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Rape sympathies

I'm not doubting that TAA may have made those statements, but the citation has his comments deleted. Is there a screenshot we can find? Because his anti-feminist rants alone are not enough to call him misogynistic, but his sickening statements about rape (regardless of whether he intended them as a joke) are. Mr. Anon (talk) 03:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

A bunch of screencaps are floating around. Here's one. 99.235.89.240 (talk) 04:20, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

That is pretty disgusting. I don't think that he actually is sexist, but insensitivity at that level is inexcusable, whatever the intent. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Anita Sarkeesian

Anyone who agrees with TJ and I that Feminist Frequincy is a misandrist for believing all males are Chauvinist writers, are in favour of violance against women, only has love and support for her own gender and also believes all males automattically responsible for the oppression of women for being alive I would like a response. ^{— Unsigned, by: 120.151.106.44 / talk / contribs} 08:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You didn't ask a question or form a sentence. What kind of response would you like? Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Should we mention her on the article from TJ's perspective? ^{— Unsigned, by: 120.151.106.44 / talk / contribs}

No. On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 09:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

If you would give me a link to the signing in page I would but why can't Anita Sareesian be referanced?

You can create an account here, but you need to sign your posts whether you are logged in or not. As for Anita Sareesian, I don't know who she is, but what you wrote wasn't very coherent & didn't seem to be adding anything of value to the article. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 06:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

She's relevent because she finds everything misoginistic and nothing misandric which represents the entire feminist movement and TJ is one of the few people that agrees with me that feminism isn't perfect. --Aravis Laserleen (talk) 05:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Eh? Тyrannis^{An iron, but caring, fist} 05:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Come again? --il'Dictator Mikal 05:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I just fell like I'm being personlly blamed for my gender because as I stated above hating the media and hating men are one and the same. --Aravis Laserleen (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

... stop talking please.il'Dictator Mikal 05:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The primary trouble is that you are making no sense. Peter ^{with added ‼Science‼} 05:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You're being personally blamed for sounding like a small-minded incoherent buffoon, not for your gender. AFAIK, most users who have posted in this thread are also male. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 07:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Go on Youtube and type in Feminist Frequincy and watch her videos and you may see what I mean that she finds everything sexist and believes allmales are sexist writers and thus hates men altogether. --Aravis Laserleen (talk) 05:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

But why would we need it hereil'Dictator Mikal 05:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Because RW is an outlet for MRA butthurt, didn'cha know? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

No because he made a statement of her on his video Everyone's A Cry Baby, he points out the feminist hypocracy in the video Its only sexist when men do It and has clearly stated in more then one video that is is not a Men's Right's Activist anymore then he is a feminist because unlike those two movements he believes in gender equality and says he is a huminist. --Aravis Laserleen (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

ok?il'Dictator Mikal 05:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

In other words he is an equalist and the feminist and men's rights activist for that matter aren't because they only have love for their own gender. --Aravis Laserleen (talk) 05:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

ok?il'Dictator Mikal 05:49, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and all the people in the civil rights movements were racist because they only have love for their own race. And all colours are actually black and white. 10011 101010110. Tielec01 (talk) 12:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious - as no laws have been written limiting men's rights, based on these horrible feminists, why do you care if they are bitches or brats? Why don't you just ignore them? It's not like you are losing your right to make more money, or your right to deny pregnant women the right to paid vacation, or your right to control their reproduction. I do understand it's still illegal to beat women, but just think, you've managed to redefine rape in some states, so that women have no longer been raped, they have just "made an accusation" of being raped. But I digress. Stupid women and their stupid feminist desires to be equal.GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 13:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, the pseudo-egalitarian patriarchal crap that TJ spews is just as bad for men as it is for women. All it does is reinforce the bullshit notion that men are raging sex-demons who are so uncontrollable as to need constant penile stimulation. Problematic biotrufs aside, this makes the MRA movement anti-men as well as anti-women. — Unsigned, by: ORavenhurst / talk^{Do You Believe That?} 13:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

There are some very real issues that men have a right to say "hey, what's up" about, but they are themselves so rooted in how women are treated, that you won't change the situation till women's rights change. For example, courts giving women custody more often, and not really considering men capable of being primary care givers. But that is grounded in the idea that women are and must be care givers. The idea that women's role is first and foremost the mother - wife and worker comes second. When a child is sick, society expects that the women is responsible both for the illness and the care. You rarely hear "what a bad single father for not knowing how to keep his child for doing X or Y". You OFTEN hear that of women. If, during a divorce, a man wants to abdicate the actual day to day care of his child, and just pay for them - that would be considered somewhat normal. If a woman wanted teh same, that would be a horror show of "what kind of woman is she". When women are looked at on equal footing with men, that women can be selfish at some times, and selfless at some times; when women are "allowed" to put their career first, without society chiding them; when single women are treated with teh same "my god, you're a single father, that must be so hard" that men are - then men will get custody more often. Most of the other issues MR bring up, are just petty whinging that they as individuals have had a bad / raw deal.GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 15:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

