RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive63

Dox fest in the saloon bar

Since when is it okay for people to dox IP addresses and speculate about some's location (claiming I am from Pensacola)? And yes, this is who you think it is, but I don't live in Pensacola. Flying Feathers (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Btw, I live in Chicago, not Florida. It's still creepy to see you speculate though. Flying Feathers (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

For the record, I'm the one who was primarily speculating about your location, not Christopher. Additionally, your IP address's location is easily retrieved, and the correct city is rarely revealed. You should have considered that checkuser is available to wiki moderators before harassing users multiple times, and since the IP address's location is super easy to get, I hardly think this breaks the rules or qualifies as doxxing. I will admit that speculating about somebody's location based on their IP address isn't very polite, but neither is making usernames that encourage the genocide of a large group of people. It's also creepy for J.Zoia to have to look at messages encouraging the genocide of a group that she's part of, assuming she's not a troll as well. Spriggina (puhua) (maksut) @ 22:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Flying Feathers: Seriously? You post pedophilic comments on our wiki and troll us. Now you're asking for our sympathy?—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 22:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The information that was given in the Saloon Bar is not even close to personally identifying. "An IP, that traces to Florida, traces to Florida!" Ah okay, now I know everything about you. Nobody even mentioned a name, just "the same troll". —Kazitor, ^pending 22:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Sympathy no, rules to be followed yes. Checkuser isn't supposed to exist here, and cellular networks in the US (except Sprint, for some reason) don't accurately geolocate. Flying Feathers (talk) 22:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

And checkuser doesn't exist. And if you are already aware that cellular networks can't geolocate accurately, why the hell are you concerned that we would find out where you live? You are literally telling us far more than anyone ever said in the Saloon bar. It's not doxxing if you tell us yourself. —Kazitor, ^pending 22:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

If you don't believe me about checkuser, you can browse Special:ListGroupRights to your heart's content. I'd also like to point out that nobody has even stated what the IP in question is. A city (which you revealed to be wrong) is hardly personally identifying information. —Kazitor, ^pending 22:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Btw, I've been told on this wiki that posting WHOIS info for a BoN is doxxing. I disagree with that, but hey, that's been the standard here for a while. Flying Feathers (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Evidence? EDIT: Nevermind The troll got blocked. Shall we archive this Coop case? Comrade GC (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Probably. I'm just responding because it amuses me. —Kazitor, ^pending 22:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

If checkuser doesn't exist, how did you get my IP? I don't care about the t mobile dox, I would care if my school ip shows up at the bar though. California Firefighter (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I would like to know this as well. I was under the impression that checkuser was enabled, just very rarely used for cases like this where a person creates tons of accounts that are doing something really bad like doxxing or harassing another user. Christopher was the one who blocked your IP, if I'm not mistaken. Nobody knows your school address given that you're apparently in Chicago and the one I was checking the location of, as well as the only one available afaik, was geolocating to around Hollywood, Florida. Spriggina (puhua) (maksut) @ 22:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

'twas me who blocked, it said the IP in the abuse log. —Kazitor, ^pending 22:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, that makes sense. Regardless of the existence of checkuser, my point still stands -- mods (and sysops?) can still access the IPs of awful trolls, and this one didn't even trace to the right location, so I don't see the point in raising a coop case and doxxing yourself over it. Spriggina (puhua) (maksut) @ 22:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Witt's abuses of power.

As the recent tantrum he threw demonstrates Dr. Witt should not have Sysop privileges, as thus I move that he have his Privileges revoked for blatant abuse of power.^{— Unsigned, by: GrammarCommie / talk / contribs}

I left you a comment on your user talk and on the Egyptsearch talk to stop edit warring. Instead you continued to revert me 10 times. Who really is abusing their sysop powers here? You also have zero article creations and no constructive edits to this wiki.Dr. Witt (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

For those who missed out:

• GrammarCommie and Dr. Witt were having an edit war on the Egyptsearch article: [1]
• Dr. Witt removed GrammarCommie sysop and autopatrolled status: [2]
• Dr. Witt banned GrammarCommie for 3.6 days: [3]
• I generously undid Dr. Witt's ban and user rights changes for GrammarCommie.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 19:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

