Talk:Kiwi Farms

	This Alt-right related article has been awarded BRONZE status for quality. It's getting there, but could be better with improvement. See RationalWiki:Article rating for more information.
Editorial notes Do not link directly to Kiwifarms. Keep in mind that even archived links to Kiwifarms may be transient due to archive sites blacklisting their URLs.

Archives for this talk page:

<1>

, (new)

Why does everyone rush to call this guy 'Moon'?

His Mom's last name is Potter. There is a CV floating around suggesting "Josh"s actual name is James Potter. The only reason I think people call him Moon is that is the name he gave to people, and so everyone just took it as fact... Investigator (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

His father's surname is Moon; that's why. ^{— Unsigned, by: Bongolian / talk / contribs}

Vanwatech

Apparently it's down.[1] --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Snapshot from 11 May 2023: "VanwaTech LLC has suspended all services." —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 20:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Does this mean that the Daily Stormer is also down?^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:281:d880:ded0:24e7:3603:7c1e:2bfe / talk / contribs}

No, both Daily Stormer and 8Kun are up. Not sure where they went.

Kiwi Farms is down on the clearnet. Just looking at the archives of the public RSS of their telegram feed ([2]) it appears they were DDOSed and had a server crash. I guess they have a .onion up, meh. It sounds like Mr. Moon is convinced that one specific person is targeting him, but who knows. Moon has made many enemies over the years, and unlike the other two sites as far as I know, seems to want to continue to flirt with illegal harassment and doxxing activity (I haven't heard any "troll storms" from Anglin since the default judgments in the late 2010s, and after the 8Chan inspired terrorism, 8kun has been reduced to a barely active QAnon whackjob site). Instability at Kiwi Farms therefore is not surprising. BobJohnson (talk) 21:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, well it's not so surprising to me, and honestly I will not shed any tears for them if one person is DDoSing them, because they abso-fucking-lotely deserve it^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:281:d880:ded0:24e7:3603:7c1e:2bfe / talk / contribs}

is it dead?

it has been down for over a week at the time of writing this, and honestly seems like it finally, truly might be dead. 2601:281:D880:DED0:A56C:EA1F:AF7:71A7 (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Per the latest Telegram, the site has been taken off the clearnet for a bit. I'm guessing he's having a tough time finding a host. Tor sucks so I don't buy his "make people more aware of how to access the site by Tor" excuse.

The SSL for his .onion was even revoked for a bit! I'm actually surprised the cert company gave it back to him. Apparently they use Harica for their .onion SSL, which is based in Greece. Greece, of course, is part of the EU, and while from what I can tell it is unclear what responsibilities, if any, a provider of services has for customer privacy violations, doing business as an EU member with a customer that is such a blatant violation of GDPR as Kiwi Farms is sounds awfully risky. Meaning, it's easy to visualize that if a member of the EU being involved in the next Kiwi Farms headline, all of a sudden any EU company involved in any way will be in the spotlight in quite the negative fashion.

And LOL @ Moon whines about technology companies. First of all, if you don't want to be thought of as cybermurders, don't have a decade history of harassing and bullying people to suicide. Second of all, if you don't want technology companies to put a spotlight on your ass, don't bully so bad that you get the full attention of an ex-Google employee who probably knows way more technical shit than you do. (Plus, I have no doubt that there are other nerds sympathetic to making Kiwi Farms' existence as miserable as possible based on history such as the "Near" bullying-suicide incident).BobJohnson (talk) 01:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, well thanks for explaining it to me. A somebody. (talk) 02:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Is it now finally dead?

I'm sorry for asking this again, but it is truly, finally dead? Is the webshite buried 6 feet under and has almost no chance of coming back? A somebody. (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Joshua Moon IBanz Blockland "Neko Shota"

I just need this to be archived here.

Joshua Moon was born December, 1992. August 2008, user Colten posted an undated chatlog where Joshua Moon said he was masturbating to "Neko shota". Moon was 15 in August 2008 and there are no dates on the chatlog.

https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=42448.0

4 years later, in January of 2012, user Stocking reposts the chatlog. For the next 11 years, every Josh Moon/KiwiFarms critic on every site uses this reference as evidence of Josh Moon being a pedophile because they assumed the undated chatlog was from 2012 & not 2008.

https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=182825.0

Shota refers to drawn porn, not real porn, of male minors. This does not necessarily mean prepubescent minors. It can mean anyone younger than 18. In that same 2012 thread, Josh as CityRPG later clarified exactly that. https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=182825.msg4815331#msg4815331 "I was into males my age. It's fun to throw it around but the truth is just so boring."

Josh was 15 or younger masturbating to drawings, not real, children his age. I can not tell you how many times I've seen this used as evidence of him being a pedophile. If you want to call him a pedophile, how about don't use this as evidence. Whatever your opinion is on Josh Moon, you shouldn't enjoy to see this misinformation.

I can't figure out where to put this information. This is one of the few places made of user contributed content that Josh Moon critics consider to be a house of factual information. This article doesn't mention the Neko shota comment but lots of people on Reddit & Twitter keep spreading it. I HAD to get this out there. Ok?

Also, here is an onionfarns thread where others mentioned this https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/joshua-conner-null-moon.621/page-8 ^{— Unsigned, by: 2600:1015:B09C:81EC:0:29:7B28:B401 / talk / contribs}

Shitposters aren't a reliable source (hows about that "Moon loves hurtcore" rumors in your OnionFarms thread!). One little obscurity though is Joshua Moon briefly ran an image board called 16Chan (up until about 2016, not sure when it started). It reportedly barely had any users, so not much is saved in the archives; however, someone did manage to snag the rules page. There, apparently pedophilia content actually was allowed in "special sections", as long as it was text only, or "drawn images, unless drawn in the likeness of a real child". [3] Which... is legally not quite correct and "pushing" the law a bit. (Drawn / simulated image child pornography is possibly protected, but it is potentially illegal in the US if it is considered obscene, eg via the Miller test. And "your mileage may vary" in other countries or even US states.)

Another thing reported in a few sources in 2016, Kiwifarms itself got kicked off of a couple of hosts for people posting child pornography. (Under the guise of a thread "exposing pedophiles", according to one source.)[4] Also, a few sources do report that during Moon's era at 8chan (mid 2010s), pedophilia content was rife on that image board. [5] Now, this may have all been Brennan, mind you... but give Moon his own (barely used) image board at the time and it seems he also made some similar questionable rules.

So, I'd say that beyond social media shit fit for Encyclopedia Dramatica (meaning we don't know whether he was a pedophile or merely a misguided morally sick "free speech absolutist"... or both), it does seem that Moon allowed / enabled some actions during that particular time period that *cough* were very morally questionable regarding CSAM content. BobJohnson (talk) 03:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Where does RW's article mention this at all? I'm only seeing a passing reference to "he was allegedly sacked as an 8chan admin for promoting pedophilia". This is not even the strongest statement and the connection to whatever you're on about, if there is one, isn't immediately clear either. Chillpilled (talk) 06:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)