Talk:Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva/Archive1

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Grew what?

"He transformed Brazil from a debtor to a creditor, and rapidly grew the country's." -- Grew the country's what? Economy, presumably? Indy (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm talking about the economy.--BluePink (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Not ready for mainspace

This "article", if it can be elevated to such heights, is pathetically vapid. Devoid of critical analysis of Lula's policies, (which, fun fact, I have a book on), it instead relies on childish jabs and vapid moralism, which denigrates its supposed credibility. Move the damned thing back to draftspace. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 18:11, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Christopher (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I already tried sending it to draftspace for those issues, but someone apparently decided it was mainspace worthy. Plutocow (talk) 18:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

That was @Dropix, the article's creator, although he did it incorrectly (copy/paste) so the page's history indicates it was me. Christopher (talk) 18:23, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded accusative, I could tell that Dropix was the one responsible (note to Dropix: at least try to improve the article or say why the critics are wrong if you want to move it to mainspace again). Plutocow (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

i agree. this article needs a lot more work (and more sources) before it's ready for mainspace. i'll add more content myself once i make the time to sit down and do some research. in the mean time, kudos to those who are currently working on improving this draft. The G (talk) 00:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll work on this draft when I have time, probably around February. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 23:44, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

The bulk of the article is well written and well sourced. It concerns a basic description of the subject, the most notable parts of his biography, etc. The only problem here seems to be with the contentious/biased statements about Lula. I've seen smaller stubs in mainspace without question. - Dropix (talk)

why were the opening quotes removed?

i don't think you should remove the opening quotes [1] [2] just because you don't like them. i mean, the sources are valid. (folha, for instance, has long been noted for its political independence (mota & capelato, 1981 [3]) unlike, say, gazeta. it's basically the brazilian equivalent of the new york times.) at least clarify the context of the quotes, but don't delete them unless you have a good reason to do so. The G (talk) 20:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@G Man The top quote was removed due to the way it framed the remarks in question, which going through the article cited contextualizes them as anti-privatization. If you wanted to add the remarks in question back to the article, I would advise a paragraph or subsection, not a quote, due to issues with framing in the latter format. The second quote, based on some brief digging, seems to have some kind of feud with Lula, though I'm not 100% so far, hence it was commented out, not removed entirely. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

got it. thanks for the explanation. i like the idea of adding a paragraph or subsection. i saw that the draft previously made the claim that lula made a lot of controversial statements [4]. i think this deserves its own section. eventually, we can make one addressing these claims, even if the sole purpose is to clarify or debunk them. i mean, the article on biden has a on his gaffes, after all. The G (talk) 20:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

We could have a separate section for quotes, just like we have one on Bolsonaro's page. - Dropix (talk) 05:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC)