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Sargon prefers the alt-right to the SJeW menace[edit]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/sargon-of-akkad-cites-white-nationalist-propaganda-reveals-his-alt-right-sympathies/

As the interview began to wrap up, Benjamin gave parting advice to Robertson about successfully advancing the alt-right agenda because he believes that social justice advocates are “a fucking massive problem”

“You’ve got diversity in everything—everything,” Benjamin said.

“I know. I know, it’s terrible,” Robertson said.

“Yeah, it’s terrifying, isn’t it? But like [social justice warriors are] not just a loud fringe. They’re not. This what people have to—say ‘Oh, SJWs, they’re not a big problem’—no, they’re a fucking massive problem. I mean holy fuck, the reason thousands of young girls are getting raped is not because the police didn’t want to do something or couldn’t do something. It was because they were afraid of social justice warriors calling them racist,” Benjamin explained.

Benjamin later went on to conclude that “worst case scenario for the alt-right’s success in this endeavor,” referring to racial segregation, “is less intolerable to me and my family than the SJW success. So from a tactical evaluation, I have to choose this angle. I have to try and explain to the alt-right that they can get what they want and they should take this gambit, even if it means the end of liberal democracy.”

32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 22:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The above exemplifies Benjamin's insipid trolling. You buried the lead:
an early part of the discussion included Benjamin echoing white nationalist propaganda surrounding the murder (blunt force trauma) of (Heather) Heyer, a liberal counter-protester at the racist Unite the Right rally earlier this year in Charlottesville, Virginia.
“As I understand it, I thought Heather Hayes or Heyer or whatever her name was, I thought she died of a heart attack,” Benjamin said.
“Yes. It looks like what happened is that she was shocked by seeing the car crash happening and had a heart attack,” Robertson said.
Benjamin laughed and when Robertson remarked Heyer’s alleged heart attacked seemed “a bit dramatic,” Benjamin said, “It’s more that the alt-right being blamed for someone having a heart attack, someone in tremendously bad physical condition has a heart attack, and suddenly the alt-right has murdered someone.”
Now that is unforgivable, and should be included.Ariel31459 (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 That part is included, we just haven't directly quoted him.
Benjamin responded to the Right Wing Watch article. He was, unsurprisingly, not a fan of it. CowHouse (talk) 02:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Response video quotes[edit]

"I will defy you to find where I have said the term, 'I am a rational skeptic'."

You say, [reading from Holt article] Benjamin pushed another alt-right conspiracy theory that NPI white nationalist Richard Spencer was "controlled opposition," meaning that he was a government agent embedded in the movement to give the alt-right a bad public image. [speaking] Which, I mean, let's be honest, that could well be the case, because he's doing a fabulous job of that. But you even quote me here, and it's weird that you say I'm pushing this, when what you quote me as saying is, 'Is Richard Spencer controlled opposition?' So that's not me pushing something, that's me asking for clarification. And Colin said, no. So, okay, that's great, that's clear, Richard Spencer is genuinely as incompetent at being an alt-right figurehead as he appears. It's not an act. He's not being paid off. Okay. Good to know.

The full quote was:

The mainstream media could just have a policy of non-engagement and that would be more successful for kettling the alt-right than it would be promoting them. But I mean Richard Spencer is only a household name because of the media. Is Richard Spencer controlled opposition? I’m genuinely curious.

galaxy_brain.png FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 01:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Commentary on quote[edit]

This quote was particularly egregious concerning the Heather Heyer conspiracy theory:

  • "Okay. The alt-right had lied [mocks gasp of shock] My goodness! I can't believe it! Both the far-left and the alt-right are both a pack of liars!"

Firstly, this is not what happened at all. Benjamin was the one who raised the conspiracy in the first place, not Robertson. Besides, there's no reasonable way to interpret this. He's admitting he heard this theory from an alt-righter and is then sarcastically saying he was shocked it was a lie. Well, why didn't he check if it was a lie when he heard it in the first place?! All he needed to do was a quick Google search. He cannot pretend to be shocked that an alt-righter lied to him when he was stupid enough to believe them. CowHouse (talk) 05:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow, just fucking wow.--86.191.199.111 (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Sargon prefers the alt-right to the SJeW menace[edit]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/sargon-of-akkad-cites-white-nationalist-propaganda-reveals-his-alt-right-sympathies/

As the interview began to wrap up, Benjamin gave parting advice to Robertson about successfully advancing the alt-right agenda because he believes that social justice advocates are “a fucking massive problem”

“You’ve got diversity in everything—everything,” Benjamin said.

