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A Dead Horse (Re)Enters?[edit]

Heh, at the rate we're going, might as well add this site soon, eh? http://deadhorseinterchange.net/ Think of them as KiwiFarms lite, maybe? Chair tater (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I checked that site a few days ago and judging by it's content, I'm surprised that you guys haven't done that already. Tinribmancer (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Addtionial Info[edit]

Figured that I put this out there:

LOL Cow

LOLcow (a portmanteau of the acronym LOL and cow), is a derogatory slang term used to describe an eccentric individual who is deemed highly exploitable, and therefore susceptible to online trolling and flaming, due to their display of gullible behavior. Communities of harassers/trolls often document and discuss these victims at their expense, as they're fascinated by the abnormality of either their lives or behaviors. While some of with great power were considered to be a LOLcow (Donald Trump came to mind), they're more likely those with either mental disadvantage (like with those with Autism, or Gender Dysphoria) or have inconvient opinions (like Feminists and other Cultural Critics). Because of this, the ones that were obessed with LOLcows tends to be right leaning.

Can this be added to this article or should it be it's own thing? Melonhead (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I think someone can create an individual entry for lolcows. The term is not restricted to Kiwi Farms, but is now used commonly on many websites across the internet.Skeptical (talk) 22:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
And done. feel free to edit.Melonhead (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I made some minor edits, note that although I retitled it to lolcow, Lol cow is a redirect. Skeptical (talk) 02:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Joshua Connor Moon[edit]

We should include the quotes -- it makes it clear that he's not joking (or, is joking very poorly). Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 02:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

*Sighs* So what's next?[edit]

Like, are we seriously going to make a separate article on TRUEANDHONEST Weston Chandler? I really don't want to see that plague marine at all again, especially on this place. Well, maybe a fun article on Sonichu is more likely, but I don't want that either. If CWCki is anything to believe, we just (literally) opened a can of worms. K0rnsbl0dLet the galaxy burn!"Kill!Maim!Burn!" 02:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

removal of categories[edit]

Nearly everyone on that forum is alt-right or at least right-wing and sexist or anti-feminist (pro-Gamergate types), as well as racist. Don't remove the categories.EvilGremlin (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

  • [citation needed]. There's a thread that mocks the Alt-Right, funny how that's not acknowledged. --108.215.147.27 (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Trolls from kiwi farms trying to vandalise and re-write article[edit]

User: Sailor Haumea is a Kiwi Farms troll. I suggest a sysop locks that page.EvilGremlin (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I am not a troll. I just think that labeling the entire group as "racist" is inaccurate. And the stopped clock section wasn't inaccurate - I can provide sources. I ventured into the userbase yesterday but realized quickly that it's utterly horrifying after posting a few times. I quickly realized that two things are universal - their hatred of the mentally disabled and those who are transgendered. I proceeded to run as far away as possible. My intention was to point out that racism and homophobia aren't applicable terms to the majority of the userbase. However, sexism and transphobia ARE something that is universal there. Sailor Haumea (talk) 02:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Sailor Haumea, you're not helping your case by edit warring on the Kiwi Farms page. If someone reverts your edits, you should take it to the talk page and not persist on trying to get your way without discussion. Yes, references would help your case, but it helps to include references in the beginning so that people have a better understanding of your motivations. Bongolian (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Sailor, most Kiwi Farms users have alt-right/neo-Nazi political views, but they attack alt-right/neo-Nazi individuals like Richard Spencer in other threads, or they defame people who are non-Nazis as Nazis... None of it is meant to make any sense because it's a forum for malicious trolls. The sign up page on Kiwi Farms even encourages harassment. The main purpose of Kiwi Farms is to abuse Google traffic, so if someone's searches their name they will find smears, lewd descriptions and ad hominem in their thread titles. I don't know anyone who uses it as an accurate source of information, its like Encylopedia dramatica.EvilGremlin (talk) 03:55, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

So, what's the reason behind the article being listed under Authoritarian Wingnuttery?[edit]

I'm wondering what is the reason that the article is listed under that category? SDSD (talk) 07:51, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

