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This page should be called "The cock fighting ring" because it becomes a blood sport at times. Conspirate (talk) 05:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

You did not read or understand, "As a final note, if you think this page is a good tactic to apply in gaming the mob into doing your bidding, you may be shocked to see your post archived quite swiftly." Bongolian (talk) 17:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

HCM level[edit]

I don’t want to be that guy stirring the pot, but isn’t this HCM 0 at this point? Drama on several pages, no one even knows what they’re fighting about, policy changes are being debated along with the legitimacy of several users’ assignment of rights... Sounds like the description of HCM 0. Fawcett (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

No way - not even HCM 1. This is nothing. AceModerator 00:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
HCM zero to me was best exemplified by ADK's decratting everyone and Nx desysopping everyone. A fundamental upheaval of the site's structure--Hastur! (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
That's kind of my point though. Appointment of user rights is being discussed right now, which is really a change of the site's structure and isn't far off from what happened with the last HCM 0, as I understand it. Perhaps we're not QUITE where we were then, but it seems pretty close. Forgive me for being naive, I wasn't around back then. I could see Oxy stripping everybody else's rights if she somehow got access to an account with tech rights or moderator rights just to get back at everybody (again, I'm being serious, not poking fun, which is sometimes hard to tell on the net). Fawcett (talk) 01:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
This particular incident is barely level 1, as Ace notes above. There have been much bigger dumpster fires here that didn't burn out after a day or two like this one did. Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
It's not really dead yet though. Fawcett (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah it's dead. I've been on RW almost continually for 12 years and this is nothing compared to some of the other HCM's I have endured. AceModerator 03:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I had tech for over a year, and I never saw fit to desysop and demod everyone. You all have the wrong idea about me, and I have been treated very unfairly by this wiki. Oxyaena Harass 03:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

You absolutely have been treated fairly. You’re abusive, block heavy based on your feelings, continually LANCB, create drama every where you turn and then have the gall to say you’re being treated unfairly. You really, REALLY, need to do a lot of self reflection. AceModerator 10:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
You have a terrible attitude and no friends. Please treat his as a learning experience, for your own good--Hastur! (talk) 16:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Hastur, do not turn this into a personal attack ("no friends"). I'm aware that you've had a rather troubled history here.[1] Bongolian (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Going back on topic, I was reading about “The Great Pissing Contest” and honestly what was so much “greater” about that than this? Fawcett (talk) 09:42, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

After reading the HCM article, isn't HCM Level 2 better suited for this situation than HCM level 3? Thunderclapper (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I can't defend myself in the coop[edit]

Because I have been censored and my vote was removed. That's vote tampering. GR (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I haven't seen you do anything that constitutes defending yourself--Hastur! (talk) 23:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Well this is what constitutes judge, jury and executioner. GR (talk) 23:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
LGM protected the coop, and I would personally take her advice and take some time to calm down. Soundwave106 (talk) 23:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Through a quick ban, I told you to stop reinstating your vote after I've been removing yours. You know I'm a mod, you should at least respect that decision. But you didn't. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I can't throw in a vote, what gives? Oxyaena Harass 00:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Raven added a vote. I removed it. He readded it. I removed it. I told him to stop it or else I'll sysoprevoke and protect to sysop-only. He readded it. I guess I'll unlock the page though, since it seemed to have fizzled out anyhow; you're the second user to notice the page lock. Do not disappoint me, editors. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 00:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we should allow him to keep the vote, just to show those defending him who exactly they are defending.-Flandres (talk) 00:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@Flandres I don't think they're defending him per se. It's more they feel a certain way about bans, and also that they might think he can be reformed after a painful amount of talking to. Personally, I feel like shaming people for voting their conscience sets a bad precedent. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:39, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
When you put it that way, I can understand where you are coming from.-Flandres (talk) 00:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Agree. I understand their position too. They have some goodwill in that he'll improve and don't want to set precedent for indef bans for people we don't like. I don't entirely agree in that assessment, namely that I don't think Raven will improve, but I do agree with the spirit of it. If that makes any sense. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 00:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I understand. Note that IRL even those close to me say I am rather ruthless as a person, so I generally feel less averse to emotionally painful last resorts like coop cases or long bans(just to clear up things both here and for future reference). I do understand I do not think like other people and they have a right to their beliefs.-Flandres (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
I completely agree with LeftGreenMario's assessment. ShabiDOO 00:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposal(I think this is the right place to put it)[edit]

After sifting through the archives, focusing on cases that came to a vote, I think the coop would benefit from a two round voting system. The first options would be permaban, temp ban(without specifying length just yet), and no ban. If temp ban wins, then a second vote is held between various lengths of banning(one week, three months, so on). My hope is that no opinion is outright discarded in the second round so a very close and contentious case can have a resolution that still reflects a firm majority. For instance, if temp ban won but a large amount of users felt the user in question did not deserve it they can still vote for the shortest possible ban in the second round, thus their views are not just voided instantly because an option won by one vote.-Flandres (talk) 21:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... Interesting. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The right place to put this would be the talk page of RationalWiki:Community Standards.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 15:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's true for general changes. But if Flandres or anyone else wants to try to go this route for this particular coop, I don't see why not. Bongolian (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
So the first round renders a guilty as charged or not guilty verdict, and the second round a sentencing phase? nobsSmile, and be friends.. 01:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
No we should vote for everything yes/no and all penalties that pass (ban by 66% margin all others by 50% margin) are applied. If more than one pass then each one that passes is applied. ShabiDOO 02:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Given the time constraints on voting, my previous suggestion was not well thought-out. Bongolian (talk) 02:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion 'the next'[edit]

Clicking on Recent Changes - last 500 edits' shows some 190 of said edits being made (probably more when I save this entry).

When there is such a flurry could there be a 'fox in the chicken coop pause' (whatever the cause of the disagreement). Anna Livia (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)