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WIGO numbering[edit]

Is there a table somewhere of WIGO numbers and whether they have a vote attached to them? I really doubt we've gone through 198,000 news stories. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 18:45, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

There is a database table, but also, why worry about it? We aren't gonna run out of a nextint() for a long time. I'd say just renumber the wrong one right now. AND THE REST OF YOU, USE THE DAMNED nextpoll=world NOT THIS MANUAL SHIT. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:12, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
That exists!? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Huh, didn't realise that was possible. Every WIGO I've added has been manual. --RWRW (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
When you edit the page, there's literally a link you can click above the edit panel that does it for you. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
lol noobs Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I never ever used those links lol. And besides, I don't see that specific tag anywhere... --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
The numbers are that high because somebody sometime accidentally added a digit, and then everyone after followed suit. And then it happened again. Avida Dollarsher again 16:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
IT'S HAPPENED AGAIN. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 14:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


What's with all the downvotes on the WIGO about Trump's veto on the Yemeni War resolution? It's a worthy story to be included on the page. Why don't people here think RW readers should know about things like this? Trump's deliberately continuing to aid the Saudi bloodbath in Yemen. That's something that should be on the WIGO page. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 02:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It's called Trump Derangemenent syndrome. Liberal and centrists are willing to support a genocidal war if Trump is against it. Tuxer (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
How backwards do you have it? The resolution was to end support for the genocidal war(though it won't actually end the war, since it's useful enough for house of saud to pay for themselves). Opposing trump and opposing genocide are in alignment today. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:01, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Like Reddit, votes are at times used to say "I (don't) like this" rather than "I (don't) think this is a (e.g.) relevant/valuable/accurate/etc. story". On top of that, anyone -- even randos popping through the site -- can vote on it, right? β„•oir LeSable (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I always took the votes to mean "I don't like this event", not "This is a good story". Is it supposed to be used for the quality of the story and not your opinion of the event? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Oof my WIGO about Biden standing in 2020 is sitting on -4. Guess there isn’t much love for Uncle Joe these days! β€”RWRW (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@RWRW It's probably because election news goes in WIGO elections. Avida Dollarsher again 16:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I also vote on whether or not I think this is a good thing - so stories bout Trump being a jerk generally get a downvote from me 'cos I don't like the crap he and his ilk keep pulling.Aloysius the Gaul 03:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Gavin Williamson: Fallout guy[edit]

1. it is Fall guy not Fallout guy 2. you are not a fall guy if you did what are accused of. who do you think he is taking a fall for? AMassiveGay (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Just posted to the WIGO[edit]

But holy shit is the republican descent into abortion madness becoming extreme. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:17, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh no![edit]

Not foods being labeled organic, when they don't actually fall into that vaguely defined meaningless category! How terrible! ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


Any news here about Modi winning reelection?

Well, if you find any feel free to post it. But post in What is going on: Elections, not here. The blue symbol links you there. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


Improvements my ass, @Nerd. β€” Oxyaena Harass 15:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Nerd vs Oxyaena[edit]

I've no idea what's going on, or why you both feel strongly about a minor wording edit, but perhaps you can discuss it here in a civilised manner. I don't want to spend my sunday evening sorting this crap out. In other news, I appear to have turned into my mother. Avida Dollarsher again 17:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Fuck off with your anal shit, this isn't Wikipedia asshole. β€” Oxyaena Harass 19:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Goddamn you, stop fucking whitewashing, @Nerd. This is not your playground, fuck off. β€” Oxyaena Harass 19:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I've run out of patience and I'm ready to Coop him. Avida Dollarsher again 20:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Is this about doing edits of WIGOs? I do that sometimes to fix grammar, spelling, or broken links; should I stop? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

2050 paper[edit]

Actually read it, please. Read the fucking paper. This is an "irreversible and self perpetuating by 2050" scenario the expand on. A common case in the literature today.

β€œβ€2050: By 2050, there is broad scientific acceptance

that system tipping-points for the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and a sea-ice-free Arctic summer were passed well before 1.5Β°C of warming, for the Greenland Ice Sheet well before 2Β°C, and for widespread permafrost loss and large-scale Amazon drought and dieback by 2.5Β°C. The β€œhothouse Earth” scenario has been realised, and Earth is headed for another degree or more of warming, especially since human greenhouse emissions are still significant.


