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Does your username come from this organization by chance? Punky Your mental puke relief 03:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

'Fraid not. It was just a couple of childhood friends concatenated: Susan Roberts and Helen Garlick. I had a friend who went through all that though. 03:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Darn! I was hoping it was, because I am participating in a Susan G Komen for the Cure fundraiser, and that would've been kick ass. Gooniepunk2010 Oi! Oi! Oi! 03:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

For Susan[edit]

Hello Susan!

I noticed that you've written a section titled "For Earthland" in the Saloon Bar. Since you openly and specifically turned to me, I hope you don't mind that I'll actually answer you.

You didn't specify why should I read that article, however, it is quite obvious that you did it because of my known anti-abortion stance. So I assume that you wanted to say something like "Abortion should be permissible as long as the fetus is incapable of higher thought processes". Why shouldn't we be allowed to terminate life that can't feel pain and is not conscious and can't be even aware of his surroundings, right?

1. Why should the ability to feel pain have an impact on abortion debate? Painful death is certainly "more horrible" than painless one, but it doesn't change the act of killing someone - essentially. One can be harmed without experiencing the hurt that sometimes follows from that harm, and which we often mistake for the harm itself. For example, a temporarily comatose person who is suffocated to death might experience no pain, but he is nevertheless harmed. Similarly, a person under narcosis can't feel pain, but do you think that it should be allowed to kill everyone who are under narcosis? I think you and most people would answer "no", because the victim's inability to feel pain does not change the essential morality of killing another human being. One does not have to experience harm, which is sometimes manifested in hurt, in order to be truly harmed.

2. If sentience is the criterion of "full humanness", then the reversibly comatose, the momentarily unconscious, and the sleeping would all have to be declared nonpersons. Like the presentient unborn, these individuals are all at the moment nonsentient though they have the natural inherent capacity to be sentient. Yet to countenance their executions would be morally reprehensible. Therefore, one cannot countenance the execution of some unborn entities simply because they are not currently sentient.

Here must one make difference between words "passive" and "potential". Potential is something that exist in possibility. Passive is something that already exists, but that is not "present". A person under narcosis has the ability to feel the pain, but that ability is in a passive state. Being conscious belongs to human nature, and since the unborn is a human being, he possesses human nature. He is not "now and instantly" ready to talk and feel like mature human beings, because his body has not yet developed enough - but it has been directing the development of the brain all along, according to the instructions encoded in its DNA (and with modifying influences from the external environment). The "consciousness" or "ability to feel pain" is the inherent ability of every human being (including the zygotes), and even if it has not yet come to realization, the fact remains that it exist in their nature.

3. In the nineteenth century, there was a theory about recapitulation - the theory that successive stages of individual development correspond with ('recapitulate') successive adult ancestors in the line of evolutionary descent. It stemmed from the fact that in the early stages of development an animal does not look like the adult stages of that animal but resemble only the stages of previous ancestors. Even though this hypothesis was almost instantly discredited, it became popular during the sexual revolution when abortion needed an ideological justification. Even today, when it certainly has no place in evolutionary biology or embryology, some pro-choice articles are quite close to this theory. I hope this is not the case.

--Earthland (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

TL;DR. 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Oh fine. Maybe sometime, if it's very boring... --Earthland (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

RA's talk page[edit]

had you not got there first... ħumanUser talk:Human 08:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Must have been MC virus: computer totally locked up thereafter. 09:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast


If you're on Ubuntu and want to use Windows programs without rebooting, try Wine. It doesn't work with everything, but it does run Arachnophilia fine. You can install it from the Ubuntu Software Centre. MARCVS ANTONIVS 18:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Mm, yeah. Thanks. 23:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I like a nice merlot. Doesn't do jack for my computer, but I eventually stop caring. --Kels (talk) 23:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Internet police[edit]

Excuse me sir, but we have reason to believe you have been using the internet in breach of company policy...