It would seem to be because of the founder's being an alt-righter, a Trump supporter, and a genocide supporter. Bongolian (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
@Bongolian There's also that Kiwi Farms tends to single out ethnic (i.e. hispanics, blacks, Jews), religious (i.e. Muslims, Jews) and sexual (i.e. gays, transgenders) minorities, as well as people with mental illnesses and disabilities, for harassment, indicating a strong racist, homophobic, transphobic and ableist stance, not unlike how the Nazis targeted such people for persecution and ultimately extermination. SDSD (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Same reason it has "ableist" as a real term — Unsigned, by: 152.27.31.194 / talk

kiwi farm not co operating with the investigation of Christchurch shootings[edit]

I’m unable to give a full writght up on this but https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/website-kiwi-farms-refuses-to-surrender-data-linked-to-accused-christchurch-terrorist-brendan-tarrant/news-story/46d3c925ef84b24dde6194c42b3c2241 seems wroth adding to this page. — Unsigned, by: 2001:8004:12c0:9fa:ec84:4113:2e03:3c76 / talk / contribs

Lol the article seems to originally have been titled "Incels refuse to surrender data on Christchurch terror accused" (look at the source code!). Don't know who incel refers to, probably the admin of the site. Virgin-shaming much? --87.177.125.213 (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
"Incel" refers to hate-filled bigotted internet people. Don't know why you think it means "virgin". ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Truth[edit]

Oxyaena Harass 21:44, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

They also have a thread on AVEN[edit]

And they're acephobes. Probably worth noting. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Kiwi Farms are still pissed at us[edit]

As of December 30th, 2019, the Kiwi Farms thread on RationalWiki is spanning 126 pages. There seem to have been no new posts since last new years eve, though this may not necessarily mean that the creepy crawlies have let go of their grudge against us yet. Boneless (talk) 01:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Updated registration disclaimer?[edit]

It's also worth noting that the "point of no return" warning when you try to register has been updated.

Our community is tight and usually inwardly friendly. However, we are surrounded by entities who hate us. Some of these people are dangerous and so furious they are talked about in an environment they cannot control they will resort to criminal behavior directed to both the site itself and the people who use it.

While we encourage anyone interested to join, it is strongly suggested you read our Cybersecurity 101 thread for tips on how to exercise your speech safely both on and off this website.

We have no rules on language. This site is not for minors.

Boneless (talk) 15:29, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Gutian nuked their channel[edit]

Unfortionately, Gutain's video "Kiwi Farms Is The Worst Place Online" is no longer available. They even taken down their channel. At least they will be remembered. Boneless (talk) 12:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

definition of LOLCOW[edit]

Someone more interesting and creative than the userbase of Kiwi Farms, so they choose to mock their superiors. I say this as a LOLCOW with a 38 page thread, which would have been 2 had I not ranted about it on my personal website and joined the forum. Electricbassguy (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Chloe Sagal[edit]

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/chloe-sagal-suicide-cyberbullying-harassment/ https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/chloe-sagal-death-1202858068/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Suicide_of_Chloe_Sagal

Shouldn't she be in this article? Wikipedia is even mentioning her. 2A02:1812:2C66:D000:1C4D:4ED1:3A14:77F3 (talk) 09:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Null's location needs an updating[edit]

Regarding the lede, "Kiwi Farms is an immensely creepy American stalking forum run by manchild Joshua Conner Moon out of his mom's house"

As of many years ago I think Null was on the run from the federal government and fled to the Ukraine.. now in Serbia. He might have been in Australia and Philippines before then. Everywhere he goes, they kick him out. — Unsigned, by: 204.112.199.126 / talk / contribs

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Might be true, but can you in any way substantiate these claims? --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee my experiments 02:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Joshua Moon has never been on the run from the federal government. Fagin Twist (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
That begs the question: Why did he move in the first place? He pussied out after Smith gave him some of his just desserts, but that doesn't answer exactly why he moved. Oxyaena Harass 08:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
It's raises the question. Fagin Twist (talk) 08:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

"If you are a target"[edit]