Feminist are not perfect like you make them out to be. 95% of feminist hate men with a pashion because they falsly accuse men of raping them believe all men are rapist, castrate any male they wise, solely encourage misandry in feminiist education, neclect when ever boys are being raped and support only girls. Even if a man is holding a door open for a women he is automatically the oppreessor from birth, they encourage girls to get pregnet to to have abortion, they don't care if men and boys are sextualised in the same light as girls and women and praise any violance aginst men and critisise violance against women. Men are not supposed to have fellings and if they do then their fellings don't matter. Feminism has failed to achieve equallity like communism has because 70% of feminist are anaxed or satilite movements of the Gender Feminist and 25% are conqured or allies to the Separatist Feminist just like a majority of the soviet states were controlled by either Russia and China. If they truly believed in equality and didn't hate men 24/7 they wouldn't be calling themselves feminist but equalist. Your statements about men are false because they are ten times more likely to be homeless then women and male suicides are four times heigher then female suicides. But yes I know "all male are automatically Chauvinist pigs and violant potintial rapist from birth" no matter how far away we are from mindless animals we are or how much we are opposing misogony. Look I'm not saying that a women's place is at home and has to be the carrer I'm just saying you believe we are all in favour of oppressing women. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 07:52, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

^{[citation needed]} 99.50.98.145 (talk) 09:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for my hostilties against the movement and my over reaction against it. It is just that we have learnt to respect women more and gradually believing that they should be equall, oppose to anything we find chauvinistic and in return we get called Neanderthals, get punished just for being born male and believe sexism is on the rise instead of declining. But the only thing has has got more sexist is Political Corectness just like they have been the only ones to become more racist. It is just as overated as the first half of the Third Reich of Germany. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 02:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

What. No. Bad. Godwin. Idiot. Тyrannis^Plead 03:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Let's start from the beginning. That's nice that one particular feminist has made misandrist statements, and TAA has contested her on that, but it is not notable in this article. TAA, while not overtly sexist, has echoed the rhetoric of misogynistic organizations that pose to be "men's rights" groups. While some of the issues he raises are legitimate, he has been observed verbally abusing rape victims. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

But is he abusing rape victums on purpuse, he pretends to, is being sarcastic or mearly jocking? He beliefs in the statements he says but he grossly exagerates and is not always met to be taken seriously. No I don't find him funny when he is being contraversial and even get disgusted at his mean spirited humer but I don't take him serously. I tried to add Anita Sarkeesian to the feminist section in a attempt of stating feminism isn't all that it is cracked up to be but it was deleated and the arguement of feminism is just black and white. Its either all males are automatically responsible for the oppression of women from birth or not. No its not just her its every feminist off all forms of it I have read,seen or heard of that hates men simply for being male --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

TJ's opinions on feminism are already covered in this article; I don't see how mentioning this Sarkeesian person adds anything to it, especially as you didn't include any link so the reader could check out what you were talking about. AS for your views on feminism, why not talk to feminists and ask them what they believe, instead of just telling them what you think they believe. You might find it's not as black & white as you're making out it is. ωεαşεζøίɗ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 09:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I have already gave the instruction to TJ's video of her its on Youtube and its called "Everyone's A Cry Baby" and as for feminism being diffrent groups they all believe in the Patriarchy as TJ has stated, therefore they all believe all males are automatically the oppressor from birth. Its been that way since the first wave began and they have never dropped that belief. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 03:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

... Тyrannis^Plead 03:29, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Your only citation is TAA himself. That is by definition circular reasoning. Most feminists here have advocated for equality in all areas, even areas where men are disadvantaged. "The Patriarchy" refers to the cultural inequality of gender roles. Mr. Anon (talk) 03:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Whether women are being oppressed or abused by men or not they believe all men are oppressors and are in favour of violance against women. They don't need to be wronged to hate men they just need to be told that they will be wronged because that is what feminist education is for since humans are blind sheep. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 03:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Jesus Christ just SHUT UP already. il'Dictator Mikal 03:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not until someone agrees with me that feminism has little to nothing to do with equallity. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 03:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