I'm not sure what is on your user page, but my company's (sometimes overzealous) firewall doesn't like it! Bondurant (talk) 08:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Absofuckin'lutely nothing! Honest, guv! 13:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
The only possible things on there are the userbox (this user likes to play with her pussy) & the dctionary def of "nubile"
This user likes to play with her pussy.
( \ˈnü-ˌbī(-ə)l, ˈnyü-, -bəl\); adj;
  1. of marriageable condition or age
  2. sexually attractive —used of a young woman
Can't see anything else. 18:35, 17 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Probably some of the page & file titles in the "created section" - Anus, Big Bang, Clitoris, Red Shift, Pussy Porn, Hump, With a whip, etc. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 19:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The're not there; they are created "on the fly" by dpl: don't think a bot or whatever will detect them (?) 20:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Anything reading the rendered html will see them, and that's what a bot would do. The bot isn't editing the page, it is looking at the version served up to users. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
So, the bot uses a Web browser? I thought it'd just read the HTML on the page. 12:01, 18 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Cat Pledge[edit]

Pure class. Jack Hughes (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I (as Toast) made it over a year ago & I just found it while searching for an reason for my page being a blockable offence (see section above) 18:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

What I was hoping was....[edit]

...To come here and mess up a fresh new page after your archiving. I find though that you didn't actually archive everything so now I feel foolish and am reaching for my wine glass in order to drown my shame. Acei9 10:37, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thought this might interest you[edit]

Given your (and my) interest in the much need reforms to libel laws. The Icelandic governemnt are hoping to create a "haven" for investigative journalism, and are explicitly saying that they will not enforce rulings from foreign (ie Judge Eady's) courts that attempt to censor such work. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 21:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Mmmmm interesting. Wikileaks involved, I see. 21:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast


So how should I write that Darwin is the most awesome scientist/theorist of all time?— Unsigned, by: TeabagTore / talk / contribs

Just write: "Darwin was/is the most awesome scientist/theorist of all time". It'll probably get reverted or at least amended instantly though. 00:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Hearing and stuff[edit]

Has your hearing returned to normal? ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 15:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

No! Not a bit of it! I'm told it will but all I've got now is a sort of tinnitus very high pitched whistle. The cat knows he's got to actually paw me to get attention. I sometimes see him opening & closing his mouth and then SWMBO comes in to the room to feed him. I'm getting up to speed on lip-reading but the doc (next visit Tuesday) says I should get something back in about another month. Had a head scan week before last - I'm OK every other way. Thanks for the interest. - it's surprising how much difference it does and doesn't make - traffic's nasty - crossing the road is a hazard but reading & writing is much easier. SusanG Toast 15:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Heh heh, I like the example of a cat learning the best way to get attention. It suppose it'll be an interesting experience to have gone through. Maybe worth an essay? I'm interested in how people adapt to changed circumstances, and the way people around them do the same. Well, in a month it'll be time to dig out the music. I recommend Stone Roses and older Rolling Stones. If doing doing an essay it may be worth writing something now, and even if not published immediately, keep it as a record. Also, are you able to hear your own voice? If not it may be fun to make some recordings for comparison. ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 15:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Own voice: no - I'm always being told to speak up! I'm scared of accidentally shouting & overcompensate. There's not much adaptation going on: with the promise of it being non-permanent I've not done much about it. The thing I miss most is the Radio, but I've re-read or am in the process of re-reading every book I've got. Subtitles on t'telly aren't bad but you miss the sound FX & audience reaction etc. 15:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Probably a good time to catch-up on old Hong Kong movies. It's a shame though to miss the odd chicago gangster accents that the bad guys always seemed to have. ConcernedResident omg ponies!!! 16:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Susan G. Komen for the cure?[edit]

Are you the lady that collects money to cure cancer? — Unsigned, by: Conservapede / talk / contribs

No 19:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
you're too homosexual for that, lol.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
Who the fuck ends a line with "lol" nowadays except "with it" grannies who think it's "cool"? 19:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
It's like, "i'm a moron who's going to insult you. 'you dumb whore. lol.' the lol means it's okay, right? lol Quaru (talk) 20:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


