Talk:Ted Cruz/Archive1
Natural born[edit]
Ted Cruz in inelligible to run for president, just like Alexander Hamilton...Andrewstewart1 (talk) 23:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- "any person born in the United States, unless he be born in one of the foreign legations therein, may be considered a citizen thereof until he formally renounces his citizenship." That quote is true, but it does not consign people born abroad to US citizens to some sort of non-natural citizenship. Not only was Hamilton born outside of what would become the United States, but neither of his parents had any attachment to what would become the United States, so the analogy isn't really apt. Cruz was born to a US citizen, and got his citizenship naturally. End of story. In the extremely unlikely event that Cruz becomes the GOP nominee, attempts to birther him would be crude, cynical, and foul in the extreme. Don't be that guy. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.
03:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- This isn't birtherism, it's basic American civics, my uncle has worked in immigration law for 30 years, I've studied immigration law myself, this is not up for debate. Cruz was born as a foreign-born American citizen, just like George Romney was born in Mexico and would have been ineligible for election if he had beaten Barry Goldwater. The laws are quite clear on this. Frankly, this is a website with a lot of UK citizens, and the UK has very different eligibility laws than the USA. Furthermore, quit baiting me as some sort of racist because I just so happen to have a little bit of insight that you may lack. It is a sign of your own lack of tact.Andrewstewart1 (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- "A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) Assuming his mom was in the US for the requisite time, Cruz acquired US citizenship, naturally, at birth. Prove to me she did not. Or, show me a piece of US law that says explicitly that a US citizen who acquired citizenship at birth while born on foreign soil is somehow possessed of a different kind of citizenship than one born in Schenectady.PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 22:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Also: your uncle has worked in immigration law for 30 years, eh? Wow, I did not know that legal expertise was transmitted via genetics or marriage. As I can count a CPA, a mechanic, an engineer, a truck driver, and a one-time Olympic gymnast among my uncles, I guess my career opportunities have opened up considerably. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 23:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- That link says nothing about the Presidency, only citizenship. You want proof? Refer to the Hamilton case, it was clear as day and is well-known that they altered the wording from 'citizen' to 'natural-born citizen' because he was born outside America. "They welcomed persons 35 or older, who had been residents of the United States for at least 14 years, and who had either been born in America or were American citizens when the Constitution was adopted. They did not welcome anyone else." Is there a tinge of racism to it? Yes, especially considering it was written by slave owners! However, that is the law, and it has never been changed. Ergo, if you are born abroad on US grounds (ie at an Embassy or military base hospital, as John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone), it still counts. However, even if the law was that the child of two American citizens born on foreign soil is still eligible for the Executive, Cruz's father was still legally a Cuban citizen, barring Cruz because he was born in Canada and only had one American parent.Andrewstewart1 (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Also: your uncle has worked in immigration law for 30 years, eh? Wow, I did not know that legal expertise was transmitted via genetics or marriage. As I can count a CPA, a mechanic, an engineer, a truck driver, and a one-time Olympic gymnast among my uncles, I guess my career opportunities have opened up considerably. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.
- "A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) Assuming his mom was in the US for the requisite time, Cruz acquired US citizenship, naturally, at birth. Prove to me she did not. Or, show me a piece of US law that says explicitly that a US citizen who acquired citizenship at birth while born on foreign soil is somehow possessed of a different kind of citizenship than one born in Schenectady.PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.
