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Candace Owens vs. Ben Shapiro[edit]

— Unsigned, by: LuodiWang / talk / contribs

  1. It's still idiotic internet drama.
  2. On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  1. We added the feud between Candace Owens and Tomi Lahren. Why not the feud between Owens and Shapiro? It seems like a double standard to add the feud with Tomi ::#Lahren but not the one with Ben Shapiro.
  2. If you think this is internet drama (which it is) why don't you delete the section about Tomi Lahren? User:LuodiWang/sig 17:08, 31 May 2018 (ET)
  1. "we" didn't add anything since you hadn't registered an account yet.
  2. You still aren't signing your comments properly, all you did was copy/paste my sig and the sign template, poorly I might add.
  3. While I do not necessarily agree with the Owens/Laren section existing I did note that it didn't read like a Facebook post between gossiping teenagers. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  1. We need to update our page on Candace Owens.
  2. It's way too short so far and all I did was add new information. LuodiWang (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Three things, One: you're still blatantly copy/pasting the sign template and my user signature. Two: the article isn't a one sentance stub in danger of deletion, Owens just isn't as prolific in her insanity as her current employer Alex Jones. Three: defending a very poorly written entry with "Well the article is short, so..." isn't really helping your case. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
  1. Understood. Thank you for your time.
  2. LuodiWang (talk) 23:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Substance vs drama[edit]

@LeftyGreenMario I've noticed this page has begun resemble a rather poorly formatted (just look at the refs and several non-refed links) list of Twitter drama. Where is the documentation of actual events, such as when she accused the Washington Post of smearing her in an article that everyone involved (including her) admitted didn't exist? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:23, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, @GrammarCommie, the references are awful looking. Unfortunately this is not so unusual for non-brainstarred articles. The "greatest hits" section is TLDR as far as I'm concerned: it should be weeded & organized better. Who cares that she was arrested (that reference links to an awful video, FFS + TLDR)? A person can get arrested for jaywalking in the US by a racist cop, believe it or not. Bongolian (talk) 03:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
@Bongolian That would more or less be my point, the article in its current state is just throwing mud, not stating facts or debunking nonsense. And again, Owens has plenty of nonsense to debunk, but almost none of it is mentioned in this article. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:59, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I do agree about the article. I don't know how I didn't notice the ping earlier. I would've asked for the "greatest hits" section to be written in prose format. The arresting part is irrelevant unless it's related to her political activities (like she's arrested for harassing her political opponents). Anyhow, is there a rewrite template we can put to that page?
P.S. "ITS current state". Edit: Thank you. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 21:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I have corrected the typos. In addition to re-writing the "greatest hits" section I would also recommend expanding on the section concerning her backround, since the rather complex and tragic story has a bit more to it than the two dismissive sentences let on. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
It seems that Bongolian has added the "needs goat" template. I'm not sure what that's all about, and it looks like clown garb with bright neon blue and red, so my offended aesthetic sense in me told me, remove it. I also agree with that her victim of racism in high school needs to be discussed. I think those "biggest hits" need to show her actual words, with the needed context of course rather than a simple interpretation. Show, don't tell. Like about the welfare thing, her own words make very little sense, so we don't need to really impose our own bloggy commentary. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 21:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Encyclopedia Dramatica has already made an article about Candace Owens. Aside from the outright bigotry in the article, it mentions several facts that we never discussed about her. For starters, do any of you know who Tree of Logic is? I don’t think we’ve discussed her on this page, or even this entire website. LuodiWang (talk) 21:57, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Model the article after ED?!?! Fuck no!!! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I’m not saying that we should. All I’m saying is that it’s completely embarrassing that ED is outdoing us in terms of writing about who Candace Owens is. LuodiWang (talk) 22:15, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
ED is notorious for outright lying, as well as having a significant overlap with the types of people that form GamerGate's troll army. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:23, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh ok. Still, Candace’s biography should still be more than a few sentences. LuodiWang (talk) 22:25, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@LeftyGreenMario I've just finished expanding the section concerning the SocialAutopsy Twitter shitstorm if you'd like to have a look and give me some feedback. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Looks good to me! LuodiWang (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie I think it's fine, the writing is good and I learned a bit more about her. Good work. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 04:46, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


One edit by @LuodiWang seems to misrepresent Candace Owens's views.

