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Still hilarious though. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 01:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

You have awful taste in memes, Armond. I can do you one better. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
why is this i don't even EVDebs (talk) 02:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure it's been used in an anti-feminist way, but once you've seen them in action on the internet it becomes less an anti-feminist move and more a statement of fact. I do know one girl who got massively creeped out by someone doing it day-in-day-out for like a month. Of course, it shouldn't be abused as an excuse to dismiss just anyone coming to someone else's defence; as what I've been calling White-Knighting for a while now really crosses into stalking. Scarlet A.pngsshole 11:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I know one of those people too -- he's pretty much the dumbest person I've ever met. But it's a very common accusation by trolls that almost always translates to "you couldn't possibly be wanting to help her if you don't want to fuck her so go away while I put her in her place". It's more common on places like 4chan and Reddit, as well as occasionally on feminist blogs. (The article was actually inspired by the recent attacks on Laci Green for her video about the clitoris, and there were explicit accusations of whiteknighting against her defenders, even on her facebook page.) EVDebs (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

" is a term used largely by anti-feminists to describe the situation when a man comes to a woman's defense in a heckling situation."[edit]

Really? I had it all wrong. I had always understood that "whiteknighting" was a term used to describe a man trying to show what a "great guy" he was by coming to a woman's defence in order to advance his own agenda re: said woman, and that part of the scorn involved with the term was the inherent assumption that women need men to defend them. Update -- I see the article goes on to say just that; the difference is I thought that feminists used the term to call predatory men masking their actions as benevolent. Father Vivian O'Blivion (talk) 15:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Treating women decently is indeed a great way to get laid, or just generally get on good terms with women regardless of "benefits". This allegation of "white knighting" makes it seem that being respectful, honest and friendly towards women is bad. And that it's bad for a woman to like a gentleman who respects what she wants. The doublethink is strong with this term.62.159.14.9 (talk) 10:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it belongs in the article but...[edit]

I found this thread on TSR that I somehow simultaneously found amusing and bad for my will to live.TheSocktor (talk) 14:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Part of the reason I'm beginning to dislike cynicism. It leads to such jackassery. Nullahnung (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
You know what the worst part of it is? When you finally decide to convince the jackasses that they are wrong, then after varying amounts of conceding points to you they'll head straight into the backfire effect to save face for something so silly as not losing an argument on the internet, when the main issue is not the stupid internet argument you two were having, but the actual topic at hand. The best strategy is generally to say something sensible, then back off and hope they will come around to being a bit convinced by you after they are out of the influential range of the backfire effect. Nullahnung (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Erm... eww. Scarlet A.pngDon't click here 16:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Can we talk...[edit]

Section title added by me.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Can we talk about the frequency with which feminist critics of Sarkeesian, Watson, et al are frequently gaslit and disingenuosly portrayed as MRAs? Can we talk about how the less privileged the woman in question the more likely this is to happen?— Unsigned, by: 209.89.28.194 / talk / contribs 16:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Reference? --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Any reason this is on the talk page of this specific article?--ZooGuard (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Whiteknighting does actually exist[edit]

Yes, it's true that accusing men of being "white knights" when they are just being decent people happens plenty. On the other hand, I want to provide some anecdotal evidence that there are actual white knights out there, and that said white knights are just as sexist as the people who falsely accuse feminist men of being white knights.

1. Once as a teenager, I was playing MTG with a bunch of boys and one girl. The game began, and we went a few rounds with nobody doing anything to anyone else (as often happens when you're playing with a lot of people). Finally, one of the other boys gets sick of no action and attacks the girl. The girl responds as if this is totally normal, as a reasonable person would. But the boys are all like, "what the hell!" Immediately afterwards, all the other boys except for me attack him on their own turns. The boy who had attacked the girl says, "what was that about?" And one of the boys says, pridefully, "You don't go after the woman. If you go after the woman, all of the men are gonna come for you." This, understandably, made the girl really quiet. These guys were being actual white knights. (Granted, if that had happened on the internet, and I had said something like, "That's not cool, treating women like they can't hold their own, and also punishing this guy for playing a game the way it's supposed to be played is not cool either," maybe I would have been accused of being the white knight. Nonetheless, shame on me for not saying something IRL.)

2. I'm not sure that what's going on in this video whiteknighting, but it's still sexist BS not that different from what white knights pull:

What Would You Do? Bike Theft (White Guy, Black Guy, Pretty Girl) (YouTube/NSA warning)

Does anybody know the word for this shit? Rand0 (talk) 07:46, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Question[edit]

So when does 'acting with good intentions/supporting someone's viewpoint (because one actually agrees with them/because it is a Good Thing' etc)' end and 'Whiteknighting' begin - and does 'if it relates to me/positions I support the person is being benevolent, and if it relates to someone or positions I disagree with it is whiteknighting'?

One argument in favour of 'gender-free usenames.' Anna Livia (talk) 10:05, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

If 'the exchange' would sound exactly the same if the the white-knighter and the white-knightee were a different gender combination (m/m, f/m, f/f etc), and it does not sound like stalking/being possessive is it white-knighting? Anna Livia (talk) 17:14, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

The problem of incoherent connotations.[edit]

Here is an example of Humpty Dumptyism. Whiteknighting has several incoherent meanings. In this RW article,"a term used largely by anti-feminists to describe the situation when a man comes to a woman's defense in a heckling situation." In another feminist wiki, Geek Feminism Wiki: White Knighting is an attempt at being a feminist ally that assumes that men are better feminists than women are. The connotations are clearly in conflict, even among feminists. The most commonly understood definition of whiteknighting is derivative from the infinitive 'to white knight.'Ariel31459 (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I could've sworn that term was used as another way of accusing people of being on a moral high horse, a generic usage of perhaps what's listed here. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

KyleButler reregs and posts Troll[edit]

The real definition of white knighting is when atheist fedora neckbeards like you people defend feminists for sex.

I have a girlfriend and treat her right, and I don't need that feminist bullshit. Lol--KylerBollito (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)