“I know. I know, it’s terrible,” Robertson said.

“Yeah, it’s terrifying, isn’t it? But like [social justice warriors are] not just a loud fringe. They’re not. This what people have to—say ‘Oh, SJWs, they’re not a big problem’—no, they’re a fucking massive problem. I mean holy fuck, the reason thousands of young girls are getting raped is not because the police didn’t want to do something or couldn’t do something. It was because they were afraid of social justice warriors calling them racist,” Benjamin explained.

Benjamin later went on to conclude that “worst case scenario for the alt-right’s success in this endeavor,” referring to racial segregation, “is less intolerable to me and my family than the SJW success. So from a tactical evaluation, I have to choose this angle. I have to try and explain to the alt-right that they can get what they want and they should take this gambit, even if it means the end of liberal democracy.”

Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 22:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The above exemplifies Benjamin's insipid trolling. You buried the lead:
an early part of the discussion included Benjamin echoing white nationalist propaganda surrounding the murder (blunt force trauma) of (Heather) Heyer, a liberal counter-protester at the racist Unite the Right rally earlier this year in Charlottesville, Virginia.
“As I understand it, I thought Heather Hayes or Heyer or whatever her name was, I thought she died of a heart attack,” Benjamin said.
“Yes. It looks like what happened is that she was shocked by seeing the car crash happening and had a heart attack,” Robertson said.
Benjamin laughed and when Robertson remarked Heyer’s alleged heart attacked seemed “a bit dramatic,” Benjamin said, “It’s more that the alt-right being blamed for someone having a heart attack, someone in tremendously bad physical condition has a heart attack, and suddenly the alt-right has murdered someone.”
Now that is unforgivable, and should be included.Ariel31459 (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 That part is included, we just haven't directly quoted him.
Benjamin responded to the Right Wing Watch article. He was, unsurprisingly, not a fan of it. CowHouse (talk) 02:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Response video quotes[edit]

"I will defy you to find where I have said the term, 'I am a rational skeptic'."

You say, [reading from Holt article] Benjamin pushed another alt-right conspiracy theory that NPI white nationalist Richard Spencer was "controlled opposition," meaning that he was a government agent embedded in the movement to give the alt-right a bad public image. [speaking] Which, I mean, let's be honest, that could well be the case, because he's doing a fabulous job of that. But you even quote me here, and it's weird that you say I'm pushing this, when what you quote me as saying is, 'Is Richard Spencer controlled opposition?' So that's not me pushing something, that's me asking for clarification. And Colin said, no. So, okay, that's great, that's clear, Richard Spencer is genuinely as incompetent at being an alt-right figurehead as he appears. It's not an act. He's not being paid off. Okay. Good to know.

The full quote was:

The mainstream media could just have a policy of non-engagement and that would be more successful for kettling the alt-right than it would be promoting them. But I mean Richard Spencer is only a household name because of the media. Is Richard Spencer controlled opposition? I’m genuinely curious.

galaxy_brain.png Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 01:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Commentary on quote[edit]

This quote was particularly egregious concerning the Heather Heyer conspiracy theory:

  • "Okay. The alt-right had lied [mocks gasp of shock] My goodness! I can't believe it! Both the far-left and the alt-right are both a pack of liars!"

Firstly, this is not what happened at all. Benjamin was the one who raised the conspiracy in the first place, not Robertson. Besides, there's no reasonable way to interpret this. He's admitting he heard this theory from an alt-righter and is then sarcastically saying he was shocked it was a lie. Well, why didn't he check if it was a lie when he heard it in the first place?! All he needed to do was a quick Google search. He cannot pretend to be shocked that an alt-righter lied to him when he was stupid enough to believe them. CowHouse (talk) 05:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow, just fucking wow.--86.191.199.111 (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hear from a whiny BoN[edit]

God damn, you losers are desperate. You've put all this work into trying to assassinate someone's character and you haven't even made them really look bad. What a bunch of hopeless, desperate babies.— Unsigned, by: 220.239.171.2 / talk / contribs

