Talk:Bahrain

Can we at least agree how to spell "Muslim"

Muslim being a proper noun, it is known to my spellcheck only with a capital "M". Hence I don't understand why some seem to insist on spelling it "muslim". Kind regards. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 12:21, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 12:41, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I changed the two instances of "muslim" to "Muslim". I hope that won't be reverted... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Part of me wants to because you're still being a sore fucking loser about it--"Paravant" ^{Talk & Contribs} 14:36, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Now what's the fucking profanity for? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually, no, "Muslim" is not a proper noun. Except when it's used as a name. Stuff being written with a capital doesn't automatically make it a proper noun. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

Wait, then why is "Jew" always capitalized? CorruptUser (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

<joke>Maybe that's what the International Jewish Conspiracy is all about</joke> Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Names of religions and ethnic groups are proper nouns. Hence "Jew" and "Muslim" and "Christian" and "Italian" (to pick some random examples) are all proper nouns. Blacke (talk) 02:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes to the first, no to the latter. Stuff derived from proper nouns keeps the capital letter in English (something that's not the case in many other languages), but that doesn't make that stuff actual proper nouns. Please look up what "proper noun" actually means. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

"Muslim"/"Christian"/"Italian" are all both adjectives and nouns. In the case of "Jew", there is a split between noun and adjective ("Jew"/"Jewish"), the same exists for some other ethnic descriptors ("Swede"/"Swedish","Pole"/"Polish"). And being nouns, they are proper not common. They are nouns because we can inflect them for number: Jew/Jews, Christian/Christians, Italian/Italians. Jewish is not a noun because *Jewishs. Blacke (talk) 03:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure how any of that is supposed to support the assertion these are proper nouns; all it does is tell me you still don't know what the term means. Here's a helpful link. And maybe ask yourself how common it is for proper nouns to be inflected for number. How many Russias have you visited today? Ever seen a Netherland in real life? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 12:13, 18 September 42015 AQD (UTC)

So that's settled thaen, isn't it? Any actual debate as to the content of the article itself? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Actual issues concerning the actual content of the article aside from spelling

Are there any? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:05, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

If you read the content of this talk page, no issues have been raised other than spelling and grammar. I wrote this article (somewhat in haste) as someone who is vaguely invested in Bahrain having worked there for a few months thereby making Bahraini friends, and visited a lot. When doing so I had only two subjects in mind - the so called Brothel of the Gulf and obviously, the 2011 uprising and its aftermath. There may well be improvements to that content and other subjects that could be introduced. I hope so. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

There is the minor squabble (now mostly resolved) of how to address that while Iranian involvement in 2011 is probably an excuse of the regime for the crackdown, there are reasons for the naive observer to assume it happened. But the way it now stands, we can at least guess why this excuse was so convenient. Though maybe a sentence about Iranian "revolution export" being in fact a thing might do well if it can be integrated into a flowing text. I don't feel able to, right now. I am too exhausted... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 03:22, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

One thing that could be rectified is the following: "Citizens from the Shi'a Muslim majority demonstrated with the aim of achieving greater political freedom and equality..." This implies that the demonstrators were exclusively Shia, even though many reports and eyewitness testimony (including actual participants) confirm that many Sunnis have protested, as well. State media and pundits often made the claim that only pro-Iran Shi'ites went to "riot" or "vandalize" or "use terrorism against the police." The cited BBC web page even says ""Young Sunni and Shia are marching together and they are shouting 'neither Sunni nor Shia but Bahraini'. We have not seen this before,'" she says."" Thus I was thinking of changing that bit to "Bahraini citizens," or merely, "citizens." This is crucial because it's been an erroneous government talking point that only Shi'ites went out in protest to fulfill an Iranian agenda and to supposedly drive to increase the wedge between them and their fellow Sunni citizens.--Nay1989 (talk) 03:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead and do it. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)