Category talk:Tenets of Fascism

@Jakester499 what’s the point of this category? I don’t think we need a category for everything that a fascist believed in at some point, which seems to be your criteria for adding this to a page.

I won’t to delete it without discussion, but I’ll probably nominate it for deletion at some point. Christopher (talk) 19:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there's any hope for this category. GeeJayK (talk) 19:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps it's not such a bad idea since the concept of fascism is somewhat fluid and hard to define — it helps to put some boundaries on it. Bongolian (talk) 19:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I’d argue that’s why it’s a bad idea. Look at all the articles in it at the moment, antiziganism is not a tenet of fascism just because the Nazis supported it, and Mussolini (although he was of course a racist) rejected racialism, as do a lot of fascists that don’t bother pretending to support science. Christopher (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

The Usatse and the Legionaires supported anti ziganism--Jakester499 (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Many of the pages that are being added in this category aren't tenets in my opinion. They're just totalitarian methods, and methods aren't tenets by a dictionary definition. GeeJayK (talk) 19:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Jakester499 this is getting ridiculous. Are you going to add this category to every page on the wiki? I’d delete this right now if @Bongolian hadn’t stood up for it. Christopher (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Jakester499 is going overboard with that. He needs to cut back. If the category is kept, it should be restricted to ideologies, and there should be more text on the Category page explaining what does and not belong here. Bongolian (talk) 20:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Mussolini & Franco embraced racialism

While widespread racialism and antisemitism wasn’t practiced on an official level until 1938, Mussolini repeatedly referred to racialist ideas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism_and_racism ^{— Unsigned, by: Jakester499 / talk / contribs}

I don’t see a single mention of racialism in the linked article, but that’s not the point. Why does this category exist? Christopher (talk) 20:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

To identify the tenets of fascism--Jakester499 (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I’m too much of a pacifist to do anything and I’m afraid of confrontation so I’m leaving this category up to the mobocracy.--Jakester499 (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I’m no longer going to be editing this category unless given permission otherwise

Don’t like confrontation, can’t defend opinions that well. I recall Mussolini referring to the Italians as the aryan race but that was from a Wikipedia article. Without a doubt before 1938 Mussolini was racist, a good example of this is the Libyan Pacification and the Italian-Abyssinian War. Racialism is little more than a thinly veiled pseudoscience used to justify already existing racial prejudices and bigotry. The category was meant to be totally all encompassing, and much more than a generalized layout by also explaining the logical fallacies, cognitive biases, and psychological/psychodynamic mechanisms behind fascist ideology. However if the mobocracy does not like this category I will proudly hand all control of this category over to the mobocracy so that they can come up with a more streamlined category. If the sysops admins think I could contribute more and give me permission then I will but I don’t have enough faith in my own skill to effectively manage this category. --Jakester499 (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Move:Move this Category from Tenets of Fascism to Tenets and Methods of Fascism

Just what it says on the tin. That way it’s more specific and more clear what this category encompasses--Jakester499 (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC) First I need permission from the mobocracy, because of my aforementioned promise. Please respond as soon as possible. Love, --Jakester499 (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Other things to do with category

We could divide into “Argumentation Styles of Fascist/Authoritarian/Totalitarian thinking, I can’t think of anything else mind is completely blank but you get the idea--Jakester499 (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

This is a bad category

None of the articles that this category was previously added to are exclusive to fascism. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

But is the category even meant to be a list of components exclusive to fascism? I mean, an authoritarian regime isn't unique to fascism but it's still a defining component of it. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Reviving talk in order to make a clearer definition of fascism

As mentioned above, but this time as streamlined as possible. What you think siblings? Also part of the reason was to make a checklist but I’ll just use sandbox or essay space for that. The pastaboo remark is about me or anyone being immune to propaganda. I to make sure I haven’t become my own worst enemy. Need to plan out edits and contributions as much as possible.--Jakester499 (talk) (contributions) 21:06, 4 May 2023 (UTC)