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On second thought...

...Why do we have a giant list of all presidents with further details in each entry, especially when he have detailed articles on more than a few of them? Should we not just slap a link to their respective pages and be done with it?-Flandres (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, since at last count we have articles on more than two-thirds of all U.S. presidents now, I would like to raise the question "why do we have this list" again.-Flandres (talk) 19:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Because we don't have any on the final third, and it's nice and compacted here. They just need more sourcing. --Andrew5 (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

There are a number of US presidents, especially in the 19th century, who probably don't merit a full length article, but qualify for a few comments on here.

The chief danger here is partisanship. Some people are willing to back idiots just because they belong to their party... and conversely, criticise good things which the other lot did. For example, the only coherent president of the 21st century seems to have been Obama, but his faults are often overlooked. Biden is just as incoherent and bizarre as the last incumbent but in different ways.-Albannach (talk) 12:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

"...most U.S. presidents largely managed to avoid authoritarianism"

Doesn't that largely depend on how you define authoritarianism? What can we also allocate as authoritarianism to the US president when they mostly deal with foreign rather than domestic policy? The history of politics in the United States I would argue is chalk full of authoritarianism from Jim Crow, to McCarthyism, to mass surveillance, and even including literal torture of political prisoners. I can however see the argument being made that though this is attributable to the US's political system as a whole, it still isn't itself attributable to the president himself. How do we measure and score authoritarianism in presidencies as to justify this claim that authoritarianism has largely been avoided? Is engaging the bombing of foreign citizens and declaring war not itself a type of authoritarianism? Why or why not? - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC).

I know the examples are more modern but how is something like Trail of Tears not authoritarian policy either? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd say there are numerous examples of authoritarianism. The Trail of Tears definitely qualifies as Mario says, as do their continual pandering to surveillance agencies ("Alphabet Agencies") which spy on the American public. The handling of Covid also showed that Biden has definite authoritarian tendencies, and was willing to act against the US constitution.

Then there is the small matter of setting up dictatorships abroad, or supporting them.-Albannach (talk) 12:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The main problem IMO on this section is that it mentions 9 presidents out of 46, and kind of implies that this is not an exhaustive list of examples. It refutes the premise that the American president cannot be easily authoritarian. That is, supposing that the claims of authoritarianism are correct, of course. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 21:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I changed the wording to "the Presidency has by-and-large managed to avoid being turned into a dictatorship," and removed the non-exhaustive list of examples. Carthage (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Saint Obama

Obama has extremely good PR, but was much more hawkish than people realise. His government dropped tens of thousands of bombs on foreign civilians. He compares poorly to Bill Clinton and even Donald Trump. (Trump deserves credit in that regard, despite being awful in most others) I've even heard it said Obama was more hawkish than Dubya, although I'd question that assertion.

The Osama Bin Laden assassination... praised by whomever wrote that section but of dubious legality, given it occurred in Pakistan.

Also promising to close Gitmo, and never doing so.-Albannach (talk) 12:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Curse of Tippecanoe

Is 'thyphoid fever' a typo or an Americanism? Anna Livia (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

That's a typo. Carthage (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

President Loose Cannon

Some 'issues and quirks' can be worked around (and eg suitable experts and members of the Cabinet are appointed who are delegated to), but what happens if 'the President' becomes 'somewhat incompetent and incapable'/the process is slow enough for it not to be obvious/the President retains enough 'cunning' for his subordinates to 'just humour the Boss', partly because they are being played off against each other? Have there been any films or novels covering the topic? ^{— Unsigned, by: Anna Livia / talk / contribs}