Who did you piss off today? I open up the RC page and what do I see? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 21:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Perhaps oversight this? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 21:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I caught him first & he took umbrage. Re: oversight no - think it's just a random number - he used two different ones. Better to just ignore it. 21:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast


My computer tells me I've only 37Kb of space left: IT'S A 500Gig DRIVE! What to do? (Ubuntu/Windoze) 19:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Is it legitimately full or is something amiss? — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 19:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Er, too many photos?  Lily Inspirate me. 19:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
EC) Narr: There's TONS of room. It;s probably quite simple but I'ze a non linux speaker and don't know what I'm doing. 19:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I was going to be a cocky sonofabitch and link to "Help!" by Beatles on YouTube but realised in your temporarily deafened state this would not have the desired effect of you thinking, "Oh, Josh, that li'l rascal!" I apologise.
Also, I recommend an external hard drive. SJ Debaser 19:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
There's a really nifty program for this situation on Linux: Disk Usage Analyser (in Accessories in Applications). Click the "Scan Filesystem" button, and it'll spend a while working out where your space is going. It will then display a nice pie chart of the disc usage, which you can use to assassinate whatever the space-hog is. Harmonic cubic Hoover! 19:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
EC) Yeah I thought of a HD but the drive's NOT FULL! There's 400+ Gig "unused", Post EC)There isn't a space hog - it's all there & visible: just can't use it! 19:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Clearly you have multiple partitions, of which one is full. Start by figuring out which one. Issuing the command "df" on the command line should help with this. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Screenshot--dev-sda - GParted.png
SusanG Toast 20:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/loop0            16876388  15794088    225008  99% /
none                   1924080       312   1923768   1% /dev
none                   1928436      1280   1927156   1% /dev/shm
none                   1928436        88   1928348   1% /var/run
none                   1928436         0   1928436   0% /var/lock
none                   1928436         0   1928436   0% /lib/init/rw
/dev/sda2            244193276  47839924 196353352  20% /host
none                  16876388  15794088    225008  99% /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs
20:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

You don't have a dedicated Linux partition. The files in your Linux root directory actually reside in a single file on one of your Windows partitions. Apparently the size of that file is limited, and you have reached that limit. I have no experience with this particular setup, hence I can't tell you how to increase the size of that file. Alternatively you could mount one of the Windows partitions from Linux and use it directly (NTFS read/write support has been available for Linux for some time now). --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, Vienna!! And in English? 20:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Susan, did you install Ubuntu by putting the install disc in and running it from the Windows desktop? Harmonic cubic Hoover! 20:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, a cursory look at that partition table suggests that you have lots of space in /host, so try putting some files there. Harmonic cubic Hoover! 20:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Re: Windows: no, I ran the disc from switch on. I've only opened Windows once (by accident on boot up) I think I'll see my local Linux group - even though the leader's a VICAR he's not bad. 20:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
The size of the partition for linux was probably determined reluctantly (taking as little space as possible). I haven't resized a partition in a while, and I don't have the time at the moment to relearn, but I will gladly point you here. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks: I'll get back to ou. 20:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
That's no use, because there is no Linux partition (see above)! You can find some info how to resize your file system here — use at your own risk. Or do as Mr. Hoover suggests: you should have a directory called "host" at the top level. If you can write to it, move some of your bigger files there. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Would it be reasonable/practicable to download everything onto an external HD & then reinstall Ubuntu without Windows? Or is that just silly? 20:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
If you don't want/need Windows at all, then that's probably the best way to use all the space your disk has to offer. --Alienfromspace (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
A quick and dirty solution is to do the following commands:
sudo mkdir /host/files/
sudo chown `id -un`:`id -gn` /host/files
This should create a directory belonging to you in /host/files, and you can move your files there. Harmonic cubic Hoover! 20:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Alien was right. I wasn't paying attention and didn't notice you're on a loop mount. PH's solution should work, but I'd save yourself future trouble and get windows the hell out of there. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 20:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone: I'll do PH's thing & then probably tr to ditch Windows entirely. If ou don't hear from me I've gone SPLA!!! 20:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Just a note here that if you ever plan on selling that computer, and you don't have an installation disk, you might want to backup your evil Windows partition before deleting it forever. ~ That blind moron (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Weirdly, Ubuntu doesn't seem to have made itself a partition when it installed, since there isn't an ext partition in sight. Harmonic cubic Hoover! 20:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Considering that she said she "ran the disc from switch on", that's a little strange. I didn't know not creating a partition was an option from booting to the disc. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I wonder what's going on with that loop device. Susan, can you try sudo losetup /dev/loop0 to sate my curiosity? Harmonic cubic Hoover! 21:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
/dev/loop0: [0802]:109492 (/host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk) 21:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Wait, what's in /host? Harmonic cubic Hoover! 21:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
/host is her windows file system — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I should have realised that. OK, Susan, if you aren't already doing so, reinstall. Harmonic cubic Hoover! 21:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