... ... ... i don't even.il'Dictator Mikal 03:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I will block you if you do not respond to my last comment. Mr. Anon (talk) 03:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll strip your block rights if you do.il'Dictator Mikal 03:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I AM A WOMAN! I AM A FEMINIST. CLEARLY I HATE ALL OF YOU. (rolls eyes). BON, have you every ASKED a feminist what she thinks? just curious.GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 04:42, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Calm down, the both of you, we don't have to punish people for disagreeing with us and/or trolling us. Blue (pester) 03:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

(EC⁴) That can be said of radical feminism and other second-wave strains, but not liberal feminism. Feminists are not a monolithic ideological bloc, and liberal feminists do not do essentialism or gender struggle. ListenerX^TalkerX 04:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

@Blue, who am i punishing who disagrees with me? O.o il'Dictator Mikal 04:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

My statement was to the IP, not you, but I apologize for losing my temper there. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I apoligise for my generlisation of feminism. I don't hate women I'm just afraid that they hate me. It was I who added the statement of Samus Aran on wikipedia of her character decline but it keept on getting deleated even though I provide the sources. I just fell all of Feminist Frequincy's videos are adressed to males only because it seems she paints us all with the same brush. The Third Wave is just as brutal if not then even more brutal then the second I mean look at the VAWA it makes us all the oppressor and are violant towards woman and that was formed in the third wave so we have every right to fear the movement. I happen to be a writer myself I agree with a majority of her videos but I just fell I'm being personly blamed for my gender. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 09:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll say it again: you're being personally blamed for sounding like a small-minded incoherent buffoon, not for your gender. And if you're a writer, you're a terrible one. It's "feel", not "fell". Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 12:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Men and women both sometimes feel we are being blamed for our genders. Both sexes sometimes stereotype the other unreasonably. Proxima Centauri (talk)

I'm looking forward to the after school special. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 15:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I known all you care about is being a grammer Nazi instead of what IPs are trying to say. However that is not why I'm here I'm her for the question wethear or not Anita Sarkeesian is just another Straw Feminist and hates men with a pashion. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 06:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

So you keep saying, but you really don't seem very interested in anybody else's opinion, or in backing up your argument with examples. You're just repeating the same few phrases & it's pretty tiresome. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 07:09, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you define "straw feminist" in such a way it doesn't imply she is more or less a feminist that I am, or Weasoloid is - even though both of us are quite different in our feminisms? Can you show her writings (I'm going to assume she is a writer), and the exact words she used that suggest to you she "hates men"? Can you show where she doesn't like sex, or how ever you assert her views on that? Maybe what we should be doing is writing an article on her? You could write it for us. GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 16:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow, so having never heard of her (which is not surprizing, she is a vlogger, not a writer. her "blogs" are just redirects to her vlogs - and I don't have the time to waste with vlogs when I can skim an article for important relevant stuff). She what "is" she? She studies women and pop culture, and provides a feminist critique on the world as portrayed through the media and specifically pop culture. her article on Buffy vs. Belle is spot on. How dare society teach that girls can kick vampire's asses and have some great sex at the same time. no no, we must pine for our vamps and offer to have their babies! But no men hating. Then I read the start of her project on women in video games. She laments that women players (and there are many out there) have so few choices for the rolls they can be, and often turn to male characters caust they are stronger, more complex, and simply more intersting. She also talks about the large number of "fighting fuck toys", a term she did not coin. intersting ideas. But no men hating. So again my challenge - what are the words she uses to say she hates men? GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 16:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I watched through a couple of her videos (channel) & bits of some others, but like you I don't have much patience with vlogs. I agreed with most of what I heard; I didn't find the bit where she says she hates men, wants to castrate them, wants girls to get pregnant & have abortions, etc. ^{— Unsigned, by: Weaseloid / talk / contribs} 18:22, 07 June 2012 (UTC)

She has criticised X-Men for being sexist and not Avengers, she has critised female game characters even if they are doing what she wants them to do and when ever she sees violance aginst women she she makes hypocritical statements because she says that women have to be afraid of men enough and guess what more then half of the fear of men is encouraged by the feminist movement. Critisising the media and critising men are one and the same wethear we agree that genders should be equal or not. No its not just women who find twilight sexist look at The Amazing Athist and the Nostalgic Critic's review of the series they hate it for the same reason feminist do even though they are Anti-feminist and I've also seen male critism of Metroid Other M for the reduction of the lead role. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

If you think there are legitimate concerns about sexism in books and films, including ones created by women as well as men (Twilight), how can you possibly believe that "criticising the media and criticising men are one and the same"? Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 12:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Because regardless if we agree with the feminist or not they claim that all media is targeted at males as long as the writers are males wether they are chauvinist oppressors or not. There for they are boycotted and claim anyone who views them is a chauvinist and there for they believe all males are chauvinist. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 04:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Is it too much to ask that you indent your posts by prefixing them with one more colon than the previous post? This page is starting to look like a saw blade. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

To be fair I do this format all the time. Mr. Anon (talk) 05:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The walking fifty-car pile-up that is Proxima Centauri.

