Debate:Specified complexity

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This is a Debate Page, and it has gone pretty badly down the muddy slope.
This debate now resembles something halfway between a mud pit and a hell hole.
ENTER AT YOUR OWN PERIL.
some idiot decided to archive this mess, a large portion of text appears to be in there twice and some may have been inadvertently removed. Sorry! Christopher (talk) 20:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)