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:::RA, you will always remain a number one target for trolling. Mainly because you are uber sensitive, a big fat geek, and a twat. Well done. [[Special:Contributions/86.40.109.64|86.40.109.64]] ([[User talk:86.40.109.64|talk]]) 09:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 
:::RA, you will always remain a number one target for trolling. Mainly because you are uber sensitive, a big fat geek, and a twat. Well done. [[Special:Contributions/86.40.109.64|86.40.109.64]] ([[User talk:86.40.109.64|talk]]) 09:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::::You're totally right RA. Trent, what a sad loser you are. {{User:SuperJosh/Sig|}} 10:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 
::::You're totally right RA. Trent, what a sad loser you are. {{User:SuperJosh/Sig|}} 10:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
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:This argument falls down on the fact that I spend so much time here because I do not, in fact, have a life - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 11:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Block anyone who posts on the project page.

Archiving

Does anyone want to archive all the sentences served soon? Or do I have to do it myself? ħumanUser talk:Human 13:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Big archiving done - David Gerard (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks, this thing was a pig. ħumanUser talk:Human 13:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Renaming for broader usage

The issue was raised here in June 2010.

The Mustelid spake: "What I recommend is changing Admin Abuse to something more general (I think it's just called Abuse Desk on Wikipedia & other wikis) so that the same process can be used to deal with any persistent troublemakers, regardless of whether they've technically abused admin abilities"

And I agree. Shall we rename this page to cover general abuse issues? Or make another one that does? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Rename--the last thing we need is another place from which to generate HCM. P-Foster (talk) 03:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree. Should just be "Abuse Desk" or "Someones being a cunt" page. Acei9 04:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree with Weaseloid. Though I feel we can drop the "desk" and just call the page "RationalWiki:Abuse". "Abuse Desk" is a bit too Wikipedia-esque. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
The actual naming on Wikipedia is "Administrators' Noticeboard" and "Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents". IMHO I think a page titled 'incidents' or 'user incidents' sounds nice. It avoids the hot button 'abuse' term. Any discussion on a page for reporting abuse is going to be nasty, a discussion on a page for reporting incidents might be more amicable. (BTW, somewhat relevant joke from enWiki: 'if you hear cries of admin abuse, its best to be concerned because it is very likely that an admin is indeed being abused!') Icewedge (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Definitely. It needs to be slanted more positively rather than as it is which implies "come here to bitch and moan like a twat". Scarlet A.pngbomination 05:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Icewedge's point. That said, however, the very existence of this page is an open invitation for people to bitch about things (viz MarcusCicero). It might help if we name it something completely irreverent ("Dick Report"?). Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 06:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
All of you are awesome, and I agree with all of you! ħumanUser talk:Human 07:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we could call it the "Naughty Corner".  Lily Inspirate me. 07:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Now we are getting somewhere... is that a Private Eye in-joke? If not, it should be. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
It's one of those modern parenting things, "do that again and you'll have to stand in the naughty corner" (or some other designated area).  Lily Inspirate me. 09:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't know about "Naughty Corner" but definately on the right track. How about "Badass alley"? Acei9 09:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Scumville? The Retard Wasteland? Acei9 09:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I prefer Lily's ideas here to Ace's. Ace's ideas might work well elsewhere, perhaps? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I comment in jest, I think Lily has the right idea. When someone says "naughty corner" though I think of that overwarmed and over-ripe nanny thing that can't talk properly. Acei9 09:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
+1 for "RationalWiki:Naughty Step" - David Gerard (talk) 11:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
How about disputes? - π 11:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed name

  • RationalWiki:Being a dick
  • RationalWiki:User disputes

Either of those okay? I suggest a change soonish - David Gerard (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Those are both lame. But yes, we should go ahead with a change a.s.a.p., as there's currently confusion & contradiction between what the page says it is & what it's being used for. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I liked "Naughty Corner" or, on the same page, "Time Out"... I still have nightmares about sitting in the "Naughty Corner" at sitter's houses... Quaru (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Please for to change the * to # for reference to numbers is easier, I'd propose a third RationalWiki:Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch C®ackeЯ
I like that too. Either that or Star Chamber. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
The Loya Jirga should be the Star Chamber. WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Not really - the LJ is more like the council of elders we turn to to resolve intractable disputes. This place is where we try without justice and summarily order executions. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I like Assizes too. - π 23:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Since it's now being used to complain about the socially incontinent (Lumenos), I suggest "RationalWiki:Whining about other users". Or "RationalWiki:Complain here if you are a complete tool" - David Gerard (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
That second one's not bad, Dave. How about "RationalWiki:Get a fucking grip of yourself, it's only a fucking wiki, who cares?" - DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 11:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
[[RationalWiki:Whinging point]]? 11:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
[[RationalWiki:The Headless Chicken Coop]]? Jack Hughes (talk) 11:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
YES! That's the one! 11:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Jack's got it. The Chicken Coop. I will now relocate. ħumanUser talk:Human 12:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Sweet. Can we call people who complain alot "Egg Layers"? Quaru (talk) 12:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
User:Quaru/egglayer Yeah? Quaru (talk) 14:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
How about 'Rationalwiki:Authoritarianism Validation Unit'. 86.45.196.164 (talk) 12:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
That would be a better name for the Loya Jirga I think. - π 12:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
RationalWiki:MOAR HITLER - David Gerard (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
You have a really lame sense of humour. 86.40.201.0 (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Looking at a suggestion further up, could we rebrand the vandal bin or something similar as "the naughty step" and accompany it with a picture of Jo Frost? Scarlet A.pngbomination 20:15, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
After googling Jo Frost, I'm amazed at you Armond. Reality Telly! Really!!20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
I'm not saying I watch it, just that the "naughty step" meme gets quite amusing. Particularly when she was on the phones for Children In Need (or something) and someone said that they'd donate more money if she told him to sit on the naughty step. Still, some people on this site could probably do with Supernanny. Scarlet A.pngbomination 20:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't like the "naughty Step" it always reminds me of this. 20:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast
Or this? WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
+1 - David Gerard (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Delete

