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Okay cool so[edit]

@LeftyGreenMario @Spud @DuceMoosolini @GeeJayK so uh hi everyone I am extremely new to this Board Stuff. Anyone know what happens now? I’m in UTC-10, and bc of my current studies my best available times (in my timezone) are Friday 8-11pm, Saturday 12-10pm, Sunday 12-10pm, and Monday 12-10pm. Thanks v much look forward to working with you’ll ! 💗 ASELAकुरा 💗 02:35, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

(When my current semester ends in like 8-9 weeks-ish, I’ll have much more availability, as I will no longer be Shackled to the curse of, having to sleep at a reasonable time, but for now this is kinda the best I can do) 💗 ASELAकुरा 💗 02:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

We’ll hash out schedules once we can get everyone into a single off-wiki communication area (so we don’t fill talk pages with boring coordination shit). I’m trying to get everyone onto the Support Chat, but if Spud figures out what the fuck is going on with the Google Group, we might be on there instead. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:33, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Crucial board thing[edit]

Yo, we need the mediawiki update prioritized now. I know I like to remind people of it, but uh... it just got a bit more crucial. -- Techpriest (talk) 21:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I’ve asked David about it again. We’ll see what he says. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 21:30, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
I'll get more and more busy over the next couple months. Kinda embarrassing to say this as a trustee, but accountability is important: I dunno what are we supposed to do, but I hope we can do it soon. GeeJayK (talk) 21:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
See https://test35.rationalwiki.org. Almost everything works, at least hypothetically, but our election system still needs to be tested. There’s also the matter of actually implementing the update in practice. Christopher (talk) 21:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
The upgrade remains a dangling question for now, it seems. Is a test of the election system going to be arranged soon, which would require more technical involvement? On other topics, I added a short note for the one remaining detail about DPL3. I also earlier reverted a burst of vandalism. It would be good for the upgrade to get done soon-ish for another reason too, so as not to simply leave another wiki around which requires keeping an eye on because it's yet another target for spam and vandalism (even if much less so far ends up on it than RW itself). --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Since I don't want to be accused of nonfeasance[edit]

I'll keep getting less and less active for the next two months as my life is extremely busy right now. But when I said in Augusto this was going to be a priority I meant it. In case I don't answer here just e-mail me or call me on the Discord support chat. I'll still try to come here once a week at least, but I might miss something. GeeJayK (talk) 23:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

that time again[edit]

Time for me to bang on about the update. Mediawiki 1.37 got announced. Mediawiki 1.35 is supported until December 2023. We really should update or we'll begin lagging 2 major versions behind. (And the more we lag behind the less security fixes we have...) I would once again urge the board to look into what is delaying the update. The test wiki exists and most features appear to be tested and fixed by now. The sole thing we couldn't actually test is the election extension because nobody is bothering to set it up. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Why don't we just... do the election extension later?𝗦𝗾𝗿𝘁-𝟭 talk stalk 16:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

site update...[edit]

Yeah this is getting silly. I keep following mediawiki-announce and there's now several bugfixes for CVEs that the site is vulnerable to. Can SOMEONE update the site? -- Techpriest (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

wouldn't that shut it down for some time though? -- Andrew5 (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Will DuceMooslini still be on the RMF board now that he is retired?[edit]

Epic Games (talk) 01:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I really don't know. Asela hasn't edited since the 16th of November but is on the board, and CR maintained mod for 3 months despite not making a single edit. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
There is no requirement that a member of the board maintain an active presence on RationalWiki. See the guide for the exact qualification requirements. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 14:43, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Regarding Asela, she told us that she wouldn't be able to be very active because of IRL stuff, but don't worry, she's doing fine and we're still in touch with her. As for Duce, I hope he reconsider his decision, but since he didn't formally resign, he's still part of the board. GeeJayK (talk) 16:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The bylaws state that there will be at least one full board meeting every quarter where the operations manager will present the current state of the Foundation and its projects, as well as the fiscal status of the corporation as a whole.
So that means trent, despite no edit for a bit, still maintains project? 2600:387:9:5:0:0:0:B0 (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Issue with upgrading MediaWiki[edit]

Board members should be aware of the problems caused by the long-delayed upgrade of MediaWiki software (RationalWiki:Technical support#Commons connection not working properly). Are board members in charge of paying Tim Starling for this work? Has he made any recent progress reports to the board? Bongolian (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC) @LeftyGreenMario, Spud, DuceMoosolini, Asela, GeeJayK, and Tmtoulouse Bongolian (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I remember that we voted to pay Tin Starling for his previous work, something which we weren't obliged to do. I am not aware of any progress reports from him. Spud (talk) 07:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, we should do something. At least Spud, Mario and me, since we're the most active members right now. GeeJayK (talk) 16:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm willing to assist with the upgrade. I'm looking at creating a test Ubuntu 20.04 LTS VM that has a copy of the entire wiki under a MediaWiki 1.35.5 instance with PHP 7.4. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 17:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for stepping up on this. Can you can confirmation/permissions from David Gerard or whomever is appropriate? Bongolian (talk) 18:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Corporate Info Filing[edit]

Hey. Forgive me if I'm looking at the wrong thing, but it looks like someone forgot to file the annual corporate statement of information with the state of New Mexico. For example, opencorporates shows the corporate status as "revoked" https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_nm/4330247 If you go to the New Mexico Secretary of State Portal at https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/ and "Search for Corporation" and search for "rationalwiki", the status shows "revoked" and "not in good standing". I think you just need to file the 2021 and 2022 reports and pay the $30 in fees... Cindytalk (talk) 00:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Land acknowledgment?[edit]

I know this isn't really an issue, but I'd like to see some kind of statement that says the foundation and servers are hosted on land traditionally owned by the Piro peoples. I know it's not much, but I feel like that's something that we should do based on our wiki's pro-indiginious-rights content. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 07:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure where you'd want this to be noted. In addition, I am not quite sure where the servers themselves are hosted either; to my understanding we use Linode (see RW:TECHSUPPORT), which more or less means we're in a datacenter somewhere. GeoIP tells me that the IP for the site is in Cedar Knolls, New Jersey, not New Mexico. Google tells me that this means the IP is allocated to the land once owned by the Lenape tribe(? I am thoroughly unfamiliar with how this is properly written out...), but due to complexities in how IPv4 assignments and subsequent redirects can work, we could still be hosted anywhere in the world. What this means in practice is that our presence in New Mexico amounts to a few legal documents and the physical location could be anywhere in the world. This is why this stuff generally doesn't pop up on websites; it's not really that clear cut and unlike a brick and mortar non-profit, we don't have any offices we could reference for this either. -- Techpriest (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
No offense, but that is peak virtue signaling... Inmate XIII (talk) 17:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)