I know: I'm a pain who shouldn't be allowed near a computer!

Got a nice new printer Epson stylus Photo P50. Can't find an Ubuntu driver Windoze & Mac on disc but no linux anwhere as far as I've looked. HALP! 12:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Getting printer drivers for linux is a pain in the arse. Do they have drivers for a similar printer, that usually works? - π 12:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Are you able to return it? As a rule, the best manufacturer for Linux compatible printers is HP. Xerox are ok as well, I think, but avoid Lexmark and most others before checking online for compatibility. Bondurant (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
In general, always look on the manufacturers site before buying. They will have drivers there, if they have them. Try this? Quaru (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
EC) It works on my desk-top machine! It apparently thinks it's an Epson R200 (My old printer which was demolished by the cat jumping on to the output tray and causing mayhem). I love the print quality and it prints directly on CDs. It was reasonably priced & I've got a load (about 6 of each of 6 colours) of inks (that's about £100) already. I've spoke with our local linux group & the might have it sorted. Anyhow - no botheration for now. 15:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
But I already found another option... CUPS driver I've used Linux for over 10 years. So if you ever have trouble with something, feel free to ask. In most cases, I'll know it off the top of my head, or know exactly where to go to find out. As a side note, if you use KDE instead of GNOME, I'm in your computer, giving you directions. Quaru (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Right, taking you at your word, what does: 1.0.0 (RPM for LSB 3.2), 1.0.0 (DEB for LSB 3.2), x86 64 bit: 1.0.0 (RPM for LSB 3.2), 1.0.0 (DEB for LSB 3.2)(How to install) mean? - which should I pick? (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS). 16:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I don't know if you installed 64-bit or 32-bit. But you want "DEB for LSB 3.2" of whichever you installed. Also, the "How to install" may help. Quaru (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Cheers; Tea summons. 16:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Sorted: Went out this AM leaving computer on downloading updates. Came back to find that there was a new driver installed for the P50. No Idea why or where it came from but it works a treat. Thanks, everyone. 17:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Not you[edit]

I cam across the Biblical America Resistance Front (BARF!) website and noticed SusanG in the Gerald Ford article. I'm pretty sure that it's not you.  Lily Inspirate me. 19:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Narr, She's on the Daily Kos and quite well known. I'd never heard of her when I picked this nom de web. 19:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Thank you[edit] (talk) 16:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Welcome. Why you not log in - we all (well most of us) know who you are. 16:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Because I am not. (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I am a nice person[edit]

So please change my user name back. I need that. --Idiot number 57 (talk) 14:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

No. 14:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I like the way you use so few words to say everything. --Idiot number 57 (talk) 14:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
! 14:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
What about changin this username? --Idiot number 59 (talk) 14:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Why? Doesn't it describe you? 14:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I feel our relationship is getting hotter minute by minute... --Idiot number 59 (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Now you can't deny that. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Susan[edit]

As I said I'm not really wikified so am not sure about all this capture stuff.