Godot, you regularly use very strong language, that gets readers hot under the collar and makes readers react emotionally. Then you get onto your academic high horse and accuse your opponents of being irrational. If you genuinely want people to be more rational here please cut down on the Inflammatory language. BON please cut down on Inflammatory language too for the same reason but without the academic high horse. Proxima Centauri (talk) 09:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

rolls on the floor, laughing my ass off. --GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 15:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

The deadly radioactive, misanthropic nuclear explosion that is Stabby

Thank you for linking high horse and inflammatory language, Proxima. I'm sure the 40-year-old PhD greatly appreciates your callow condescension. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 09:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Wait… What? Peter ^{Blessed are the cheesemakers} 09:24, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Brutal repressive authoritarian Tyrant

Prox, I've had enough. Shut up. Тyrannis^Plead 12:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Everyone's A Cry Baby

Since Butthead didn't bother to link to the video he keeps going on about, here it is. Between the yelling, groaning & silly voices, Mr Amazing's argument seems to be that big problems exist in the world & therefore it's stupid to focus on lesser problems, like casual sexism & racism in society & the media - i.e. the old "not as bad as" gambit. Aside from being a stupid argument in its own right (& one that feminists encounter disturbingly often; cf Richard Dawkins on the Rebecca Watson "elevatorgate" gate thing), surely the same logic could be applied to many of the things TJ has chosen to vent about. That & some strawman shit about pretending that Sarkeesian believes sexist commercials, video games, etc. are the source of sexism rather than examples of it. Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 16:35, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I admit to using that fallacy often. I see some ugly stuff, working on reservations, that make it really hard to take people in things like "occupy wall street" seriously. I see republicans worrying about whether or not my child is born out of wed lock (or born at all) but not worrying about the 100,000s of kids who are born, and have no love of ANY parent, much less two of opposite sex. When is it ok to say "let's solve the bigges, or at least put our energy towards that, before we worry about the little stuff?" And oddly, i'm more closely aligned with Dawkins than Watson on "elevatorgate", though I wish we lived in a different world where academics at conferences and women in elevators in general, didn't feel like they were 24/7 meat market. See, BON, not all feminists agree. --GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 16:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure, the big organisations like governments and charities should be focusing on the bigger problems ahead of the smaller ones, but it' still important for people to stand up and point out the littler problems in our societies rather than just let them pass as not worth worrying about. To consider why we live in a world where academics at conferences and women in elevators feel like they're part of 24/7 meat market, it's important to consider things that reinforce that view of women, like the kind of casual sexism in movies, TV, advertising etc. that Feminist Frequency seems to be focusing on (from the short bits of her videos I watched). Of course sexism wouldn't disappear with these things, but changing portrayals of women would gradually help to change attitudes. ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit point

She is not suggesting alternatives she is only fueling hatred of men that we are all the oppressors even if we work with feminist. No he is not a racist because he critisises anyone who is from the klan to the black Panthas and PC is just more racism because it has no more freedom of speech then Nazi germny and like the Nazis it has labeled an entire group of people in a negitive light and has allowed their collectives to get away with prejudice. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 06:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

How bout that godwinil'Dictator Mikal 06:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

See, this is where you and TJ get very lost. Society is, right now, by and large controlled by men, for men. The media as well is largely by men, for men. (If you wish to see a great rant, someday I'll write about Huff Po, a news media 'controled' by a woman, but who's section on "women" reinforces every single sterotype that all we want to talk about is sex and beauty). Men by and large write comics for men. Women who write comics may have a slightly different style, but they are under serious pressure to insure their female charcaters are attractive and buxom. They are pushed to include "love plots" to bring in female audience, as if that's what we really want. Men in the media, in politics, in society in general spend a huge time telling women what we want. they literally create the market, then cater to it. And, I would argue, it's probably not just women - though that's an area I'm familar with. They image - and therefore needs and wants - of teh gay community are largely creations of society. The needs and choices of blacks, teens, and yes, "men" are largely created. This women calls them on it. She does not hate men, she hates what men who are in power have done. That is hardly a subtle distinction. And it is really not her job to suggest alternatives, any more than it's roger Ebert's job to suggest how to make better films. It's his job to analyze the films made. Women want to see ourselves in the world. We want to turn on tv and see "us". But a real us, not the invented, created, characterized "us" of the media. Gay's want this. Blacks want this. Athesists want this. It's not hard to see what the "alternatives" are, but as long as white upper middle and upper class christian men are controling our media, our society at large it's hard to find real images and not creations.GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 17:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