- This isn't birtherism, it's basic American civics, my uncle has worked in immigration law for 30 years, I've studied immigration law myself, this is not up for debate. Cruz was born as a foreign-born American citizen, just like George Romney was born in Mexico and would have been ineligible for election if he had beaten Barry Goldwater. The laws are quite clear on this. Frankly, this is a website with a lot of UK citizens, and the UK has very different eligibility laws than the USA. Furthermore, quit baiting me as some sort of racist because I just so happen to have a little bit of insight that you may lack. It is a sign of your own lack of tact.Andrewstewart1 (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
I disagree. The requirements for the presidency is that one be a natural-born citizen. The term is undefined, which speaks to the fact that aspects of US law are decidedly amateur hour. But Occam's razor tells me that "natural-born citizen" means one who is a citizen not by a legal or bureaucratic act, but a natural one, i.e. birth. A person born to one US citizen (who meets the temporal components delineated above) is a US citizen by nature, and as such, is a naturally-born as one born in US-America. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 23:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree, but I will note that you have been quite rude and somewhat of a snot. I only mentioned my uncle's law practice because I was able to take advantage of his tutelage and learn from him. I'm an Eagle Scout, and one of the required badges is called Citizenship in the Nation, which does include a unit about presidential eligibility. Here is also a worthwhile resource. "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Henry Campbell Black, A Dictionary of Law, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026)"Andrewstewart1 (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- "Of greater importance is the fact that, regardless of his place of birth, Obama acquired foreign citizenship, at birth, by descent from his father. This fact, verified by Obama's own public admission, directly challenges the President's natural born citizenship and Constitutional eligibility....inform your elected representatives, both Federal and State, of the facts which give rise to doubts concerning the President's eligibility to hold office. Advise your elected representatives that, whenever there are facts indicating a violation of the Constitution, their oath to uphold the Constitution requires a timely investigation and resolution of those fact.(sic)....If you know persons, businesses or states which have suffered "concrete and particularized injury" (loss of job, franchise, income or investment) as a direct result of an official action by President Obama, or if you know any persons who face fine or incarceration for violating a law that President Obama had signed, let them know they may have standing to challenge the official action or law, on the basis of the President's ineligibility....Let Mitt Romney know that he has standing to challenge the outcome of the 2012 election, and you would support him if he were to pursue such a challenge tl;dr. Stewart says "this isn't birtherism," quotes a birther document to back up his argument. I'm done with you. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 01:04, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok I admit that I misread this false webpage, but I think the point remains valid to debate despite the false conclusions of birthers. Obama is valid as President BUT the law is interestingly being debated in ways I was previously led to believe were red herrings. See, that's what civility means, Powder Smoke and Leather, or whatever bondage fetish thing that you are into.Andrewstewart1 (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Methinks it is a Weasel 08:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps there really is some legal basis doubt after all. His mother was on a 1974 Canadian voter list.[1] Bongolian (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- His mother's US birth certificate was obtained by Talking Points Memo in 2013, and more recently by Breitbart.com. She is an American citizen, therefor Ted is too. The intent of the "natural born" clause is what is at issue, not his citizenship.Petey Plane (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, that's true but if neither his father (he wasn't) nor mother were US citizens at the time of his birth, he certainly wasn't natural born. There is some doubt about his mother still having US citizenship at the time of his birth (the 1974 Canadian voter role). If the mother could provide some tangible evidence, e.g., Canadian citizen application after birth of Ted (1970), that would completely settle it. She seemed reticent to talk so far though. Bongolian (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- His mother's US birth certificate was obtained by Talking Points Memo in 2013, and more recently by Breitbart.com. She is an American citizen, therefor Ted is too. The intent of the "natural born" clause is what is at issue, not his citizenship.Petey Plane (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps there really is some legal basis doubt after all. His mother was on a 1974 Canadian voter list.[1] Bongolian (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ok I admit that I misread this false webpage, but I think the point remains valid to debate despite the false conclusions of birthers. Obama is valid as President BUT the law is interestingly being debated in ways I was previously led to believe were red herrings. See, that's what civility means, Powder Smoke and Leather, or whatever bondage fetish thing that you are into.Andrewstewart1 (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- "Of greater importance is the fact that, regardless of his place of birth, Obama acquired foreign citizenship, at birth, by descent from his father. This fact, verified by Obama's own public admission, directly challenges the President's natural born citizenship and Constitutional eligibility....inform your elected representatives, both Federal and State, of the facts which give rise to doubts concerning the President's eligibility to hold office. Advise your elected representatives that, whenever there are facts indicating a violation of the Constitution, their oath to uphold the Constitution requires a timely investigation and resolution of those fact.(sic)....If you know persons, businesses or states which have suffered "concrete and particularized injury" (loss of job, franchise, income or investment) as a direct result of an official action by President Obama, or if you know any persons who face fine or incarceration for violating a law that President Obama had signed, let them know they may have standing to challenge the official action or law, on the basis of the President's ineligibility....Let Mitt Romney know that he has standing to challenge the outcome of the 2012 election, and you would support him if he were to pursue such a challenge tl;dr. Stewart says "this isn't birtherism," quotes a birther document to back up his argument. I'm done with you. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.
- Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree, but I will note that you have been quite rude and somewhat of a snot. I only mentioned my uncle's law practice because I was able to take advantage of his tutelage and learn from him. I'm an Eagle Scout, and one of the required badges is called Citizenship in the Nation, which does include a unit about presidential eligibility. Here is also a worthwhile resource. "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Henry Campbell Black, A Dictionary of Law, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026)"Andrewstewart1 (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Schooled by the Oatmeal on net neutrality[edit]
Here
MaillardFillmore (talk) 17:10, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Scorpion Add[edit]
Should we do a breakdown of his "Reagan-inspired" Scorpion add? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4K_uFZW9Jk). I heard Colbert talking about, and it just seemed too funny to pass up due to how poorly it was done. Nergali (talk) 13:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Rafael Cruz and internment camps[edit]
It seems the claim about atheists being put into camps came from a satirical article: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/cruzcamp.asp
The cited references include the original newslo (which is, indeed, a parody site) article and a daily beast article that doesn't mention atheists or camps at all. I think this one might be made up - any reason not to go ahead and remove it? Belarm (talk) 15:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Birthers and Trump[edit]
It seems the movement has finally caught up to Ted Cruz again... thanks to Donald Trump, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbxVNC_Amag Nergali (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Presidential Elegibility[edit]
With the current discovery of his possible Canadian citizenship, which if proven I know Trump will pursue if not the rest of the GOP, I think we should tred carefully since it hasn't been fully verified. I personally believe it doesn't matter since I believe the 'natural citizenship clause,, was repealed with the 14th Amendment, but that would need a court case.--Owlman (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- His (now former) Canadian citizenship isn't "possible", it's openly acknowledged by Cruz, specifically when he renounced it in 2014. He had dual-citizenship. His mother's US birth certificate has been released, so he is and American citizen by virtue of that. Now, whether that makes him "natural born" in another debate.Petey Plane (talk) 15:22, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think we need the birther squad to investigate, include Trumps crack team of lay abouts, unless this kind of scrutiny only applies to Obama. I mean, they are non-partisan patriots just looking out of the truth right? :-p -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- We need to bring in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's citizen
pussiesposse to travel to Alberta towaste tax dollarsinvestigate, as they did byvacationingtraveling to Hawaii to look into Obama.Petey Plane (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)- To be fair I would rather have a paid
investigationvacation to Hawaii instead of going to Alberta in the dead of winter. If one could stand the company a drunk retriever with a brain injury could fool these nimrods to keep the investigation open. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 15:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- To be fair I would rather have a paid
- We need to bring in Sheriff Joe Arpaio's citizen
- I think we need the birther squad to investigate, include Trumps crack team of lay abouts, unless this kind of scrutiny only applies to Obama. I mean, they are non-partisan patriots just looking out of the truth right? :-p -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 15:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- I hate that this is a question anyone is sincerely asking, and all the "ironic" asking by people "mocking" Obama birthers is sometimes impossible to distinguish from sincerity. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 15:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- It honestly doesn't matter to me, because Tedward has no chance of ever becoming president, but i'm all for Republican in-fighting. Recently, Ann Coulter did a complete reversal on whether he is eligible or not, and when called out on it, her only excuse was "I changed my mind." which transelates as "I'll say or do anything if it helps Trump get elected."Petey Plane (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Actually the thing that matters is his mother's residency in the US. According to US Law, a child born abroad to one US citizen and one non-citizen has to have lived in the US for a certain period. In Cruz's case, his mother needs to have lived there for ten years, including two after the age of 14. There's also this article by a constitutional law professor that lays out another reason why he may not be "natural-born". I doubt it'll be an issue because he won't be elected, but it really should be sorted out properly. rpeh •T•C•E• 12:03, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Someone with a record for condoning serious sexual harassment could be appointed to the Supreme Court.[edit]
Is this factual or speculative? Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:56, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- The sources seem pretty legit and the claims are sourced from locations that aren't green ink. It's as factual as anything that could happen in the future depending if he gets the nomination, gets the vote, and decides to fill a post with this insufferable asshole. I doubt this person will get the position given her opinions about defendants in sexual harassment lawsuits being "playful" by making sexual remarks over a PA system, grabbing a woman's ass (plus using pliers) and defendants encouraging those having sexual harassment problems to just have sex with the harasser. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk)
- Hmmm. *reads* She'd never make it through the Senate hearing. --Castaigne2 (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunate acronym[edit]
His logo, TRUSTed, contains the acronym for TransRectal UltraSound, a prostate imaging technique. Methinks the Schlafly minion who labeled the "Trusworthy Encyclopedia" was on to something. What is it about the GOP and stuffing probes where the sun don't shine, anyway? MaillardFillmore (talk) 17:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)