I was hoping you, or someone else, would be here to correct it for me :-).— Unsigned, by: Oldusgitus / talk / contribs

Welcome: (you forgotted to sign agin! - naughty!) 17:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Please be nice to me from now on[edit]

I believe my only crime was to make argument that consensus could be measured better. Free open discussion, I am for. Π said I continued arguing for an unpopular community standard, but can't anywho don't want it, just skip entering my userspaces and reading?!?!? You treat me like the slimy rodent with buck teeth! I make my userspaces are for rational activities. Please bring praise or instructive criticisms. I make sense and wish you no discomfort. ~ Hoechemin 22:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Go away! 22:12, 5 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
"Please be nice to me from now on." why not earn it by being fun and productive instead of a self-obsessed boring pedantic troll? Susan is not the problem here. P-Foster (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
This is a myth you are building. I don't understand why I am any problem at all. You label me troll for maybe being "self-obsessed" and debating an few issues. Why take it so personal? ~ Hoechemin 23:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Go away! 23:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

"Susan" sounds very old-fashioned[edit]

Like, this name was popular when... in the 19th century? Nowadays people name only their slippers Susan. Oh well, some old creepy conservative women (like female rednecks, those who are milking cows all day and secretly masturbate while fantasizing about GW Bush) also have that name, but you aren't one of them, are you?

Why don't you choose some of those cool names that immediately makes people imagine about beauty: Cheryl, Emma, Paris... but not Sarah. Definitely not Sarah. Sarah is even worse than Susan. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Because Susan is Susan is Susan. I'm told that when Jimi Hendrix wrote Foxy Lady he was actually going to call it Foxy Susan because he had a vision of a mystical network of nonreligious folk, the saucy one being a lady called Susan. However, as he'd had four hits of acid at the time, he forgot her name and subsequently went with just "Lady."
Also dear Susan, you'll be happy to know the World Cup is now over. However, the English football league is about four weeks away from starting again, so you've that to look forward to. SJ Debaser 21:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Your'e pants[edit]

That may be a typo (your pants?) but what make/type were your sooper dooper walking trews?  Lily Inspirate me. 17:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Regatta, in fact: these Fortunately I spotted the deficiency before altering the bottom hems. 17:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
(The were on reduced price - £16.99/pair when buying two pairs) 17:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

You don't talk to me lately, honey[edit]

What's wrong? --Idiot number 59 (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

??????? --Idiot number 59 (talk) 11:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I mean like, you don't have to worry just because I am more perfecterer than you. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Is this you?[edit]

I googled 66 years old women called SusanG and I found this. Oh baby, I always knew you would look younger than most other of your age. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 18:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

How's my favorite girl doing?[edit]

I don't know who the fuck filmed me when I was singing, but I thought that since it's already online and it was meant to you, after all, I'll just show it to you:

--Idiot number 59 (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


Any doctor that would favor socialist medicine or vandalize Conservapedia as PalMD does is a quack. So yes, I do have something against PalMD. — Unsigned, by: CRMC Boss / talk / contribs

WTF's a "Hospitalist" anyhow? 14:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Well, if showing Schlafly some papers that don't show a link between abortion and breast cancer, and then being kicked off the site permanently for disagreeing with the Glorious Leader, counts as vandalism, then I'm sure PalMD will rightfully wear such scorn with pride. Scarlet A.pngbomination 15:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


My router's gone splaaaaaa. How I ever managed on a phone defeats me. 02:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Those days were amazing, wot? I still can't believe you wrote most of our help pages on a handheld device. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Fuck! fuck! fuck! Turns out it's Bfuckin'T not the router. (only found out 'cause the phone's out too - after buying new router!!!!!) 15:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast




Thank you for supporting the Protest the Pope Campaign

With less than a month to go before the Pope arrives in Britain, it's becoming clear that the Catholic Church is having difficulty filling all the places for its papal events: thousands of tickets for major events during Pope Benedict’s visit are being returned to organisers because dioceses have not found enough people to take up their allocation.
This is no surprise: the latest decisions from Ratzinger and the Vatican continue to be a slap in the face of women, of sex abuse survivors and of the human rights that all the British support.
The refusal last week of Pope Benedict XVI to accept the resignations of Dublin auxiliary bishops involved in the cover-ups of paedophile clerics confirms questions about accountability in the Church.
The recent directive by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, that treats the ordination of women as among the most serious of sins, alongside paedophilia within the Church, could hardly be more offensive to women. Pope Benedict is out of step with the majority of British people, including most Catholics. Including Catholic priests.
Yet this Campaign has been accused of being anti-Catholic, some kind of off-shoot of the Orange order. This simply isn't true.
The Protest the Pope campaign exists because a large number of people in the UK are against the state visit. People are angry that their money is being spent honouring someone who has made unfounded and often outrageous comments about the rights of others. This does not mean that such people are anti-Catholic or intolerant, make threats on Catholic people or question the right of individuals to believe and practice whatever religion they want. What it means is that the UK government should not be welcoming the pope on a state visit. Given the severity of the effect of the pope’s words and actions, such an honour makes a mockery of the liberal democratic UK society that we have built together, religious and non-religious alike.

Protest the Pope! Be there!
Join the big march through London to oppose the state visit of Joseph Ratzinger to the UK!
Saturday 18th September
Assemble at the top of Piccadilly (Hyde Park Corner) from 1pm
March from 2.30 pm to 3.30pm through central London
Rally opposite Downing Street from 3.30pm to 5pm

10:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

You must be the daughter of Satan. According to your liberal-materialistic positivism rights actually don't even exists anyway. Remember, everything is always relative and subjective, you can't back off from that dogma. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 10:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Btw, how exactly has Vatican been a slap in the face of sex abuse survivors and of the human rights? --Idiot number 59 (talk) 10:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Fuck off. 13:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

More PTP[edit]

Email 27 8 10

Many years ago, when visiting one of my children who was in hospital, I got into a lift, and was joined by a man in a dressing gown, clearly he was a patient. It was in the days when kidney transplants were in their infancy, so new that one only read about them in the newspaper. The man and I got chatting, and he told me he had just had a kidney transplant. I was in awe of him, knowing the magnitude of what he had endured and was recovering from, and terrified to go too near him in case I knocked him, scared of the lift jerking and jolting him, worried in case it got too crowded and he got hurt. In that moment I had a real sense of the fragility of his life, and how precious it was. That knowlege has stayed with me, often resurfacing when I have dealt with a patient who was very ill, or indeed tried to help an addict who is on a knife edge. Since then I have become aware of a lot of people who are equally “fragile” who need not to be knocked or jolted, who need to be held and cherished, whose fragility needs to be recognised and considered with the same awe that I had for that kidney patient.
Nowhere is that more necessary than with the survivors of childhood sexual abuse by the clergy. Whose fragility comes from the worst betrayal of body and trust, whose lives have been shattered and who have had to remain silent in case they are damaged further. I am one of those people. The Churches responsible need to show the same level of awe at the tenacity of our survival, stand alongside us and show a resolve to make amends for lives distorted by the sordid greedy individuals who have left us so damaged and “homeless”
Leave behind all thoughts of ‘fighting’ cases against them, stand and be counted and show the altruism and compassion that the God they talk effusively about would expect. Not only talk a good talk but start to walk alongside us and help us heal. And feel the privelege of it all, the greatest pleasure that one feels when being instrumental in the recovery of another human being whose experiences have been unbearable. Many people are standing alongside me, my wonderful family, and the others that helped me survive, mostly ex drunks and junkies, who have more compassion and spirituality in their little fingers than most of the established religions put together.
Sue Cox Bsc.Lic AC.M.B.AC.C.
Sue Cox was raped by a Catholic priest when she was a child. She received a lifetime achievement award this year for her contribution to the treatment of addiction, and used that occasion to highlight her background and the Church’s appalling attitude. After fifty years of fear, she has found the courage to face the Church, the Archbishop and their empty obsequious apologies. Sue has asked Archbishop Nichols to be one of the abuse victims who will meet the Pope.... but no response has been sent until now. Sue Cox will talk in Conway Hall on Tuesday 14th September at 7.30 pm, introducing the movie “Deliver Us From Evil” the story of Father Oliver O’Grady, a paedophile priest who was moved by the Catholic Church from parish to parish in the US, permitting him to continue his campaign of rape and exploitation in new settings, see more details below.