Troll (ƨɛɪᴙᴛᴎoɔ) (ʞɹᴀᴛ) ɒnippiɿqƧ @ 22:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Sargon connects the Rothschilds to loss of Le Pen in France[edit]

http://archive.li/DcMKU http://archive.is/qnscl http://archive.li/RVagE Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 20:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Sargon doesn't mind the pseudo-fascist government of Starship Troopers[edit]

https://twitter.com/MoaVideos/status/951037312787406849 Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 20:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah, well, the book was a lot better than the movie. Also, the link page does not exist.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
How exactly does he "not mind" it? And how is it pseudo-Fascist? Service guarantees citizenship is not Fascist. Citizenship guaranteeing service is Fascist.78.150.68.151 (talk) 09:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

So you guys mind if I link to the Encyclopedia Dramatica article?[edit]

Or does doing such still fall under doxxing? After all, their page on him is surprisingly accurate (most of it anyway). Maim!Kill!Burn! (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I believe it is the position of the wiki that ED should never be used as a source except to document its own idiocy, and if the article has personal information that he has not willingly released elsewhere, that's doxxing. 𝒮𝓅𝓇𝒾ℊℊ𝒾𝓃𝒶 (𝓉𝒶𝓁𝓀) (𝒸ℴ𝓃𝓉𝓇𝒾𝒷𝓈) @ 22:14, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
If the article is sourced, we can probably use those sources, but otherwise, take anything from Encyclopedia Drama with a mole of salt. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 22:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

How is this not on the page yet[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFai-0hqH0— Unsigned, by: 75.90.15.136 / talk / contribs

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Is this for real or an The Onion type of post?[edit]

1st I'm a noob to this. I'm not even sure if this is the correct place to post this.

After spending some time, <1 hour, this seems to be an entirely fictitious article. Are people actually listening to the things SOA says? It doesn't seem like it.

Do people here want to ACTUALLY be honest or only publish propaganda?

I held RationalWiki with high esteem until I read this straw man with "Poisoning the Well" thrown in for good measure. — Unsigned, by: Alextiming / talk / contribs

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Can you be more specific please? If you actually want to improve the page, a generic complaint like this is entirely unhelpful. CowHouse (talk) 15:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Not the OP, but how about this for starters. The caption on his twitter pic makes fun of the way the dude smiles. This wiki should be a place for people to learn, not for petty insults. I tried removing the comment, only for someone to put it right back 8 minutes later.--24.13.88.55 (talk) 18:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Richard Spencer tweet[edit]

I have added a tweet by Richard Spencer in the intro which I think it's quite illuminating over the connection between Sargon and the alt-right. Please feel free to move it elsewhere in the article if you think it doesn't belong there. 83.250.104.107 (talk) 23:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

How on Earth is Spencer a good person to be referencing? Carl would only be a good entry point for people who completely reject the basis of individualism that Carl argues for.78.150.68.151 (talk) 09:34, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Spencer is a valid source for how the alt-right views Sargon. But I'm not sure the quote belongs at the article start; it would be better to include it with context in the "Relationship with the alt-right" section. --Gospatric (talk) 10:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah...[edit]

This article doesn't go hard enough on olde Ben of Swindon. It doesn't emphasize how much of an enabler for the alt-right he is - how is audience is just a bunch of neck-beards looking for confirmation bias. He operates under the guise of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". He went along to the anti-Trump protests in London with the intent of making anyone who is against Trump look like an unhinged anarcho-communist - knowing very well these protests attract bourgeois middle-class white people who are always going to be outraged about something. We know why he does this - it pays his bills. Good hustle and all. He capitalizes on the SJW's et al. PS, in one of his recent TWIS episodes he suggested that if someone writes racist slurs on a napkin they should be excused from any wrong doing. So, considering how my civil partner is Chinese, someone could write "GET OUT OF BRITAIN YOU FILTHY CHINK" on a napkin and hand it to her in the restaurant she works in, and in Sargon's eyes that doesn't warrant a police intervention....because of the medium it was written on. I smell...bullshit. I smell "I only care about money because I chose to make my job on YT and now adverts are removed from my videos I need Patreon support". He is a fucking hack. --86.146.118.45 (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)