Clickbait headlines are hell. Nowhere, not in any place do the authors project a collapse of human civilization in 2050. However, they project the irreversible climate change positive reinforcement forward to some disastrous scenarios(that could reasonably be called "collapse of civilization") by 2100. I hate the way headlines misrepresent very serious problems. Rationalwiki shouldn't be a place where dishonest headlines get reproduced verbatim. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Damn. Here I was all ready with my Interceptor and bondage gear. I just needed to wait until the right time to hoard enough gas to endlessly drive around screaming "I AM THE NIGHTRIDER!" Now my dreams are crushed.--Lgmr (talk) 22:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
The (low) chances of climate change leading to human extinction are briefly covered in Existential_risk#Climate_change. But with Extinction Rebellion and many others pushing the idea of imminent death for everybody, maybe a more in-depth article would be useful. (Is Extinction Rebellion in general worthy of critical analysis?) --Annanoon (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

police murder is worse than you think[edit]

two specific cases. 1. black guy sleeping in car shot to death by (seemingly white) police officers. 2. white woman phones in a reported rape shot to death by the responding black police officer. can you guess which one got jail time?

there is not just the obvious racial element here, the double standard in what gets punished, or race being a factor on how itchy the coppers trigger finger gets, but the right to bear arms makes police murder so much more likely.

your population is armed, so the police armed. we know the police are armed. the police however do not know who, out on the beat is armed. every person they see as they walk down the street might be armed. potentially ready to end their life. every twitch in the corner of their eye, every raised voice, every movement, every action, might be a gun being reached for. seconds to assess, react, to defend themselves with lethal force. they are trained to be ever ready, ever vigilant, constantly searching, day in day out. trained to respond with lethal force - not de-escalation, but lethal, and to make certain it is lethal, force.

this is not community policing, this is an occupying force. they are to serve and protect the community, but the community is the enemy. any one could put a bullet in their heads, the guy in shadows, him with a newspaper under his arm. the young mother might have a shotgun in her pram.

the population reacts accordingly. interactions with police require no sudden movements. raising your voice might be seen as readying to attack. you are a threat cuffed and face down on the floor. you are threat when sleeping in your car. tipping your hat to an officer as you walk past gets you shot. opening the door to the officer sent to house after you've been swatted is the last thing you ever do.

neither police or their communities trust each other. there is mutual fear of each other. everyone is on edge. police are more and more militarised. negative stories in press about police brutality. the lack of oversight. community outrage at senseless deaths. always ramping up tension. racism in all its forms, exasperating things.

all enabled by a right to bear arms. to protect you from your government. and you are shot taking nap.