Still think it's worth having such a section. Disregarding what a bunch of creepy fucks think about you is an acquired skill that's not so obvious of a solution when you're, say, a teenager. Fuckeverything (talk) 07:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

You would need to be able to cite something reliable that confirms whatever you claim. Bongolian (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
The issue isn’t the lack of citation as no claims are being made. I’ve already said why I don’t think the section should be included, although I’ll add that “just ignore it” is something most teenagers will have already heard. Christopher (talk) 08:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, in my experience, being told "just ignore it" context-free when you're a teenager just sounds like some BS from out-of-touch adults who don't give a damn. It's obviously the best advice with the hindsight of adulthood, but only when you've been able to figure out why, which isn't at all obvious without some life experience. Hence not "just ignore it" so much as "ignore it because they're assholes whose opinions don't matter." Fuckeverything (talk) 08:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Near suicide[edit]

Near wrote in his own words before taking his life "Kiwi Farms has made the harassment orders of magnitude worse. It's escalated from attacking me for being autistic, to attacking and doxing my friends, and trying to suicide bait another, just to get a reaction from me. I lost one of my best friends to this. I feel responsible." [1] 138.68.178.34 (talk) 20:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

And? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
What's your point here? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:42, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Assuming good faith for a moment here; this situation is developing. I'm being cautious in what is being included and what I'm omitting for now. This could be anything from a mere nuisance to someone deliberately keeping KF offline for ages. Whomever is doing the DOS; they broke through CFs protection which is pretty impressive (yet at the same time not, I'll explain this later once things settle, I don't want to turn the article into live-edits). I understand and empathize with Nears suicide (I posted about it in the Bar for god's sake), but for now I'm keeping info on the page limited to avoid unnecessary bloat.
As for the point; this is a link and excerpt from the actual suicide note. Techpriest (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
I see. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:42, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Josh Moon's Antisemitism[edit]

This article claims that he is an anti-semite and uses two sources from twitter, both of which seem like jokes and require more context. While I believe Null is a piece of shit, I would err on the side of caution in making this specific claim, unless there are other sources that can corroborate it.— Unsigned, by: Fijineet / talk / contribs

If you don't understand how "cutting off jewish fingers to make a necklace out of them" is rather antisemitic, especially if it's as a joke I don't know what to tell you. Granted this might just be edgy shit (most of his stuff is done to be edgy), but being ironically antisemitic in public is still being antisemitic in public. Techpriest (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I suspect Fijineet is a sock. Oxyaena Harass 12:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Then change the wording of the article to "he has made anti-semetic jokes in the past". I did create my account to make this comment, but I'm not trying to defend Null or Kiwifarms. I simply think that if we make a claim, that claim has to be corroborated with more substantial evidence than two joke tweets. What do you mean, "especially if"? If it's a joke, then it devalues the claim because Null doesn't actually believe it. Fijineet
An antisemitic joke is still an antisemitic joke. It doesn't matter if he "actually believes it" or not, the material effect is the same. Oxyaena Harass 17:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
No, what Techpriest said is that the joke is "rather antisemetic, especially if it's as a joke," but if it's a joke then it devalues the claim that Null is an anti-semite because he does not actually believe what he's saying. I don't understand why the same standard is not being applied for this claim. He called Obama the n-word and believes in the white genocide theory, but this article doesn't even call him racist, it just says that "he keeps racists in company" and "his account was banned for racism". He's posted before that Muslims need to be killed and doesn't give a fuck about refugees, and the contexts do not imply that those are jokes. And yet with such a highly specific, outlandish threat that he's going to cut off the fingers of Jewish people, with nearly no context attached, I think these are jokes and claiming that he's an anti-semite requires more evidence. I'm not even advocating for its erasure of the page; I merely think that it can be edited for accuracy. "Null tweeted at a Jewish journalist asking for his fingers" and such. Fijineet (talk)

Look, I know you guys are gonna get angry at me, but it's probably just a joke. I'm a free speech guy, and I just think that free speech is free speech. If you wanna crack a joke then crack one open. — Unsigned, by: Viril.Feline.Wyyzrd / talk / contribs