At the public library, I see a lot more women with stacks of romance novels than with copies of The Second Sex. ListenerX^TalkerX 03:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

That's not biological, Listerner. Society tells women we should read romance novels, and care about our families and wanting to get married and not care about science, about politics or about world affairs. Talk to female judges, and see what they go through. Talk with women scientists who are often asked "why would a woman want to do this". It's endemic in our society. I do think it is and has been changing, but it is very much a man's world for men. Not that I hate men. I rather love them. I hate what POWERFUL men have done to women. --GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 05:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Did "society" tell you to get a doctorate in Lakota mythography or whatever and then go into the legal profession? ListenerX^TalkerX 05:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

While I am not defending the IP, women represent the majority of voters while men remain the majority of elected officials. You cannot say that the only people responsible for this are men. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, come now; that is oversimplifying matters. The rigamarole that must be gone through to get on the ballot, especially with a major party endorsement, has relatively little to do with the electorate at large. ListenerX^TalkerX 04:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The point is that if any group, especially one that is a majority, wants to have its interests better represented, then they have the power to elect candidates that best represent their interests. And last time I checked, over 40% of women still vote Republican. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

To explain that mass political heresy on their sisters' part, feminists have the theory of false consciousness. They also have the claim that candidates representing their interests are blackballed before they even reach the ballot. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

70% of feminist are Gender Feminist and 25% of feminist are Separatist Feminist that means 5% hate men causuly while 95% hate men with a pashion. Kind of like how most of the communist states were controlled by either Russia and China. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Cite your sources. Mr. Anon (talk) 05:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

90% of women would identify themselves as feminist wethear they are being oppressed or not and if one ask them if they hate men they are guarteed to say yes or make misandric statements that we are all potintial rapist and are automatically responsible for the oppression of women from birth. Every site I go on about feminism both for it and against it is about them blaming us for being born male. I'm not saying that genders should not be equalor that men should be dominate I'm just saying that they hate us no matter what. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I think you go around altogether the wrong set of feminist sites, then. You might want to give the Minnesota Women's Press a try; misandry is not their party line. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry I just fell that Anita Sarkeesian is just another example of my view of feminism because she only finds sexism against women and none against men and I fell I'm being personlly blamed for my gender for the oppression of women wethear I'm against it or not. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Jesus christ, we know you feel blamed for being a male, you don't need to keep brining it up. --il'Dictator Mikal 05:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry it just that no one has really responded to it that I and other viewers of her who happen to be men should or shouldn't take offence it has only being ignored. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Not being answered is a sign nobody gives a shit. --il'Dictator Mikal 05:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Which is why I kept on asking and is why I came to the site. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful. Fuck off then. I'm tired of seeing your shit destroy recent changes.--il'Dictator Mikal 05:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

What are you even asking at this point? If you're still asking whether anyone here agrees with your views on feminism, Anita Sarkeesia and TheAmazingAtheist, it should be obvious by now that no, they do not. Try Encyclopedia Dramatica instead. I'm sure you'll fit right in. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 16:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

IP, I asked for a citation for you claim that the majority of feminists "hate men". Can you please give one? Mr. Anon (talk) 15:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Encyclopidadramatica is terrible it only focuses on male fantasys and not criticising the subjects themselves in a argumentative manner. If you want my opinion it should be started from scratch or deleated altogether. Uncyclopida on the other hand at least tries to make statements without focusing on only one topic. I close my arguement on this section as I am going nowhere and am moveing to another below. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Why not just fuck off in general, nobody *Vocally* wants you here. --il'Dictator Mikal 08:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Create a misogynist category?

Have just the right person to put in. He likes bananas. Osaka Sun (talk) 12:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, the misogyny bs again. Even though he believes in equality of genders, he's a misogynist. I guess if you're a dick, you're also a homophobe, a misogynist, an antisemite, etc. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 17:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

YOu are seriously missing the point. He does NOT believe in "equality of genders', he SAYS he believes in it. His actions show that is not the case. Any more than Ron Paul believes in equality of the races, but thinks any effort to help make them equal is unfair to whites. GodotGrow a vagina 18:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

"Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rape as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give the guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?"

