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US passport cards[edit]

Some time around late August or early September, Mme. Cogswell and I have been in the habit of spending a couple of weeks in a cottage on Prince Edward Island, often trailing an entourage of other US fiddlers. The last time we crossed back into the States, the greeter told us that if we slipped our cards out of their foil sleeves and set them on the dashboard while queued up, they would have our information on screen by the time we got to the check-in point. Since I keep my card on my person most of the time, without the sleeve, I suspect the Man now has a record of all the places my jacket has been. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:36, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Seriously, it seems that, with a sufficiently directional antenna, and with the target constrained to a predictable location in a single lane at a border crossing, an RFID chip can be activated from a distance of several meters. WP:RFID#Passports seems to confirm this. Oddly enough, the foil-lined sleeve is officially presented as "protection" for the passport without mentioning its anti-skimming function. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

That's true, and I was debating whether to include it because it seems like you'd have to have a very, very high-gain antenna, more so than even most radio amateurs are likely to have access to. It seems unlikely to be a problem outside of intelligence and diplomatic circles though. EVDebs (talk) 21:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Considering that we now know what "intelligence circles" are up to, I'd say that makes it a general problem. Octo8 (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't underestimate the ingenuity and resourcefulness of ham antenna builders, cause that is really fun stuff. More to the point, I doubt the kind of gear being used in places along Maine's border with New Brunswick is all that spooky. I hope most civilians would have a tough time with the encryption, but the RF stuff? Piece of cake, relatively speaking. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 23:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Speaking of lucrative hacks, I often wonder why no one's figured out a way to hack E-ZPass RFID transponders from the side of the road. Leuders (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Too many ???? between harvesting the numbers and the final "profit!" step, I guess. There are only so many legit turnpike/bridge authorities, and it might be tough to pose as a new one for long enough for it to be really lucrative. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Chipless RFID[edit]

There are some Christians ranting about chipless RFID from a company called "somark".

I find this funny because this is taking advantage of the fact that the language of Jesusland is apparently the only language. Sould we mention this in the article?--TemplarJLS (talk) 09:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Where are these "some christians" rants? Scream!! (talk) 09:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
That's one of them. (Look at the first post in the comments section)--TemplarJLS (talk) 09:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Meh … they're all nutters anyway. Scream!! (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Food and Drug Administration[edit]

The US Food and Drug Administration approved the of RFID in humans. What is your take on this?--TemplarJLS (talk) 13:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

But sure, they're just paranoid[edit]

their just going to revert your edit like the sheeple they are, even though that article is THE biggest proof of the coming Mark of the Beast. "It's the next inevitable thing" right from the horse's mouth!
I was told to elaborate.
"13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads". RFID chips are always implanted in the right hand, or the head.
"13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." RFID Chips are going to be used for ease of buying and selling. The reason Credit cards and barcodes ::were not the mark is because it wasn't marked on your skin. But now that they made those "paranoid conspiracy theorists" cry wolf too many times with the two former buying systems, people will ridicule us for warning them about RFID. The resemblance is too striking even for you people to deny.-- (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
1) Citation needed. 2) Compare this tiny similarity (provided you provide a citation) with the total lack of Biblical scientific foreknowledge or other Biblical prophecies being fulfilled (not to mention the conflicts with reality and the fact it can't even agree with itself on anything) and you'd be an idiot to rely on the Bible as a source of information. Christopher (talk) 18:20, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
1)Admittedly striking, if the link you sent showed the employers perfectly allowing the RFID chip in your left hand. Paranoid people can just have it implanted there, not to mention you can remove it any time you like. The ::chip will also not even be required. 2) Saying you're ridiculed is not evidence you're correct no matter what St. Paul thinks. Perhaps your repeated false predictions are why, so forgive our skepticism. The bible mentions to ::mind the mark you need to calculate the number of the beast. If we were to look for signs that the chip is such a mark, where would we find 666? The Source code of the software in the chip? 3) Both those two verses are ::incredible vague as to what a "mark" is and "buying and selling" so no wonder everyone thought their time was the end times. For all we know, modern banking was the mark and we're centuries late!--Spoony (talk) 18:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Maybe all of you are just downright helpless after all! Sooner or later you will have to wake up, because eventually it wont just be stores. Companies in Sweden are requiring it now by the number and, it will be worldwide by 2020! Of course that was back in June, and since December 2020 is when these will be fully implemented world wide, it fits the 3.5 year gap of when the tribulation starts and the Mark is required, as told in the bible. That is an EXACT 3.5 year difference!-- (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, whatever. Maybe is is the mark of the beast, maybe its not. But the real question is: Why are you guys cool with it and the idea of human implantation in the first place? This is at best an expression of corporate control over peoples lives, an unwelcome trend that some idiot is trying to make the "wave of the future". (talk)Krashlia.



Since the first family was micro-Chipped in 2001, there has been a huge campaign to promote and condition society to accept the human micro-chip implants. In 2004 the FDA approved the RFID micro-chip for safe human implantation and ever since then the idea has become more and more accepted.

Believe it or not, the Vatican has decided to use the micro-chip technology to track it's clergy and employees also. wow.

The US Government desperately wants to pass a Law forcing all Americans to be Micro-Chipped by March of 2013. Although that Law temporarily failed, it is certain that in the near future you will be arrested if you refuse to be micro-chipped. Our government, a newly formed dictatorship, will find a way to make it happen.