  • Edit: "She thinks that victims of sexual assault aren't 'real rape victims.'"
  • The actual tweet: "Biggest problem with the #metoo movement is that it turned sexual assault into a trend and simultaneously drowned out the voices of real rape victims— who deserve to be heard."

It's misleading to interpret it that way. Owens seems to be criticizing how the #MeToo movement is just "trendy" and distracts from the "real" issue. In fact, the next point ("She thinks the #MeToo movement cheapens female survivors of rape.") more accurately characterizes that statement, though it's still not ideal. I'm really concerned about the possibility of other misrepresentations like that. Yes, Owens is kind of conkers, but let's go after her actual arguments, not this. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 22:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree, which means we'll need to A)lock the article and B) compare the bullet points and tweets one by one. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting me, comrades! Since we're going to be editing the page, I suggest that we start by adding citations. For example, when did she ever say that she thought that "black-on-black crime is a myth"? From my point of view, Owens has not only been saying the opposite of that, but she has also been justifying police brutality with "the black genocide that goes on in Chicago at the hands of other blacks" (her words, not mine). LuodiWang (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
You seem correct here. She appears to be deflecting from the real issue of racist police brutality to focus on black-on-black crime, and even then, I'm skeptical of that because racists often get mixed up between crime committing rates and getting punished rates. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 18:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. It would be great if you could add it to the page. LuodiWang (talk) 18:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I can't right now for the time being, so just letting you know. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 21:36, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, ok. LuodiWang (talk) 23:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Stance on welfare[edit]

According to Candace, Democrats are hypocrites for being worried for kids in literal concentration camps because they... support welfare benefits for single mothers? It makes just as much sense in context. Anyways, Candace doesn't seem to mind the fact that the largest Republican-friendly corporations receive FAR more welfare than single mothers. LuodiWang (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
It sounds more like she doesn't like undocumented immigrants by using the snarl word "illegals" (how much I hate that word), but it's weird she's conflating single motherhood to that. Overall, her tweet doesn't make sense to me. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 18:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
We should add it to her "greatest hits" section. In addition, the section about her feud with Ben Shapiro needs RWification. LuodiWang (talk) 18:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I think that section should probably be split into more standard "what kinds of political views she has" sort of thing, in prose. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 20:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea! LuodiWang (talk) 21:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
PeterNorway's take on Candace's tweet about welfare and immigrant children. LuodiWang (talk) 18:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
She thinks that abortion is "ripping children from their mother’s wombs" and she thinks that welfare is "giving more money to black women to keep the father of their children out of the home". LuodiWang (talk) 20:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Capital One[edit]

Candace Owens is not a fan of Capital One. LuodiWang (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
This doesn't seem like something noteworthy to put on her page. Also, you're not using ref tags properly. You don't need them. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 20:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Identity politics[edit]

When called out for her hypocrisy on Twitter, Candace Owens reacted by claiming she was being attacked for her race. LuodiWang (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

BUT OBAMA!![edit]

Candace Owens blames Barack Obama for the fact that Trump is literally holding kids in cages. Seriously. LuodiWang (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Sort of. It's more accurate to say that she's deflecting by saying "but Obama was anti-immigrant zero-tolerance first" kind of thing. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 00:03, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
It would be great if you could add that. LuodiWang (talk) 00:23, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


Candace Owens has recently been called out for her transphobia by Mic and Tree of Logic LuodiWang (talk) 16:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Listing her as alt-Right[edit]

Why is she beeing listed as alt-right in the introduction? While she seems to be a full blown wingnut, non of her points seem to fall outside the bounds of traditional far right nuttery and into the alt-rights openly race based white nationalism. This seems to just muddy the water on what that term means further.

