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1. I think the very concept that the more libertarian elements of leftism are equivalent to the right and/or are "insane" is a false equivocation at best. — Oxyaena ^Harass 13:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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1. I'm not convinced by this rationale. I don't think it is being implied that the more libertarian elements of leftism are equivalent to the right and/or are "insane"; rather, the category is simply a useful tool for navigating the insanity specific to - or originating from - different parts of the political map. "Libertarian moonbattery" for instance encompasses crazy ideas that happen to be on the libertarian/left side, but does not in any way mean that everything on that side of politics is crazy (compare the "Left of reason" category.) The more sensible ideas on the libertarian left, by definition, do not qualify as moonbattery and would therefore be outside the scope of the category. –Yisfidri (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   What would you call "sensible"? Anything that upholds capital? My rationale is that it's extremely arbitrary what is considered "insane" and "not insane." — Oxyaena ^Harass 15:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

2. I don't really think Oxy's point has much, if anything, to do with the category, and I don't think it really implies some sort of equivalence. I do not think we ought to split up or delete a perfectly reasonable category.Summa Atheologica (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   First off it uses ableist rhetoric, second off the category is written from a centrist perspective, which is hardly fair. Outright dismissing something like anarchism as being crazy is just peak centrist bullshit. — Oxyaena ^Harass 16:02, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   The centrist bias can be erased, and I do not see any ableism. It goes without saying that centrist positions are nearer the mean and therefore automatically considered as generally more sane. Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   It equivocates some radical ideologies with mental illness, I think that's ableist and bad form. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   In cases where this "mental illness" is contagious, like in politics or in religion, it has little or nothing to do with brain development and hence cannot really be called ableist.Summa Atheologica (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

3. I think Oxy is missing the point of these categories. The point is not to blanketly label certain ideologies as bad. The point is to identify which part of the political spectrum certain crazy people or ideas come from. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 16:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   Oh, my bad then. Sorry for causing a ruckus, I`m in a bit of an irritable mood anyways. — Oxyaena ^Harass 16:18, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

   Ah, it happens to me too. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 16:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

4. This is a container category for the other "moonbattery" and "wingnuttery" categories. There's another debate to be had about the usefulness of these categories, but this isn't the place. Cosmikdebris (talk) 17:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)