so much as a by-your-leave. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

In Soviet Russia, Jesus believes in YOU! 74.89.212.27 (talk) 11:20, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

What category are the rational folks in, BoN 76? 74.89.192.173 (talk) 18:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that first BoN person, and most IFBs are NOT calvinists. The main contributors to this article, who think IFBs admire mass shootings, have to live in the freaking mountains somewhere because the people they are describing are more commonly known as "hillbillies". 71.208.254.107 (talk) 13:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

@71.208.254.107 That's very interesting, given that the original post made absolutely no points and instead relied appeals to emotion, Ad hominem attacks, and listing "God's" categorization system (which I might add is rather simplistic and vague). In short the original post was nothing more than the whining of a child unable to explain what they disliked about this article, and why. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 13:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion of Oxyaena's revert (which wouldn't have to happen if Oxy weren't trigger happy with the revert button)

So I've been trying to improve this article per the banner at the top of it, by removing horseshit that indisputably represents some IFBs but really doesn't belong in a list of beliefs held by IFBs in general. As I said on @Noir LeSable's talk page, the two things I removed were an outlandish position only held by one moron and his followers, and a position that is more a conservative matter than an Independent Baptist matter (saying that IFBs are against all schools is stupid when Jack Hyles' church runs two of them and PCC and BJU not only run them but supply textbooks for them, not to mention I could name numerous Independent Baptist churches in my area that have positive relationships with the public school system). If you want to call out Steven Anderson for the jackass that he is, by all means do so on his article, but don't say that it's the position of a demographic larger than the Pentecostals, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Mormons. Note that I do not pretend to be a newbie, I just choose to edit anonymously (as Gooniepunk aka Reckless Noise Symphony and many others choose). I am not a troll, I am not a vandal. In case Oxy decides to be a bully and accuse me of one of his little buddies (as she has with past IPs of mine), big brothers @Nutty Roux @Ace McWicked are invited to join the fight. 71.215.89.215 (talk) 22:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

— Oxyaena ^Harass 15:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

No one wants to see you post pictures of yourself, lol. 71.215.89.215 (talk) 19:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

So how are those cheerleaders you've been stalking, Davey? — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I knew the sockpuppet allegation was coming. Did anyone ever tell you that you're weird? 71.215.89.215 (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

You evidently have a past history with me, and to say otherwise is just lying. The fact that I reverted this particular edit (because it was poorly formatted and should've been brought up on the talk page and not the article) only for you to start ranting about me and my blocking history shows you have a history with me or at least my edits. So, who are you again? — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I never said I didn't have past history with you, in fact I have had past history with you. Past history with you reverting me and blocking me as a sock of one of the M&Ms. That is why I don't like you. I think you are a trigger happy POS. 71.215.89.215 (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I checked up on the IP contributions, they only go back a couple days. Convenient. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. I have a dynamic IP, meaning I can contribute here and there to the mainspace without getting into this kind of drama bullshit. Usually I am not even noticed or I get the "Welcome to RationalWiki!" thing, except when you (and only you) have a bug up your ass that every IP contributor is a sockpuppet. So I have lots of reason to hate you. 71.215.89.215 (talk) 20:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The beliefs section

• The first six are fine, but "They maintain a distance from and suspicion of the broader evangelical movement" is questionable.
• Seven is too specific. In some IFB churches, a visitor could come to the Sunday morning service wearing short shorts and not be shunned, while others would gripe about a girl wearing pants to church. As far as outside of church, I've known of IFB girls in the public school system participating in sports like track and cheerleading where they wear uniforms short enough to get someone expelled from Bob Jones University.
• Eight through eleven is accurate
• Twelve should be removed; it may be true for some, but I've never heard of this, therefore is too much of a generalization.
• Thirteen should definitely be removed; this belongs in Steven Anderson's own article.
• Fourteen is accurate and should stay.
• Fifteen is subjective, but probably accurate enough to stay. Merriam-Webster defines "hatred" as "extreme dislike or disgust" or "ill will or resentment that is usually mutual : prejudiced hostility or animosity." Going by the first definition, that's definitely accurate. If you go by the second definition, that varies from church to church and person to person.
• Sixteen is accurate and should stay.
• Seventeen and eighteen are too variable to include in this list, and seventeen in particular is problematic because some IFBs operate "Christian private schools" (as said above, Jack Hyles and Pensacola Christian are among these ranks), while others take a hard homeschool or bust stance. As argued above, the homeschooling position is more a part of conservatism than being an IFB.
• I hope this helps. 71.215.89.215 (talk) 01:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)