this might be hyperbole from a fucknut across the pond, where only the most egregious cases make it, but holy shit theres so many cases. how close to reality is all this? is it even close? AMassiveGay (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Cops are intimidating, so while it may not exactly describe the reality of the matter, at least for middle class neighborhoods like the one where I live, the ghetto is a different story entirely, in poverty-stricken areas it is incredibly close. Poor people in general get the jackboot. β€” Oxyaena Harass 17:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
My sister and I had a discussion on how the gun culture exacerbates the police problem and is an overlooked aspect. It's not a discussion I get to talk about a lot especially since anti police seems to be a stronger in RationalWiki. It's a vicious cycle. The media sensationalize police brutality rather than promotes police doing their job as it's a shocking story that gets views, but it feeds into the perception that the police are aggressive and even come with conspiracies that they serve state interests before the community. So in turn, since they can't trust the police, they turn to guns and get brainwashed by the idea of self defense and vigilantism and evil government, both which interfere with police work, but the police have the added burden of assuming everyone is armed. This in turn causes police to act violently to avoid potential gunshot wounds, turning the community even more distrustful of police, racism making it worse. A lot of anti police sentiment I've seen stemmed from negative experience but anecdote is powerful. This could also be a chicken and egg problem though. I'm not sure what came first, fear of police or fear of community, but it's clear that gun culture is making it all worse. There's also the problem with community resources and how somewhat decentralized police departments are, as police departments do vary in policy and training quality and how they manage crime, though it leads to people generalizing all 1.1 million police as if they're from the same department and are in the same community, and good jobs by police are either dismissed as "puff pieces" or "they are from affulent communities and serve affulent people". Poverty and racism are related though, and since those two are related to crime, with poverty nearly always increasing crime and racism leading to more blacks incarcerated, with gun culture being a massive problem, it's complicated and I really don't think sharing stories of police killing people is helping at all. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Strongly agree. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I disagree with the not sharing stories of police killings. if they don't get spread, the issues presented wont be addressed. its easy to think things aren't an issue if its not in your community. its easy to dismiss anger in communities where it does as uppity rabble rousers who bring things on themselves. after all they've had no problems. the police reaction to a lot of objectively awful things that they have done does not help. its often sporadic. ranks are closed. investigation of the issues involved is dropped in favour of stone walling. genuine self defense cases then get conflated with cases of clear abuse an the specifics are lost when all the info given by the police is effectively 'we killed another one of you'. I understand (or more likely misremember. its in the guardian if its a thing) that instances of police killing people, for whatever reason, are often not recorded, or not data is not uniformly collected or of sufficient detail. if they are not, it means they are doing nothing. a them and us attitude should be resisted, but theses times...its dizzying to think of the different things effecting everything else, and it all varying city to city, state to state. the inertia of the system, and every year seems an election year. its daunting. American politics seems insane to me on every level. I look at it and I look at the limbo of Brexit Britain and I can see why people just seem to pick a side. you can at least feel part of a team. your attention can focused. all I got is impotent despair and crushing indecision. AMassiveGay (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't agree either that bad press is inherently bad but it still has that effect of feeding into biases about the police and help convince people along the way to own a gun and continue distrusting the police, which in turn makes the police's job harder. This is like the press reporting on airplane crashes and convincing people to drive and increase their risk of getting killed. I also think the press is really quick to jump on what the police did and it's really easy to avoid reflecting about the really complicated situation the police is in and the psyche of both parties. I mean, both sides must've had a torrent of thoughts and made several difficult snap decisions that ended in tragedy, and this isn't how a lot of people think about when they read the press about the police. The press shouldn't avoid doing the job of reporting, but maybe it's just an overall problem of people being unable to reflect on how everything happened? The stone-walling, however, is almost always bad and I think the police there should be sanctioned for lethal force. The police relationship with the community is a very gray area issue and has no real easy solutions. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
How exactly do you take the guns away though? Right wing nuts would revolt the second you actually tried to pass that. I hear them bragging here where I work about how they would like to "see them try to take my guns." There would be a blood bath of unprecedented (at least for the US) scale. They are ravenous, unhinged, and vicious. I've seen one of the people at my work threaten a teenager with a shotgun because the kid scratched his car. Think he wouldn't shoot a federal officer trying to take his gun? Dude it fucking sucks, but I worry the politics are just deadlocked forever. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
@MirrorIrorriM I think all those gun nuts are adorably naive. They all seem to think that the government coming after them (for whatever reason) will be a repeat of Ruby Ridge. They're idiots. If the government wanted to eliminate an armed and entrenched threat they'd launch Air-to-Surface missiles from UAV, not send in infantry. Gun nuts still think in terms of the 1930s while in reality a 5 man team with a computer and a UAV could eliminate them with little effort. TL;DR, technology has advanced and gun nuts' fixation on automatic firearms has made them blind to how truly obsolete their little toys actually are. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh they would lose by far, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't kill a lot of people first. The people I'm thinking of are so callous they would act on a "you're with me or you're against me" mentality. If you don't try to support them, they would shoot you for being a traitor or some shit. I tend to be very soft spoken IRL, so I often make a lot of friends. I've had one say to me "You and me, ****, we could go to the hills if the feds ever try to pull shit. We'd have to keep that bastard **** quiet though, he'd definitely rat on us." [**** is omitted names] Several of the fucks here are like that. I love my job, but I'm scared of some of the people who work here. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It's ironic that the right wing nuts worship the police and are generally behind Blue Lives Matter but they're ultimately hurting the police. On the other hand, despite the gun culture, I've read in a statistic aggregator that police are more likely to support gun rights, more likely white, male, and if they have discharged a gun in their career. Huh. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
On a day-to-day basis for the average person? Definitely hyperbole (like, goddamn man). According to the DoJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics, only roughly 2% of police-civilian interactions led to either threats (including pointing a gun) or active use of force (including simply getting handcuffed). This isn't to say this isn't an issue -- the same statistics showed that black people were three times more likely to experience threats or force compared to white people -- but it isn't like the police orders everyone person they pull over for a broken taillight out of their car and onto the concrete. The storied history of race relations in America plays a large role in the matter as well -- Puerto Rico's police force is a festering mound of corruption, gun violence, and rivers of blood, but nobody gives a shit about them. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Actually, pullovers are a dangerous moment for the police. Police are put in a more vulnerable position than the person in the car, even more menacing if the police has traffic stopped someone who is DUI. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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If you put the Constitution in context, you see things like quartering British troops right next to the second amendment. The first amendment is still relevant, but the second one should be disregarded and stay in context and relevance as the third one imo. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
The Constitution is a relic of a bygone age, it was great for its time, not so much any more, it should be done away with. β€” Oxyaena Harass 12:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
The entire Constitution? Not just the bad parts? Wouldn't we just end up creating a new document with most of the same things in it? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 17:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

US State flags[edit]

I think I could try my hand at putting together a thing for US (maybe CA too) State flags, similar to the country flags and to be used alongside the US flag for more state-based stories, if desired. I think there's just a surfeit of plain US flags flooding the WIGO on items that tend to be more local in nature. β„•oir LeSable (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

As long as you don't remove the US Flag, I couldn't recognize a US state flag so to me it doesn't matter, but I can't see why not. β€” NekoDysk 22:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
The wiki has a primarily USanian audience, so it's not going to hurt. But Dysklyver, the flag from my state has a bear. Hard to forget. :P --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Can we have a Devon flag for when I WIGO my own county? Avida Dollarsher again 20:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Why not throw in a flag for Catalonia as well? Not joking. β€” Oxyaena Harass 21:03, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Is there a municipal crest aficionado in the house? Avida Dollarsher again 21:12, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Ulster bullshit[edit]

The Northern Irish story is probably fake based only on the word of a failed, homophobic sectarian politician.[1] People should consider the source of a story and evaluate its likely truthfulness. --Annanoon (talk) 18:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)