Talk:Candace Owens

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Vaush quote?

Given Vaush’s fairly extreme positions, doesn’t a quote by him kind of bring down the legitimacy of this entry? Unless we’re doing a sort of “even this unhinged guy thinks Candace is batshit.” ^{— Unsigned, by: 2a09:bac2:6c3e:1c32::2cf:62 / talk / contribs}

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Genetic fallacy. Carthage (talk) 00:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Misrepresentations

I'm going through the list here

She claimed that the black community does not stick together and thinks that black people are hateful, jealous, and envious.(21:35-21:53) Strangely enough, she does not apply this reasoning to herself.

The video refers to these tweets:

There are things I admire about every group of people. For example: Jewish people stick together. They promote/help/hire one another.

One of the saddest things about the black community, is that they do just the opposite. I've never understood it. It's hate, jealously, and envy.

The claim that "she thinks black people are hateful, jealous, and envious" doesn't seem, well, accurate. Yeah, she's a grifter. But I think the phrasing in RationalWiki is too outrageous-sounding and comes off as a clickbait title to get people angry. I'd rather say she laments that the black community is in disarray and they all despise and envy each other compared to the Jewish community.

Additionally, well, calling her alt-right is a bit of a stretch. I think she's just wingnut and grifter.

I'm going to find more misrepresentations. Just go through "Candace's Greatest Hits"; it's full of that. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

As of September 2018, she is now an MRA and a rape apologist.

This one is a pretty outrageous misrepresentation. The first source is just her rallying a confirming Brett Kavanaugh. Say whatever you want to say about this situation, this doesn't make her MRA as opposed to just a partisan hack. The latter is an archived tweet responding to a circulated meme which is, I don't know since I can't view the image entirely but it seems like sexual harassment. This isn't about rape. You can say she downplays the severity of sexual harassment in trying to get Kavanaugh into a position of a judge, but it's a stretch to call her a rape apologist. Get better sources especially considering this subject matter, being a living person: Reference any contentious allegations solidly; unreferenced allegations should be removed. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, all good points. Happy to see this getting improved. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

More!

She thinks something bio-chemically happens to women who don’t marry and/or have children. Twitter

This sentence on the article is taking her JAQing off (i.e. she's smearing Kathy Griffin, Chelsea Handler, and Sarah Silverman) at face value. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Error with "Who is She?"

The following paragraph, located in the section "Who is She?" is absolutely baseless and needs a citation or at least a link to further analysis, as this seems to be untrue and a completely bogus theory: "Owens does have monetary advantage of being an outspoken Black Conservative. To be a a Black Conservative these days is to be immensely wealthy. This may explain why Owens is willing to overlook or downplay the very real issues facing African Americans today, including police brutality, disproportionate incarceration rates, substandard housing, crumbling schools and just plain overt racism by the very Trump supporters whose praises she likes to sing."^{— Unsigned, by: Ethan Parmet / talk / contribs}

I don't see how that's baseless. She's a well-off pundit with a sizeable following. I don't know about the "to be a Black Conservative these days is to be immensely wealthy." part specifically, but I think there's a grain of truth at very least. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

You may have a point about there being a grain of truth, but the "immensely wealthy part" needs to be scrapped, and citations do need to be added. Even if it is true, it still needs a source in order to be properly verified. 100.34.176.62 (talk) 00:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps. Though I think the other claims, like the last sentence, is supported in the body text (however Candace Owens DOES think black people are disadvantaged in schools and prisons). --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 04:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

"it was later revealed that Owens herself incited the MAGA bomber."

This is the source provided: https://twitter.com/SonOfGodAndMan/status/1055881140094095360

There's a bunch of screencaps from Twitter, but the tweets are directed mostly at Ben Shapiro, not Owens, and this was the aftermath of Quebec City mosque shootings (not the New Zealand Christchurch terrorist attacks), not the failed bombing attempts. There is a screencap of an alleged list of influences, but I've poured over this list several times and I didn't see Candace Owens in there, nor did I see Turning Point USA or Charlie Kirk? Does anyone have a clearer source for Candace Owens inciting Cesar Sayoc the MAGA bomber? Is this just really problematic sourcing? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Antivax

@Mawlo I'm sorry, but I'm not going to waste ten minutes watching some derivative youtube video to verify the claim that she's an anti-vaxxer. In the reference, could you at least provide a quote from the source, and at what point in the video she said it? —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cosmikdebris My bad, I have a better link this time around, and I’ll be adding it to her page. This time around, I actually have her oficial facebook page to cite where she admits to being an anti-vaxxer.Mawlo (talk) 22:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, for what it's worth, there's many links out there that seem to demonstrate that she's antivaxx and on the whackdoodle conspiracy train on that subject. [1][2][3][4][5] BobJohnson (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I used one the Daily Beast article as a reference for the antivax claim. To Mawlo: it is considered in very poor taste to cite facebook here; not everyone has a facebook account and these pages aren't archived very well. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 01:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Ableism

Should we add a section for ableism. Although small, it adds to the list of bigotry. For those who don’t know what I am talking about: When Kim Kardashian’s fashion brand released underwear for women with reduced mobility, Candace said that she was tired of this 'representation' thing and that disabled people are on her side with this, if not she is open to learn. Unsurprisingly, no self-respecting disabled person was on her side, and immediately called out her ableism. No one harassed her for this. But she would deny being an ableist being because 'there’s no way I am bigoted'.

SomeAutisticAce 19th of June 2023, 12:34.