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Muhammad would be proud[edit]

I think this gag in this context could be better written, as Islamophobes bring up Mohammed's young wife as a vague criticism of all Muslims. The usual implication is that Muslims are automatically child abusers or respect child abuse, or something.

OK, now I've tied my leg down and wikipedia'd I see Aisha was 6 or 7 when married, 9 or 10 when consummated. Was that kind of behaviour really (socially) OK in the 7th century? I did think the age was 13ish, an age I figured in the past may have been socially acceptable (according to those willing to try and explain Saville et al.'s behaviour, pre-1980 things worked differently).

But no matter what, the comment is a strawman: none of us know what someone who lived centuries would think.

I feel that there has been a massive rise in Islamophobia since 9/11, clearly overt stuff like the EDL, but also casual comments against Islam are much more acceptable than in the past. Pre-9/11 "Paki" jokes were getting rather tired in British society, but they have seen a renaissance since 9/11 and a "Muslim" re-branding. Just the other week I saw a copy of the Sun with a headline about how a British soldier had converted to Islam, the subtext being that "our boys" should be fighting Islam, not following it. Fucking foul, it looked like the kind of shite I have seen as examples of anti-Semitic propaganda in pre-WWII Germany. Yeap, Godwin'd myself :(

Giving religions shit is fine, it is just when hater's choices of ammo are used (even for benign comments[1]) it can look like genuine hate. When ironic jokes are done well they are excellent, but when not they stand to confuse.

Is the gag hilarious and I am confused, or could the point be better made? (or maid, ahem).

And AD, I think if comparisons are to be made then perhaps they should be with things that have victims, or with things that are socially uncool now that were cool in the past. (edit: for those that wonder WTF this is about, I am referring to AD's undo comment: http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Lennon&diff=1248295&oldid=1248294 )

[1] The religious really should never take offence, isn't it for their space-wizard to judge?

Yours, BoN 94.197.122.75 (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC) I've been random-articling on this site so long I really should sign up....

Stephen Lennon's disgusting double standards[edit]

So I went on the Twitter page of Theodore Shoebat. I went on his list of followers and guess who was right at the top? Tommy Robinson (I couldn't get a picture up but look it up for yourselves). So apparently when Muslims advocate the Slaughter of gays, the abolition of democracy, a global religion, the death of blasphemers and the reversal of women's rights it should be fanatically opposed (as if should be), but when Christians advocate the slaughter of gays, the abolition of democracy, a global religion, the death of blasphemers and the reversal of women's rights it's okay. Maybe I'm just making something out of nothing, but this is really getting under my skin.

Arrested[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdJaHWvLbk Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 15:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

can people stop posting links to far right fuckheads' youtube channels please, or at least give some warning? thanks. oh, not just arrested, 13 months. AMassiveGay (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Tommy Robinson Did Nothing Wrong[edit]

Change my mind— Unsigned, by: 178.94.28.78 / talk

What mind? Boredatwork (talk) 10:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Reversions[edit]

I reverted changes by Special:Contributions/90.196.210.29. This user had edited a quote from senior police officer Mark Rowley to reverse its meaning, and made a number of other dubious claims none of which were referenced. I don't object to people trying to provide balance or counter-arguments, but they must provide sources and they must not edit other people's quoted words. --Gospatric (talk) 09:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Underage twitter handle[edit]

The image for the 2012 attempts to censor the name of the minor named but fails to censor the mentions of the same name. Shouldn't the handle be censored in every mention? — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 18:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe so. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 18:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
To be clear, I am talking about: — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 18:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Islamophobe template[edit]

Saw this one user (with a silly username) add the template, with another user removing it. Why would it not fit in this article? --85.76.147.218 (talk) 20:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

We normally use only one navigation template per page. The Alt-right one covers the subject better than the Islamaphobia one, in my opinion, so I replaced it. You'll notice that the article is still tagged in the Islamophobia category. Sincerely, the one with the silly username —cosmikdebris talk stalk 21:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Eh, okay. (I didn't actually mean you with that lol) --85.76.147.218 (talk) 21:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, you meant User:Iwillprobablygetbanned? Yeah, there's a lot of silly user names here. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 21:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Aye, them. --85.76.147.218 (talk) 21:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@Cosmikdebris The Alt-right is antisemitic, Tommy Robinson isn‘t. That‘s why I think he isn‘t Alt-right. Iwillprobablygetbanned (Talk to me!) 11:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I don’t think that the alt-right is necessarily antisemitic, as it is a very broad movement and I see it falling into two separate views on that topic: Those following the more classical Neo-Nazi view are, of course, extremely antisemitic, while those who focus more on Islamophobia tend to be very pro-Israel (as in “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and they also see Israel as basically a model for an ethno state) and in Europe, the latter strain seems to me to be more dominant. ScepticWombat (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@ScepticWombat The last description would rather fit into the New Right (Europe) (Geert Wilders e.g.) than the alt-right like Richard Spencer. Iwillprobablygetbanned (Talk to me!) 18:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
I’d disagree with that, depending on exactly how you define the New Right and where you draw the distinction between it and the alt-right.
If you define the New Right mainly in terms of the Nouvelle Droite derived style “intellectualism”, then you’ll end up with something more like Generation Identity and I don’t think that Robinson fits well within this “intellectualistic” style (references to “high culture” and positioning yourself as a sort of intellectual, cultural critic), but that he instead is a lot closer to the style of the alt-right (meme driven YouTube activism).
Basically, I think that there are important differences in style and positioning, as well as in strictly ideological contents, that need to be considered when drawing such distinctions, because these choices also matter, as it makes a difference whether you essentially try to present a “populist” image (alt-right) or an “elitist’ one (Generation Identity). ScepticWombat (talk) 19:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
PS, I’ve undone your changes to New Right (Europe), since they completely ignored the involvement of the Islamic Party of Britain, which makes the Islamophobic label problematic. It may be that your changes have merit, but at least have the courtesy of raising your concerns on the article talk page (as you very appropriately did here) before changing categorisations 180 degrees from Islamic extremism to Islamophobia. ScepticWombat (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)