This page has become a fucking joke; where trolls complain about their concerns, and real abuse is ignored completely. I hereby propose, as a result, that this page be scrapped. AnarchoGoon Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living 01:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree. AceX-102 01:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
~2 weeks? nice. Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:10, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
As an aside. Maybe we make rules like.. BoNs can't post? As in, if you've been banned from the site, your opinion doesn't matter? (as in, fuck MC.) It just seems reactionary to delete the only supposed avenue for such complaints, because some dicks are misusing it... Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
So, then when DavidGerard blocks a BoN that isn't MC for being MC, where would the BoN complain? Lord of the Goons The official spikey-haired skeptical punk 01:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This isn't just about MC's trolling. Real abuse complaints are being ignored because this page is a joke. Gooniepunk2010 Oi! Oi! Oi! 01:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, because the posts on this page that aren't trolling are jokes. I agree with deletion. signed by an Oniontalk edits 01:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
(EC2)They go to the same place they go after the page is deleted? Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
So, let me get this straight. Since no one listens to the complaints, we'll make it impossible to complain? Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:20, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Not at all - it is just that this particular page has become a complete and utter fail. AceX-102 01:23, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Its not impossible to complain without an "official" page like this. Users can easily complain to other admin's user talk pages, and by defeat banned users can edit their own talk page signed by an Oniontalk edits 01:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
(to Ace) I agree! And remaking it with a new name will obviously make it so the people who are dicks will stop being dicks. Of course! Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:26, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I agree, Ace. And I agree with Goonie's OP. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:28, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
(To Quaru) So, what do you suggest we do about the current state of this page? What's worse than no abuse page at in, IMO, is one that is the epitome of an absolute joke, which is what this page has become. Gooniepunk2010 Oi! Oi! Oi! 01:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I never claim to have answers, but "nothing" seems like a shitty one. Have the ability to mark obvious dicks? be able to rate up/down like a WIGO? Fuck if I know. But it's literally been 2 weeks since this was "opened for broader use" to get to "utter trash from dicks" Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) Okay. Well, then why don't we as a site actually do what I propose (though I doubt we can ever accomplish it):
  1. Any complaints from trolls on this page be investigated for legitimate complaints. The troll will be ignored (and I mean ignored, not reverted or talked back to), but other users may bring about the complaint underneath it if actual abuse occurred.
  2. Make abuse actually have real consequences ranging from, based on severity and frequency of offense, a lambasting to a removing of user rights and/or possible vandal binning.

AnarchoGoon Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living 01:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I think trying to accomplish that is a lot like trying to get a chicken coop to be orderly. But I would like to point out, that even if you all thought it was useless, the Lyra Silvertongue post yesterday did get the problem solved. So unless it's become that useless since then, well.. whatever. Maybe the point is (and wasn't this said at the time?) that it gives people a place to squawk. Let MC post his inane drivel here instead of taking up valuable space someplace else. Quarufritter - You can't explain that! 01:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay. And what of real abuse complaints? I don't care about MC posts anymore than I care about celebrity gossip magazines. But, if somebody actually commits abuse, we certainly need to do more than just go "Oh, your a bad boy there User X." AnarchoGoon Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living 01:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. We need a respected place to discuss actual admin abuse, like the David Gerrard 2 section, which is being ignored by most regular users. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

This page has become a fucking joke I wonder how that happened. 89.132.239.149 (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

It is ironic that the people complaining that is page is a joke are the ones that have treated it as such. How about we limit the page to serious complaints or mothball it and leave abuse decisions to the Loya Jirga? - π 13:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah... why don't we archive all the closed or irrelevant threads (which I think is all of them). Also, I would suggest part of the definition of "serious complaint", at a minimum, would be that it includes at least two difflinks or one blocklink longer than five minutes, or something like that? A complaint with no reference is a bit pointless. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Rant

Response to Idiot number 1-56 ("RA needs to get a life"):

I hope you've told the same thing to Human, David Gerard, Armondikov, SusanG, Pi, Nx... all of whom also invest copious amounts of time in this site. Oh, and Tmtoulouse. (How come no one ever says to Trent "you need a life"? He's invested vast amounts of time, energy, and money into creating and maintaining an insignificant backwater website, which primarily serves as a place for a handful of similarly lifeless people to dick around on. Doesn't that make him ten times as much of a loser as any of us? Oh, I forget, Trent makes and maintains the site, and as such is beyond reproach, while a mere mortal like myself is just a fucking wanker for having the audacity to also give a shit about stuff here.) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The point isn't that you invest lots of time in the website, its that you focus on stuff that doesn't matter in the slightest. None of the others you mentioned waste time and effort taking people to the "wiki court" for making inconsequential jokes. You really need to stop taking this wiki so seriously. --Idiot Numbers 1-56 (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a terrible rant. Come on man, rant it up a little! AceX-102 04:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The draft version had several "Fuck you, Idiot number"s in it, but I felt it would be hypocritical of me after saying this. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, he has said the same thing to David Gerard and Human. You can find his pottery about it on Human's talkpage still, in fact. Punky Your mental puke relief 04:29, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
RA, you will always remain a number one target for trolling. Mainly because you are uber sensitive, a big fat geek, and a twat. Well done. 86.40.109.64 (talk) 09:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
You're totally right RA. Trent, what a sad loser you are. SJ Debaser 10:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
This argument falls down on the fact that I spend so much time here because I do not, in fact, have a life - David Gerard (talk) 11:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)