Talk:Rodrigo Duterte

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So now we made an article about this old fuck? K0rnsbl0d^{Let the galaxy burn!"Kill!Maim!Burn!"} 18:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think Duterte is right-wing.

Duterte's party is a leftist party, and he has often advocated democratic socialism. In addition, his homophobia was ambiguous, saying he supports same-sex marriage. (Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't say hate speech about homosexuals.) He's closer to Xi Jinping or Stalin than Donald Trump.

The Philippines is basically Catholic and has a lot of sexual abhorrence. Duterte, on the other hand, is not more conservative in LGBT issues than mainstream political forces, although his words and actions are rough. Moreover, his anti-religious leanings are also far from mainstream right in the Philippines.

So I think it's right to classify him as "Authoritarian moonbattery".--BluePink (talk) 09:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

On second thought, I think it would be better to write both Authoritarian wingnuttery and Authoritarian moonbatty like the Aleksandr Dugin--BluePink (talk) 09:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

That's true, but there's also Duterte's anti-human rights stances, and his membership in a death squad and current-day encouraging of extrajudicial killings by police. Bongolian (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Violating human rights tends to be an authoritarian trait, sure, but is it necessarily right-wing flavor? I guess this person is a case of the problem of linear spectrums, as ideas and actions don't neatly fall on those. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 22:40, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I think a lot of rationalwiki users are in the West, so it's like a happending because they don't know much about Asian politics. In Lee Kuan Yew`s document, the opposite is 'authoritarian monbatty' and I modified it.--BluePink (talk) 00:44, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

To add to that, Duterte appears to be not so hostile to the communist rebels, as opposed to indiscriminately killing drug offenders while he is a pro-China politician. Such a politician cannot be regarded as an unconditional rightist. and The average far-right has exclusion and abhorrence of minority religion, a strong nationalist inclination, exclusive to immigrants and unwilling to accept refugees. Naturally, it is also negative about leftist socialism. It is questionable whether Duterte fits perfectly. Furthermore, non-Western countries have become stronger in cultural traditionalism under the influence of imperialism in the past. In other words, it should also be taken into account that non-Western countries are culturally more conservative than Western countries. Of course, Japan had a conservative culture, even though it was rather an imperialist-led country like Britain and France.--BluePink (talk) 12:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

We don't call Joseph Stalin right-wing He was sexist, anti-Semitic, authoritarian, serious human rights violations and even Russian nationalist tendencies.Duterte in the 21st century is in a similar position. I think Duterte is closer to Stalin than Hitler.--BluePink (talk) 22:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

That's right - those are all just plain old authoritarian tendencies, all of which be found on the left or the right. Left-wingers can be nationalist and even racist too. I honestly can't tell whether to put Duterte as authoritarian left or right. His party is socialist yes, but he doesn't seem to have implemented many socialist policies himself, so to me he looks more like just a populist. It would be quite helpful if we had a category for the authoritarian center, but we don't. So I'm okay putting him in both wingnuttery and moonbattery.74.14.220.211 (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Duterte's anti-Americanism is deeply related to left-wing nationalism. Unlike the U.S., his anti-Catholic tendency is also close to a left-wing element in the Philippines, where Catholicism is a major wingnutty force. And while there is room for controversy, Duterte is a socialist. Duterte can hardly be seen as wingnuttery in conservative Philippine political standards. If Duterte should be classified as a wingnuttery, it is the same error that Aleksandr Dugin should be classified as a moonbattery. Even if it is the same authoritarianism, Dugin should be classified as a "wingnuttery" because he is a right-wing authoritarian, and Duterte is a left-wing authoritarian, so only a "moonbottery". I object to adding the "wingnuttery" category to the Rodrigo Duterte document.--BluePink (talk) 11:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

American political standards cannot be applied to all politics in the world. Just because defending police power in the United States is right-wing is not always the preserve of rightists in global standards. The Philippine-style "war on drugs" is also a radical left-wing populist view in Duterte's case, opposing corrupt mainstream conservative politicians and religious forces in collusion with drug cartels and advocating social welfare and stability for the common people of the Philippines. This is different from the "war on drugs" advocated by Western rightists. Just because Donald Trump is a right-wing authoritarian does not mean Rodrigo Duterte becomes a right-wing authoritarian.--BluePink (talk) 11:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

After all, I think it is the intellectual laziness of some Western media to portray Duterte as the same far-right as Trump and Bolsonaro. Duterte is clearly as authoritarian and extremist as Trump and Bolsonaro. But Duterte's ideological orientation is clearly different from Trump or Bolsonaro. Even if extreme rightists have anti-elite tendencies, hatred for the 'weak' and 'minority' is the basic base, but Duterte's hatred of the 'strong' and 'vested interest' is the main factor. In terms of culture, Duterte, unlike Trump, is far from reactionary, which seeks a return as a classic value.--BluePink (talk) 12:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would say possibly Authoritarian center. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 14:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I think it is right to classify Duterte as 'moonbottery' because he sees him as a left-wing politician much more. Since he is not a liberal or moderate communityist, it is hard to say that he is a centrist in the general sense.--BluePink (talk) 14:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Lay out the leftwing polices he has enacted. Not the ones he promised, the ones he enacted. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 17:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

double civil servants' wages#, fight corruption, strengthen national infrastructure, strengthen social welfare, support for Islamic refugees#, condemn Western countries' policy of refusing to accept Islamic refugees#, argue against religious discrimination, Establish a peace treaty with Islamic rebels and establish an Islamic autonomous government on Mindanao Island#, anti-American pro-China left-wing nationalism#, and LGBT's relatively liberal policies in conservative Philippines standards, etc. (All of these are from the major South Korean media.) Naturally, it means policies during the term, not pledges.--BluePink (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Duterte's rape statement is a deliberate populist statement. The Philippines is not very safe for women because of the corruption of mainstream politicians and the large criminal organizations. Duterte appeals to the Filipino public that Western media are not interested in the misogynistic hypocrisy of mainstream politicians, only focusing on Duterte's own extreme remarks. In fact, Duterte has never taken up a policy of advocating rape. Of course, even considering that, it is true that it is a very trashy political behavior.--BluePink (talk) 00:09, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Most far-right leaders, including Trump and Bolsonaro, have traditionalist tendencies. In particular, Bolsonaro tends to be Catholic fundamentalism. Duterte, on the other hand, is an anti-traditionalist and negative to religious values. Even the cultural stand is hard to say that Duterte is a right-winger like Trump. To conclude, Duterte should be defined as a left-wing fascist. not right-wing. --BluePink (talk) 00:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)