DasRationalperson, reality is not on your side here. Give up your fanboy tendencies now or leave. Osaka Sun (talk) 18:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

He clearly hated that person at the time,and had a violent and stupid reaction to their probably aggressive discussion,of which he excused himself in his videos.That doesn't make him a misogynist.That might make him an asshole,but that,he himself agrees anyway. Also,I don't see how you have the right to tell anyone how they should think on this site(even if you're the big boss,it's a free encyclopedia based on the model of free-thinking and sharing).Schok (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Fuck, jeez, bugg, fine, enjoy pissing on my work. Seriously. I give your knee-jerk reactions a free pass and I abdicate. I spent far too many time I could have wasted on RuneScape or writing my novel debating here, with zero productiveness. I watch TJ's videos (probably the only one that ever touched this article), I like his ideas, I mostly agree with them, and if you say I can't like him because he is a dick you can fuck off. You guys seriously need to learn a thing or two about teh intranetz - and people, really. People do stupid stuff, especially on the internet. If they have some incidents, that's normal, because everybody does it, and it doesn't completely discredit all the other stuff they did. Also, about name-calling: he's a jerk. That doesn't mean he is (or you are justified to call him) a homophobe, an antisemite, a homophobe, a neonazi, a racist and every other name of the book. Being anti-victim or a dick to people you are debating with doesn't make you a misogynist, it makes you ... Well, anti-victim and a dick, respectively. He wouldn't act any different towards male victims, just as he doesn't act any different towards males he is involved in heated debate with.

No unique ideas? I think anti-feminism and some other ideas make him quite unique in today's atheist community.

Also - it's DasRationalpersone. DasRationalpersone. DasRationalpersone. DasRationalpersone. E, e, e, e, e, e, e!!!!!!!! Even though you're probably trolling, I'm just sick of you shitting on my nickname.

Call me a fanboy (if I'm one you guys are haters), a misogynist, and whatever else you want now. Go ahead, I'm never viewing this page again. It doesn't exist for me anymore. What a relief, and what a rant I just wrote. -- DasRationalpersone (Annoy me!) 19:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

OMG, I didn't add an E! How terrible. And sure, be in denial. The guy's an embarrassment to the atheist community. Osaka Sun (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

DasRationalPersone; first I'll apologise for my spelling mistake (although I don't see the big deal), second for the break between posts but I forgot about the thread and third can I ask you to message me some of TAA's videos that you think would change my mind if you are so inclined; although you might not see this request because you have committed a mini-LANCB. I mean no insult by this, but I laughed when you said you have wasted enough time on this conversation when you could be playing runescape. Tielec01 (talk) 09:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I just read your last post more carefully - why would we call you a misogynist? Do you share TAA's position on rape?

TJ's position on rape? Like any other violation of personal rights,he loathes it.What he said is(from this article),being victim of rape is something you should be able to get over."Surviving rape" is pretty common and not extraordinary("Rape isn't fatal"). Of course,he might lack some empathy towards rape victims that can't get over their experience, and that might make him a jerk,but not a misogynist. Also,he doesn't represent the atheist community in the same way that no atheist represent it,because being an atheist shouldn't say much on your other political and social views outside religious debates.So if you get embarrassed when an atheist says or do something you don't agree with or dislike, you must live a life full of unnecessary guilt and shame. Stop that collectivist bullshit. Try to see people as individuals, not as parts of a group,from time to time.

He loathes it eh? Is that why he threatened someone with it? --Revolverman (talk) 01:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

"Call me a fanboy (if I'm one you guys are haters), a misogynist, and whatever else you want now. Go ahead, I'm never viewing this page again. It doesn't exist for me anymore. What a relief, and what a rant I just wrote."

Tielec01 (talk) 09:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Why would we call you a misogynist? Perhaps he thinks we share feminists' unfortunate tendency to use "misogynist" as a synonym for "heretic." Personally I would only use the term "misogynist" with its proper meaning, to describe people who hate women collectively, whether they avow this hatred openly or demonstrate it by their actions. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I don't thing "misogyny" is the proper term in this context. However, TAA's statements do prove that he is an insensitive dick, and not a good representative for the atheist community. I admit, I like many of his videos. But we cannot downplay the statements he has made in other circumstances and defended continuously. Mr. Anon (talk) 00:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

As evangelists never tire of pointing out, there is nothing in atheism forbidding actions like TheAmazingAtheist's; therefore, we should take his (lack of) beliefs entirely out of the equation, and just say that he is a crank and not a good representative of any group, except perhaps other cranks. ListenerX^TalkerX 02:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