First point it was four times as seen here [4], here [5], here [6], and here [7]. secondly I defended my reverts on the aforementioned talk page here [8]. third off users are not required to create new articles. Comrade GC (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

More to the point what gives you the right to bypass the system in play for de-sysoping someone and arbitrarily blocking them with the rather weak accusation of trolling? Comrade GC (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

GrammarCommie has zero article creations and is not a constructive editor. He's received [User_talk:GrammarCommie multiple complaints] on his user talk for wrongly reverting people and decided to revert me like 10 times on the Egyptsearch article and its talk page. He continued to revert me after I left him a comment on his talk and on the Egyptsearch talk. This guy is clearly a troll; I don't see him adding anything of value to this site and he more or less admitted he's a troll who is only here to "correct grammar" despite the fact he makes spelling mistakes. An idiot for sure. He needs to be desysopped at least.Dr. Witt (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Actually it was only four times. as for your other claims I'm going to need you to cite some evidence for those. Comrade GC (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

4 reverts on the main article, but 6 where I was removing edits that contain doxes, and you reverted those, see the deletion log:

18:48, 8 January 2018 GrammarCommie (talk contribs block) changed visibility of 17 revisions on page Talk:Egyptsearch: content unhidden, edit summary unhidden and username unhidden (change visibility) 18:47, 8 January 2018 GrammarCommie (talk contribs block) changed visibility of 72 revisions on page Egyptsearch: (The reasion for hiding these changes is bullcrap.) (change visibility) 18:46, 8 January 2018 GrammarCommie (talk contribs block) changed visibility of a revision on page Egyptsearch: content unhidden, edit summary unhidden and username unhidden (diff change visibility) 18:46, 8 January 2018 GrammarCommie (talk contribs block) changed visibility of a revision on page Egyptsearch: content unhidden, edit summary unhidden and username unhidden (diff change visibility) 18:44, 8 January 2018 GrammarCommie (talk contribs block) changed visibility of a revision on page Egyptsearch: content unhidden, edit summary unhidden and username unhidden (diff change visibility)

Dr. Witt (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I went through them and found them to lack the required material for the claim of doxxing to stick, and as thus made them visible again. I also consider the deletion log separate from the main article. Comrade GC (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth which is why I'm bringing this matter to the coop after Witt did not. Comrade GC (talk) 19:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Promotion should be done through the coop or by a moderator for the sake of immediately stopping disruptive conduct. I say we give Witt and GC warnings and tell them to stop. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Here here.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 19:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, Witt has some brass f@@@ing balls to call GC a "troll" and "vandal." Please read the RationalWiki Help pages, @Dr. Witt, on what we try to aim for in our articles. Let's archive this. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy mod resolution

* dons Mod Hat * 

Before this spirals into a huge drama:

Actions taken:

• I promoted @Dr. Witt from sysop for removing another user's sysop rights over an edit war. Whenever anybody feels he deserves it again, they can give it back.
• I warned @GrammarCommie to stop edit warring. If he edit wars again, anybody is authorized to temporarily remove their sysop rights.

Messages to people involved:

• Dr. Witt: If another user edit wars, try to take it to the talkpage. If they don't, get a moderator to lock the page for a while.
• GrammarCommie: Please stop edit warring. If another user repeatedly reverts your edits, try to take it to the talkpage. If they don't, get a moderator to lock the page for a while.

Play nice, everyone. oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 19:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

GrammarCommie has no article creations or constructive edits. He's just reverts people; no surprise he has other complaints on his talk about reverting more users. I've used this site since the beginning of 2012; since then I've seen a decline in the quality of sysops. How can you have a sysop on this wiki with zero article creations or constructive edits who just misuses the revert option? Just get rid of them. There's no reason to have reverted me 10 times.Dr. Witt (talk) 19:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Everyone is a sysop here, Witt. Except for people who break the rules a bit too much. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Whether GrammarCommie is constructive is irrelevant. Please don't remove their user rights without community approval. Moreover, trying to "get rid of" allegedly "poor quality" sysops sounds very anti-democratic. Who sets the standards for "poor quality", anyway? FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 19:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Please stop commenting

The punishment received by Dr. Witt is insanely light and can be undone anytime. Let this drama die. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 19:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)