We might as well have implanted micro-chips, the way we are treating people. They are using palm scanners at schools and chipping the police already. Children are getting expelled from school for not wearing the micro-chips on their bodies so that they can be tracked. Why would the FDA approved a drug that contains a tiny micro-chip inside it, meanwhile the government is trying to illegally FORCE vaccines on the public.

Other Countries and local states are already Micro-Chipping their government officials and making it ILLEGAL to use Cash. Italy and Louisiana have already made it illegal to use cash for simple purchases. Sweden wants to end the use of cash also. Even our retail companies like JCPenny will not be accepting CASH anymore. They are even starting to detain people at highway Toll Booths now for using cash to pay the toll.

There are many companies that will not hire you if you're not micro-chipped for security purposes. If you want to work, buy or sell anything at all, you will be required to have a micro-chip implant in the very near future.

Entire Governments in Other Countries are forcing the RFID BIO-CHIP on their top official. World Leaders are now calling for the widespread mandatory use of this technology. It will be Enforced Eventually by a World Dictator for everyone, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive as his ID Mark on their Right Hand or Forehead. Don't think that you can hide from this. The military is making thousands of tiny insect size "Spy Drones" and "robots" that can run faster than humans to hunt us down.

I recommend heeding this as a warning! The end times draw near, and you must listen--ReptoidKiller (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Oh, gosh, thanks. That all really sounds so convincing and not made up at all. Next time just give links to the crank sites instead of pasting every word of their nonsense here. Leuders (talk) 17:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

What a group of paranoid nutters![edit]

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Totally paranoid!

"13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" "13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Sooner or later you will have to wake up, because eventually it wont just be stores. Companies in Sweden are requiring it now by the number and, it will be worldwide by 2020! Of course that was back in June, and since December 2020 is when these will be fully implemented world wide, it fits the 3.5 year gap of when the tribulation starts and the Mark is required, as told in the bible. That is an EXACT 3.5 year difference! But sure, paranoid!-- (talk) 20:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@User:Reverend Black Percy. Let us know if you receive your goat leggings after you get chipped. Leuders (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
@ "Companies in Sweden are requiring it". Sweden's a far-away place; convenient to namedrop when making wild claims. Kinda like Yemen, or Tanzania or something. Problem is, though — I'm smack-dab right in the middle of it. Protip: "Companies" in Sweden are not "requiring it"Wikipedia's W.svg.
@Leuders Remind me to have the foundation fund a pair for David as well. Just in case there's a wedding. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Have those dumbasses of the RFID chip paranoia thought about the issues brought by chipping someone? (possible allergic reactions, the possibility of hacking said chip/removing it and putting a fake one, etc). Chipping someone is not the same as RFIDing a pet (mandatory by law in some countries) Panzerfaust (talk) 07:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
i am confused by this section. Are we mocking peoples concerns about where chipping people could potentially lead (i would say inevitably lead) or are we mocking people who believe said concerns are already are a reality? AMassiveGay (talk) 13:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
What happens when there are several different microchips involved and one gets the equivalent of card clash that London Underground warns one about?
How many microchips have to be in an enclosed space before they link up to create something weird?
Anyway the time between mooting the possibility, doing all the testing, manufacturing, marketing, medical checking, and convincing the general public not to go into automatic Luddite mode and actually implanting the things will be a lot longer than anyone expects - and why not develop 'body-piercings equivalent chips' - as the the body piercing jewellery already exists (and has been safety tested). (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm mocking the concerns they have, as the microchip thing as they define it opens a whole can of worms. As BoN above comments there're a lot of issues to fix before the things could work, just to begin with (I've outlined some issues I can think of above and I'm pretty sure there're still more), and if it went implemented I figure things would not work as expected at first. Panzerfaust (talk) 22:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
concerns about the practical difficulties of actually getting the things to work is not something that bothers at all. the concerns i have are an extension of the concerns i already have concerning privacy and how we've sold it willing for convenience and social media. i have concerns with the way smart phones are taking on more and more applications, requiring you to give more and more of your personal data to companies who just shouldnt be trusted with it. i have concerns with the amount of data we freely share, wnhat we dont realise we we dont realise we are sharing, and who is getting it and what they are doing with it. i am concerned that it is already considered strange in some quarters when you do not have or wishn to have a smart phone or are not on facebook and that we fast approaching a state where if you do not have some of these things, then you are locked out of services, of jobs, of society effectively. that you will not officially exist. And dont get me started on washing machines connected to the internet. i realise we are years away from microchips in people being able to do any of this, but for me these are genuine concerns that this is where we are heading. my biggest concern is that too many of us ultimately dont care. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Could not agree more with you. Especially on the smartphone part, since I own a Nokia dumbphone and do not want any of the former. oh, I do not use social networks too. Panzerfaust (talk) 22:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Fuck sakes, people. Chipped ID cards! With a photo for extra security! Clip 'em to your belt! This is a solution in search of a problem. For more on potential risks with this approach, please rent the documentary film 'The Belko Experiment'. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Simple answer - ensure that the politicians #are chipped first# - they have nothing to hide do they, and they are being paid out of the public purse ( - well for the most part). (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
The future never has as much of the all-encompassing 'technology de jour' as the promoters and naysayers predict - what does develop is completely different. (Did SF predict the number of computer-devices we now have in our houses - or the wikiverse?) (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2017 (UTC)