You are only confirming that all feminist are misandrist because your in favor of only your own gender that's we he compares your movement to the KKK. ^{— Unsigned, by: 120.151.106.44 / talk / contribs}

Reverse sexism! ~ Kupochama^[1][2] 06:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

TheAmazingAtheist’s Misogynist Meltdown

TheAmazingAtheist’s Misogynist Meltdown 109.150.160.243 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Blue (pester) 15:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

This man is officially a monster. Absolutely disgusting. --_transResident Transfan^form! 16:18, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

We don't delete stuff here just because it causes buthurt to some folk, see Pissed at us. Still the more buthurt we cause the more important it is to see that all material is properly sourced. I'm not Jesus (talk) 08:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

He is a Humunist not a Masculist get it right and watch his review of The Revenge of the Fallen and see that he also finds misogyny like how he finds misandry. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 09:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Uh huh. No. Тyrannis^Plead 11:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Only mysogynists write vile hurtful stuff to rape victims. With something as serious as that you give the woman the benefit of any doubt. I'm not Jesus (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Or US politicians who claim there are no rape victims, only rape accusors! --GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 17:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

This incident has been covered before here, right? Mr. Anon (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I believe so. @BoN: lol. Blue (pester) 15:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, see talk page Archive 2 and the #Feminism section of the article. Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Ironically, it seems that the victim he mocked was a victim of female-on-female rape, a crime that is undercovered by officials. Mr. Anon (talk) 15:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Now when did I say there is no such thing as rape victums. I clearly stated above that I was disgusted with TJ's mockery of rape victums wethear he is being serious or not. I only agree with him because he believes feminist are hatfull and currupt, republicans are racist in discuise and political corectness is just more racism. The rest of his videos I disagree with. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

You can't selectively choose to agree with people. People's views stem from their ideology, so their views are always connected. You may agree with his views on feminism, but they stem from the same ideology that causes him to mock rape victims. David Duke agrees with me that the Patriot Act is a terrible piece of legislation. Can I say that I "somewhat support him"? No, because his views on government spying stem from a conspiracy theory rooted in racism. Mr. Anon (talk) 05:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

But I selectively choose to agree with people all the time. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

It is true; feminists often have rather spectacular hats. ±KnightOfTL;DR^{lavishly loquacious} 05:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

That is why they should call themselves equalist and not feminist because the word feminism means that they hate men. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

No! The people of Republic City will never submit to you and your Equalists, Amon! The Avatar will rise against you! ±KnightOfTL;DR^{just shut up already} 05:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The word feminism means they hate men? Just curious, are you 12? GodotWhen I graduated, Cognative Science of Religion didn't even exist! now it's everywhere 05:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I hope you are being sarcastic because Anti-Americanism could evolve into a genocide just to wipe out racism in the world. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Or we could just press B while it's evolving and cancel the evolution. ±KnightOfTL;DR^{more at 11} 05:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Then we should be resigned like how Alderaan was destroyed by the Death Star in which I like to call Euthanizing the Planet. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

How it was destroyed? You mean fictionally? ±KnightOfTL;DR^{longissimus non legeri} 05:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Hypothetically that would be the ideal to end our turmoil. the technology we have at the moment would be WWDs even though that wouldn't destroy theplanet itself even with all combined. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

It figures that your only ambition in this would would be to stop existing. ±KnightOfTL;DR^{longissimus non legeri} 05:46, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

That's what you suggested earlier. To the commeter who asked if I'm twelve, no I'm in my 20s I just see everything as black and white and I have been like that for as long as I can remember. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 05:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I suggested no such thing; you're the person crying about nonexistent death stars and other ridiculous things. I also sort of doubt you are in your 20s considering that my 14 year old sister has better spelling and grammar than you, and your ideas indicate that you have never set foot in any kind of history or social studies classroom above middle school level in your life, or if you did, you conveniently forgot everything and instead choose to cry instead about apocalypse scenarios that are far more entertaining to you than reality. And as for black and white, you should very well know exactly how incorrect black-and-white thinking is. People refer to it in casual conversation as a negative trait for a reason. Do you see people going around 'Wow! What an upstanding, knowledgable person; he thinks in black-and-white all-or-nothing terms!' No, they go, 'what an uneducated idiot, he is unable to comprehend the shades of gray and complexities of basic reasoning; it is a wonder he is able to actually comprehend the world he lives in.' And it's not without reason. ±KnightOfTL;DR^{sufficiently advanced argument still distinguishable from magic} 05:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Some people like to think inside the box. A very tiny box, filled with sexism and not a lot of brain cells. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 08:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Misogynists actually think outside the proverbial box; it is just that their out-of-box thinking wanders into areas that most of us disapprove of, as opposed to someone like, say, Einstein. ListenerX^TalkerX 08:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

