Talk:Candace Owens

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No sign of Holocaust denial[edit]

Whoever linked Owens' second quote (on the top of the main page) to Holocaust denial must have a second-grade level of reading comprehension. -_- Owens only claimed that Hitler was a national socialist and that he was a globalist (by her standards). Even if her statement is silly, it's not really Holocaust denial. If this harmless comment has made you butthurt, please prove to me how butthurt you are by deleting it and blocking me. Then, go cry in your bedroom. Tigerlord (talk) 02:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tigerlord I'll address your two points inversely, mainly because I can and I want to. Firstly, that quote, which I assume is from Owens, is quite childish and simplistic. It is, in essence "If I am causing you pain, satisfy my perverse desire to see you in pain or be banished from my sight." What an arrogant and simplistic worldview. Secondly, the quote is her defending German Nationalism during the early twentieth century, while leaving out a few key details such as the holocaust. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
ComradeGC, that's not really Holocaust denial, is it? That's more like cherrypicking examples to support her argument. Admittedly, cherrypicking is still pretty bad, but conflating it with Holocaust denial is downright silly. Tigerlord (talk) 00:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@Tigerlord Yes and no. It's denial in that it tries to wipe away the Holocaust along with Germany's other sins. It's not specifically Holocaust denial in that it doesn't specifically mention the Holocaust per se. Again, in the quote she's lying by omitting or downplaying the crimes of Nazi Germany, which infamously include the Holocaust. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie I very much disagree with you regarding that statement. As someone who is Jewish, I can confirm that what Candace was doing is in no way denying the Holocaust, but simply not including it in her discussion, as while it was a horrible event, it was not relevant in the discussion of whether Candace thought that Nationalism was a bad term or not. Ethan Parmet (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
At most charitable, she's unwittingly engaged in softcore Holocaust denial. I find it really hard otherwise to grant benefit of doubt to a record grifter, but I think it's not good look at all that Hitler's goals are first and best known by the Holocaust. To call it "well, Hitler wanted to make everyone German" (which is a horrific downplay of a fascist no matter how you interpret that) is just borderline flirting with that subject. I don't see how that's not relevant, nationalism (undoubtedly white nationalism) certainly fueled the motives of killing millions of people to promote white supremacy. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus pandemic[edit]

There has got to be a section (or at least additions to the bullet points) on her reckless coronavirus response. Even Wikipedia has done a better job. She has mocked coronavirus victims in the U.S. and has said that the pandemic is just a liberal "doomsday cult" (see this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/us/politics/hannity-limbaugh-trump-coronavirus.html).

Truly tragic and anti-science reaction from this right-wing troll. — Unsigned, by: 69.158.129.99 / talk 12:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/570613-candace-owens-says-covid-19-testing-lab-denied-her-service
https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/candace-owens-says-she-was-denied-covid-19-test-in-aspen/article_e9a80270-0c60-11ec-97ab-736d9155b433.html
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/31/candace-owens-reportedly-hit-with-sudden-illness-claims-its-absolutely-not-covid/
Here is more updates Candace Owens was called out in a COVID-19 rumor and this was when she was denied a COVID-19 test in a clinic. But Owens went batshit crazy in her rants.2601:640:C681:C260:286C:FD6E:9DD6:8AD3 (talk) 00:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Misrepresentations[edit]

I'm going through the list here

She claimed that the black community does not stick together and thinks that black people are hateful, jealous, and envious.(21:35-21:53) Strangely enough, she does not apply this reasoning to herself.

The video refers to these tweets:

There are things I admire about every group of people. For example: Jewish people stick together. They promote/help/hire one another.

One of the saddest things about the black community, is that they do just the opposite. I've never understood it. It's hate, jealously, and envy.

The claim that "she thinks black people are hateful, jealous, and envious" doesn't seem, well, accurate. Yeah, she's a grifter. But I think the phrasing in RationalWiki is too outrageous-sounding and comes off as a clickbait title to get people angry. I'd rather say she laments that the black community is in disarray and they all despise and envy each other compared to the Jewish community.

Additionally, well, calling her alt-right is a bit of a stretch. I think she's just wingnut and grifter.

I'm going to find more misrepresentations. Just go through "Candace's Greatest Hits"; it's full of that. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

As of September 2018, she is now an MRA[1] and a rape apologist.[2]

This one is a pretty outrageous misrepresentation. The first source is just her rallying a confirming Brett Kavanaugh. Say whatever you want to say about this situation, this doesn't make her MRA as opposed to just a partisan hack. The latter is an archived tweet responding to a circulated meme which is, I don't know since I can't view the image entirely but it seems like sexual harassment. This isn't about rape. You can say she downplays the severity of sexual harassment in trying to get Kavanaugh into a position of a judge, but it's a stretch to call her a rape apologist. Get better sources especially considering this subject matter, being a living person: Reference any contentious allegations solidly; unreferenced allegations should be removed. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, all good points. Happy to see this getting improved. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

More!

She thinks something bio-chemically happens to women who don’t marry and/or have children.[3] Twitter

This sentence on the article is taking her JAQing off (i.e. she's smearing Kathy Griffin, Chelsea Handler, and Sarah Silverman) at face value. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 01:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Error with "Who is She?"[edit]

The following paragraph, located in the section "Who is She?" is absolutely baseless and needs a citation or at least a link to further analysis, as this seems to be untrue and a completely bogus theory: "Owens does have monetary advantage of being an outspoken Black Conservative. To be a a Black Conservative these days is to be immensely wealthy. This may explain why Owens is willing to overlook or downplay the very real issues facing African Americans today, including police brutality, disproportionate incarceration rates, substandard housing, crumbling schools and just plain overt racism by the very Trump supporters whose praises she likes to sing."— Unsigned, by: Ethan Parmet / talk / contribs

I don't see how that's baseless. She's a well-off pundit with a sizeable following. I don't know about the "to be a Black Conservative these days is to be immensely wealthy." part specifically, but I think there's a grain of truth at very least. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
You may have a point about there being a grain of truth, but the "immensely wealthy part" needs to be scrapped, and citations do need to be added. Even if it is true, it still needs a source in order to be properly verified. 100.34.176.62 (talk) 00:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps. Though I think the other claims, like the last sentence, is supported in the body text (however Candace Owens DOES think black people are disadvantaged in schools and prisons). --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 04:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

"it was later revealed that Owens herself incited the MAGA bomber."[edit]

This is the source provided: https://twitter.com/SonOfGodAndMan/status/1055881140094095360

There's a bunch of screencaps from Twitter, but the tweets are directed mostly at Ben Shapiro, not Owens, and this was the aftermath of Quebec City mosque shootings (not the New Zealand Christchurch terrorist attacks), not the failed bombing attempts. There is a screencap of an alleged list of influences, but I've poured over this list several times and I didn't see Candace Owens in there, nor did I see Turning Point USA or Charlie Kirk? Does anyone have a clearer source for Candace Owens inciting Cesar Sayoc the MAGA bomber? Is this just really problematic sourcing? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)