That's what I was thinking. I don't think that she should be in the alt-right section. Probably alt-lite at least? TheEOE (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
No, she's definitely alt-right. LuodiWang (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

No. No, that is definitly alt-lite, bordering on straight up normal conservatism. Saying that racism is not really a big issue and should be ignored might be wrong, but it is a far cry from the alt-rights fixation on race and crys for eugenics or segregated ethnostates. In a way i would argue it is the opposite. Seriously, if you think THAT is what the alt right looks like you really, desperatly, need to get perspective.— Unsigned, by: Inuken / talk / contribs

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She is DEFINITELY alt-right. LuodiWang (talk) 16:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang I don't think making remarks about the European immigration crisis and view Muslims negatively automatically makes you alt-right TheEOE (talk) 21:27, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm guessing that you've never heard of the Eurabia conspiracy theory before. You should take a look at RationalWiki's page on it. LuodiWang (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
I have, but I wouldn't categorize anyone who believes in it as "alt-right". Just believing in a ridiculous conspiracy theory fueled by over-paranoia. TheEOE (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
A ridiculous, bizarrely racist conspiracy theory that happens to coincide heavily with being a genocidal fuck? I don't even understand the technicality you're trying to carve out here. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I know that Eurabia is incredibly stupid, but I'm saying that anyone that's dumb enough to believe is not automatically alt-right. To say that is kind of a non-sequitur. TheEOE (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Is this alt-right enough for you? LuodiWang (talk) 23:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang Beware of confirmation bias. I don't know a lot about Owens but I looked up those tweets. The first screenshot leaves out the part that says she swapped out the word "white" for "black" in statements by Sarah Jeong. The tweet in the second screenshot has been deleted but appears to be the same thing (compare Owens' tweet to these tweets by Jeong).
(Edit) The tweet in the second screenshot was archived and has the same disclaimer. CowHouse (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was her trying to parrot and mock Sarah Jeong for her recent controversial tweets. TheEOE (talk) 03:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@TheEOE Whoops, my bad! I didn't know about the context behind the tweets. Nevertheless, I still think she's alt-right, given the fact that she's pro-Gamergate. LuodiWang (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Tree of Logic?[edit]

Okay I am historically an enemy of Rational Wiki so I have no real right to tell you how to do things. We both don't like each other, though for what its worth (which is nothing) I have grown to respect a lot of Rational Wiki's content about right wing A-holes like Stefan Molyneaux and Ayn Rand and General Pinochet, even if I still dislike the butt kissing of Anita Sarkeesian and Rebecca Watson.

Still I feel that this article misses out one of the worst things about Candace, that she isn't left or right. She is a self serving bullshitter and a liar who goes where the money is. Tree of Logic's videos for instance which I'll post a link to here, as well as videos by April Reigne show how she really doesn't care about anything she says.

I'm amazed that Tree of Logic's expose of her wasn't mentioned AT ALL. Is it just because Rational Wiki doesn't like Tree as she is right wing? IMO it doesn't matter who says it. Tree's videos take her apart.

See here.

Candace Owens Wants To Dox Us For Typing Mean Words

Candace Owens Doxxing Site

Did Red Pill Black Commit Extortion

These would be good sources to use. Red Pill Black is more full of shit than a constipated Blue Whale.

--Burrunjor (talk) 22:10, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

In truth, youtube videos "refuting" anything are a bad source. Whether I agree with them or not. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Twitter feuds[edit]