London Debate on Pope's State Visit
Wednesday 1st September at 7pm

Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL

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Email 31 Aug '10:


London Debate on Pope's State Visit to Britain Public meeting

Wednesday 1st September at 7pm Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL Nearest tube Holborn All welcome, free admission

Chaired by Polly Toynbee

Motion for debate: “The Papal Visit should not be a State Visit”

Speaking for the motion
Philosopher AC Grayling and human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell
Speaking against the motion
Catholic journalist Austen Ivereigh and Father Christopher Jamison of the BBC TV series, The Monastery

Speaking in advance of the debate, Peter Tatchell said:

“As democrats, we believe the Pope has every right to visit Britain and express his opinions. But we also have a right to protest against his often harsh, extreme views. We have a right to say that he is not welcome.

“The Protest the Pope campaign is calling on the British government to disassociate itself from the Pope’s intolerant teachings on issues such as women’s rights, contraception, gay equality and the use of condoms to prevent the spread of HIV. On these and many other issues, Benedict is out of step with the majority of British people, including most Catholics.

“It is hypocritical for him to attack Britain’s equality laws, while happily accepting hospitality and funding from the British people and government.

“We also object to a large part of his visit being funded by the taxpayer. Much of his itinerary involves religious events. It is not appropriate that these are paid for by the public. We don’t fund visits by the Grand Mufti of Mecca or the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, so why should the Pope get privileged financial support?”

queried Mr Tatchell.

The debate is being organised by the Central London Humanist Group in partnership with the British Humanist Association and the South Place Ethical Society, as part of the Protest the Pope Campaign.

Alan Palmer, chair of the Central London Humanists said:

“Our criticism of this State visit is not an attack on Catholics or on the rights of people to follow their religion. We want to give people the opportunity to debate the issue. Clearly many of our supporters are very unhappy with some of the statements made by the Pope in the name of the Catholic Church. This adds to the dismay many feel at our government honouring a Pope whose pronouncements fly in the face of the human rights that we support. Of course there is also considerable disquiet about the way the Church and this Pope have handled the question of child abuse .

Central London Humanists champion the idea of an open society and freedom of speech. We genuinely want also to hear the arguments in favour of the State visit. We welcome everyone whatever their political conviction or their religion or belief to explore the issues and participate in the debate.”

The debate will take place at Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL on Wednesday 1 September 2010 starting at 7pm. This is a free event.

Further information:

Peter Tatchell, Human Rights Campaigner - XXXX XXX XXXX

Alan Palmer, Chairman, Central London Humanist Group – XXXXX XXXXXX

Marco Tranchino, Coordinator, Protest the Pope Campaign –

Andrew Copson, Chief Executive, British Humanist Association – XXXXX XXXXXX

Pepper Harow, Campaigns Officer, British Humanist Association – XXXXXXXXXX

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Hi, Susan. How are you doing? (Just thought that I'd try and brighten up your talk page. Ignore those bridge lurkers.)  Lily Inspirate me. 13:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up about Thanatos's horrible situation. I've been e-mailing him back and forth, and have (I least I hope) been helping guide him through the coping that needs to take place. Terrible situation, really. I hate to see someone else have to go through that sort of hell. The Spikey Punk I'm punking my punk! 06:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)