RationalWiki talk:Community Standards/Archive22

Periodic polls

I was curious if we could conduct polls on certain political questions (for example, how many people in the site support BLM?), whether they had covid-19, whether they were tested for covid 19, so forth. I would like to conduct those polls too, if I am allowed to. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 06:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I thin the Saloon Bar would be a more appropriate place to propose that idea than here. In fact, that sounds pretty much like the Pointless Polls we already have at the top of the Saloon Bar page. Spud (talk) 06:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

… which anyone is free to create. Bongolian (talk) 06:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah the saloon already has space for that. See no reason to put that in the community standards either, if I'm being frank. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 08:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

My bad. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 08:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

i would be very wary about polling on political questions, or indeed any question that could be deemed contentious or divisive, or simply intrusive. why would such data be required? what could it be used for? who is conducting the poll? would it be endorsed by or for rationalwiki in some way? if by some random user, are they capable enough or someone i would trust with such data?.

i would want to know the answers to these questions for anything that is not a simple straw poll, and the pointless poll is not something that is or ever has been meant to be taken seriously.

at the very least, i would not be supportive of polling if it is intended or could be used to sway debate by assuming some kind of concensus or intimidate and silence opinion not deemed not representative of the use base.

theres been at least one poll, i am aware of, before that dealt with demographics and political opinion. it was not without issue, but i can say i was generally satisfied with how it was conducted. i would not keen to be over polled and not by, lets say, divisive users. AMassiveGay (talk) 11:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Unless you are proposing a coop to get rid of me or that sysops shouldn't be able to do polls, yeah, I will do polls, whether you like it or not. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 12:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's almost like you're asking for a coop Raven. Perhaps there's a better way to be bold and trying something new than signalling "fuck you...I'll do what I want...coop me if you dare"? ShabiDOO 12:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Why is this being made an issue again? The pointless poll in the saloon has existed for ages. You're not required to participate, it's just there in the saloon, folded if you don't care. As to why people do polls... I dunno, people like knowing what the consensus is? The last one was about the dem primaries and it was fun to see people think that Vermin Supreme was the best non-Sanders candidate. There's not a lot to it. The polls are anonymous, so like... eh? I know I'm not a mod, but like... yeah, I'm really failing to see the issue here. As long as the polls aren't intended to swing one way or another (aka, biased phrasing or options), then I see no reason to remove any pointless polls. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 13:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. If anyone wants to set up the poll they can do so. Though I think that anyone new setting them up will need to be aware of our tendency to add unexpected additional responses to their poll questions and our general tendency to not take the process very seriously.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 14:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Ok folks, I got the message. You can archive this. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 14:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Sigh

All I get from this wiki is shit and harassment. I stopped excessively blocking months ago, and most of those blocks were of trolls and vandals anyways. I get called cancer, a menace, dishonest etc. Someone on the Discord pointed out I added my name to an edit filter, that's because trolls kept using my name to register accounts and harass me. It's not a secret I`m easily agitated, and I try to improve. I said I'd lay off Raven and I did, Raven's now cheering me leaving. I hate this place. It makes me sick to my stomach, and yet I can't let go of it. I even gave up my tech status voluntarily, I`m still getting shit.

What will it take to just get you guys to like me for once or at least leave me alone? I`m not an evil monster, I try to be a good editor. I`m sorry for the way I've behaved. I got told point blank if I didn't like being harassed then leave. At what point does this become unhealthy? I honestly do not know. I`m frustrated and angry, and whenever I try rectifying things I just get more shit thrown my way. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe ACTUALLY retire and stop visiting this website. It might help with your mental health, too. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 19:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you not understand? It's a compulsion, I have OCD. Em says half of your posts on Discord consist of mocking those who disagree with you. I fucking hate you. Stay away from me. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

There is medication and therapy for OCD, in case you didn't know that. Whatever I say on discord is not relevant. Also, @EK will hear from me, since what she said is unlikely to be true. Also, actually retire, stop visiting this website and treat your OCD properly. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 19:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Be careful about casually recommending treatment to an american-many of us cannot afford it.-Flandres (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I linked the NHS website for OCD treatment, I would assume it's a reliable source for basic medical expertise? I'm sorry if it came off as me playing therapist, I'm obviously not qualified for that. — Godless Raven 🌹 ^Heretic 19:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

You appear to have misunderstood my post, I was talking about the financial angle.-Flandres (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

This doesn't belong here... take it to the coop, the mod noticeboard or the saloon. Coop if you want someone gone (bring diffs please), mod noticeboard if you want mods to slap people, saloon if this is just conversation. I don't think most of us are qualified therapists in any shape or form, and while we certainly can accomodate to mental illnesses in basic forms (such as tolerating your constant LANCBing), there just flat out is a point where we're bending the rules over backasswards to accomodate for mental illnesses, which is where the line got drawn (your excessive Morris blocks, freaking out about Raven before he did anything wrong and what Nutty found out about the filter). Look, I want you to improve as much as anyone here. So to that end, @Godless Raven stop constantly asking Oxy to "ACTUALLY" retire, that's borderline targeted harassment at this rate. If someone LANCBs and returns, that's perfectly fine. Now can someone archive this? Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)