I'm thinking about nuking the two sections documenting Twitter feuds. I fail to see why they matter to the overall article. Got a problem with that view? bring it here. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie It turns out that Candace Owens might be suffering from serious and untreated mental illnesses. LuodiWang (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang And this is relevant to the Twitter equivalent of a shouting match how exactly?? Really, you need to understand that this isn't some tabloid site where we dig up someone's porn videos and post them on the web for "the lulz". No, we are trying to be the wiki equivalent of the major fact checking sites. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie I think it’s important that we incorporate Bernard Media’s article about Candace into her RationalWiki page because it outlines her hypocrisy on rent-free housing. It also reveals that Candace might be suffering from cognitive disfunction, which would explain her unhinged rants. LuodiWang (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang Again, how does that relate to whether or not her Twitter feuds are worth documenting? Actually answer the damn question. How is it relevant? Why should we document her Twitter feuds? If you can't defend them, then they get the axe. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie We've documented other people's Twitter drama before. LuodiWang (talk) 19:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
We have documented Twitter related drama where someone took their temper tantrum off-site. We have made point of not documenting what amounts to shouting matches. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:26, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
This was the right move, jumping straight to the dumbest-shit-that-still-gets-published is absolutely a better paced article. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:27, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@LuodiWang I'm a little bit uncomfortable accusing someone of suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness. We should try to avoid indulging in armchair psychology. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:47, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ikanreed Are you stating that you agree with my edits or that you disagree? Or that you think I should have cut more content? Your last post makes it a little hard to tell sorry. (I'm also still waking up and processing coffee so that might also be part of my confusion.) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth Okay, but Candace Owens herself is claiming to have “suffered emotional distress” and “suffered pain and loss of enjoyment”, so we should at least acknowledge the possibility that she might be suffering from serious and untreated mental illnesses, especially considering that she was exposed to toxic mold, which can in fact cause intensive cognitive disfunction. We should also take note of how Candace Owens refused to pay her rent, despite the fact that she is opposed to socialism. Furthermore, we should also talk about the likely possibility that Candace Owens will be fired from TPUSA for politicizing a murder victim. LuodiWang (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I'd rather we tread very cautiously when it comes to mental problems, even if the claims to have them. Still, I don't believe her as I think she, a pathological liar, using it as an excuse to shirk responsibility for the crap she's said (she doesn't seem like she's sorry for her unhinged rants) as well as marginalizing those who do have those problems. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 20:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario There's also the fact that @LuodiWang tends to use poor sourcing and arguments in their edits. (see above when they tried to use the mold story to justify keeping the Twitter feud sections.) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Candace Owens Tries to Own a Mourning Family Member of Mollie Tibbetts on Twitter[edit] LuodiWang (talk) 21:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

The headline isn't that great. It seems like the mourning family member is calling out Owens for trying to score political points by mud-slinging at illegal immigrants, and Owens has only doubled-down on her remarks. Another greatest hit, I guess. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 21:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
I just added it. LuodiWang (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Transphobic tweets[edit]

Someone managed to obtain screenshots of several transphobic tweets that Owens made, most of which she deleted. LuodiWang (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If you plan to include these in the page, try and find archives instead. Screenshots can always be accused of being faked. You can search through her archived tweets here and here. CowHouse (talk) 07:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Found them! LuodiWang (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Serena Williams, Naomi Osaka, and Russian interference[edit]

I don't watch sports. Can someone please explain to me what Candace Owens is talking about in this bizarre new series of tweets? LuodiWang (talk) 15:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Louis Farrakhan[edit]

The PBS link that's meant to support the claim that Owens praised Farrakhan for supporting Trump is a dead link. Should this bit be removed? Mikecol05 (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Already removed it. Was going to fix the link, but then I noticed the actual quote didn't praise Farrakhan at all. (talk) 18:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Not a fan of the huge bullet list[edit]

It needs to be put into prose format. Or, the article should be organized by viewpoint and we have each "greatest hit" be relocated to those sections. But either way, I don't want list format, reminds me way too much of Conservaoedia's love for bullet points. More importantly, it just doesn't look good, since lists by nature are so fragmented. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 19:26, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

claiming maga bomber was leftist[edit] oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 13:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler apologist[edit]

Candace Owens appears to have become a full-blown neo-Nazi. LuodiWang (talk) 01:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

In said video, she just describes the problem with calling Hitler a nationalist, nothing that seems to be Neo-Nazi. Also, she calls Hitler a "homocidal maniac" here: fanfreak247

Christchurch Mosque[edit]

The manifesto of the Christchurch shooter mentioned Candace Owens as an inspiration. We should wait until more sources surface and make it a whole section because ti is likely to be a major hit to Owens' reputation.Jslsyl (talk) 05:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

i was thinking that RW should be careful about mentioning that candace owens inspired the act because the shooter's manifesto is notorious for trying to troll the media. I think writers need to better contextualize things if you include that section about the christchurch shooter ~~brightmarsh~~

Agree. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 02:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Candace Owens vs. Ted Lieu[edit]

We should add a section that talks about her feud with Ted Lieu: LuodiWang (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)