What is this guy even talking about now? Mr. Anon (talk) 15:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Word Document reconises my spelling and grammer as correct. What is there like two or three words wrong and you play the grammer card on me? I believe feminism is like the diffrent denominations of Christianity. They change their practices when they disagree but they all believe the same thing (which Jesus was the son of God) and there fore they are considered the same thing and in the case of feminism they all believe all males are the oppressor even if we agree with them and turn a blind eye to violance against women. I just fell when they say their movement is recent they are making all of us the enemy and all it has achieved is promoting Double Standerds and increased the fear and hatred of both genders. Why do I think we should be resigned because if we can't inprove ourselves then life is meaningless. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Not all christian branches think of jesus as the son of god my annoying repetitive BON.--il'Dictator Mikal 08:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

As a raised Christian but later self proclaimed into my own religion I like to say if they don't all believe he was the son of god they wouldn't call themselves Christians but something else. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:38, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

As a raised Fundamentalist Chirstian, i can tell you thats wrong and I could have said "well if they don;t think hes the only way; how can they call themselves christian"--il'Dictator Mikal 08:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I am going to call you out on your spelling and grammar. Why? Because you claim to be in your 20s, yet you make mistakes that make you look very young. If you are lying about your age, it is very likely you haven't been to college or exposed to college-level sources and classes (if you so happen to just dislike academia, I suppose) that would actually tell you what feminism is, the history of feminism, and their actual ideology. As somebody who's taken many different Women's Studies courses, with friends in the field, activity in the community... what you describe as 'feminism' is not even remotely related to feminism. Yes, there are many different philosophies that fall under the feminism label, but you don't even get any of them right. Not a single one. You actually don't know what you're talking about, but you think you know what you're talking about. I don't know who told you your definition of feminism, but it's not correct... and if you demonstrated you are the correct age, with the correct level of reasoning for that age and at least cursory knowledge of the topic on which to base your opinions, I could take you seriously. But you haven't done any of those things. You rattle on like either a small child, or a 20 year old that never went to even high school, or a person homeschooled by those who didn't teach any kind of writing or even basic debate skills at all. None of which suggest your opinion is actually valid, especially when talking about a complex, multi-generational movement and divergent ideological field like feminism. So yes, I will criticize you. In order for people to respect your opinion, it doesn't have to be right. It's OK to be wrong; we all learn things every day, especially me. But you DO have to demonstrate that you at least know what you're talking about. This is like, for you, trying to participate in a politics debate but not even knowing what country the debate is about or the rules of said debate. And you're mad people are booing you offstage? ±KnightOfTL;DR^{garrulous en guerre} 11:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I would have you know I was a special education student in secondary schoole how constinatly wanted to commit suicide over the fact I could not do anything currectlly which traced its roots from 5th grade. I have been banned for reasearching anything about feminism at home because of Firewall being instulled at home so I'm useing a internet cafe at my nearist shoping centre. When ever I'm unsure to spell a word I go on word document and get it spellt currectlly. Have you been on pinegrove33, proudguy, manwomanmith and theignoredgender videos on Youtube they reveal the true colars of the movement. The only rason why some feminist classes have males in them is to tell them that they are the oppressor and they enforve violance against woman girls are praised if they abuse the boys and boys are punished if they abuse the girls. I know this from comments I have read both inside and outside of youtube. Feminist don't believe in equality anymore then the communist did because it failed misurably and it had become the female counterpart of the klan from day one. As I said before they need to call themselves equalist so tere not just about hatred, blame and hate crimes so both genders can work equally. --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

That's nice, but go away. --il'Dictator Mikal 08:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

"When ever I'm unsure to spell a word I go on word document and get it spellt currectlly": No you don't. rpeh •T•C•E• 08:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

It's called currecting your incapability. Its like If you don't know where your destination in the town is you look up the city map to find out where it is. I'm not speaking on behalf of the Men's rights activist I'm only addressing the movement's flaws like how Michael Moore addresses the flaws of the U.S.A from a third party perspective. You don't see the irony I'm trying to get out to but you probably will once feminism has become extreame enough beyond considering it to be feminism anymore which would probably be in the New 20s (2020s). --120.151.106.44 (talk) 08:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)