The Back Alley

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A place to sit in a dumpster with your own bottle & moan about the saloon bar

Musha rig um du rum da
Whack fol the daddy o
Whack fol the daddy o
There's whiskey in the jar

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Spoiler warnings[edit]

So, I have a new idea for a topic, but it involves posting a spoiler for a video game that was recently published. How do I properly mark spoiler alerts? --Luigifan18 (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I would imagine you could put it in the topic header or beyond that, if you want you could collapse it. Chillpilled (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

rationalwiki-tan[edit]

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I know, I know, I'm bad at drawing. But I drew a little RationalWiki os-tan! :D she's got goat horns, goat eyes, and a sysop pin! i've had this idea in my head for a while but only drew it today. (mainly because i didn't know if there already was a rationalwiki-tan) --Chicken4War (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks cute! --Goatspeed. E pluribus unum🇺🇸CircularREmail2.gifasoning🇺🇸🇺🇸-->See my experiments 19:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
She's freaking adorable… are those little goat horns? --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Neat. Carthage (talk) 00:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, for goat's sake…[edit]

Not sure, but I mean, fuck you guys[edit]

How difficult would it be to live and post like this, as a human? Great, I've seen it and now what? Torrent (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

What? Carthage (talk) 07:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
what is fine. I went for saloon bar, got locked in back alley, so that's okay. What next. Torrent (talk) 07:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
I have a space to defend myself, but you will never if you keep on the attack I am on your side. Torrent (talk) 07:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)n
I left a clue for myself, I sincerely apologize. I was blacked out last time I was here, and confused about it. I read my blackout diary, which I'm not really brave enough to read most nights. So again, I'm really actually sorry, I'm fully aware of how to reach this page now. fuck me, is the answer. Torrent (talk) 05:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Great, there's no context for this ranting and now I'm hopelessly confused. --Luigifan18 (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Knocking on the Nut Trees[edit]

As for that OCD of mine that causes intrusive thoughts and FUD, sometimes I end up knocking on wood on a very sensitive topic, usually involving nutpicking or involving a taboo conversation, that causes offense for those that are actually vulnerable. It feels like a lose-lose situation for me where either I end up ruminating on the thought for weeks, or I share a controversial opinion and get rudely hounded by those with differing views on the subject. This is effectively equivalent to choosing between intimidation and self-censorship, something that genuinely damages academic free discourse and democratic governance. What should I do here come time I wish to knock on the nut trees? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 14:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

The way I deal with this is that I have a working assumption that no 'sensitive' topic is discussed with anyone unless it is proven to be 'safe' to do so. This is a variant of the old adage 'never discuss money, politics or religion' which I was taught on almost my first day in the workforce waay too long ago now - that as you cannot really choose who you work with, it's best to avoid topics which can put others' backs up. The answer is simple here; don't try to discuss such topics with people you don't know well.
Perhaps the easiest way to deal with this is to utilise such features such as Reddit's 'changemyview' or 'unpopularopinion' subs [perhaps 'AMIA' if it involves you doing something or not], perhaps also involving using a sock/throwaway account. Unless you truly are really unreasonable [think paedophilia apologia, organ harvesting, incest, cannibalism, genocide etc] you should be okay because while such places aren't a 'safe space' they are what I would consider 'friendly places' for these sorts of discussions. KarmaPolice (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
A topic that I have some controversial opinions on has to be with certain marginalized communities and their supporters, and specifically the most vocal, irrational, and uncritically thinking members of the bunch. The kinds of folks that attempt cancel culture, concern trolling, and/or sealioning all in the name of social justice. It's nutpicking, or rather as I'll call it, "nutcracking", but my thought process goes "If the nuts aren't cracked, then they'll contaminate the entire batch". I just don't want the nuts to take over a group, culture, or anything. Because I suspect those nuts in question will attempt to pass legislation that will mandate kowtowing to their group, while stripping away the legal rights of people for not kowtowing. Or an "The oppressed have become the oppressor, and nobody did anything to prevent it" kind of nightmare. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
If you are referring to what I think you might be [no names, no packdrill], I usually find it's more 'bad allies' who are the problem than members of the group itself [though they also often have their own nutjobs]. The problem happens with a map/territory issue; yes, you might speak of 'the LGBT community' or of 'neurodiversity' or of BAME but that hides the 'diversity within the diversity', so to speak.
After discounting the possibility that your held opinion is utterly rejected by the whole community [look, check that one out first, perhaps by asking a polite 'AITA?' question on the community's subreddit or hell, perhaps asking someone here], the chances of at least some of said group agreeing with you is somewhat decent - your opinion might be a rather small minority, but it doesn't mean it's wrong. Unless you're in somewhere utterly demented, some small group managing to persuade a larger group of politicos to impose that viewpoint on everyone is pretty low. Now, them taking over informal places like say groups, online forums etc are quite possible [I have been 'exiled' from a few over the years due to various heresies] but y'know, they rarely if ever actually have any much effect on the real world?
Unless you're dealing with nuttery within your own community, the best you can realistially do is to politely point out to people in general that you know 'not all Xs think like that' - one line which has stuck in my head is 'As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents' [George Orwell] and it equally applies if you replace 'Socialism' with any movement you'd care to name. KarmaPolice (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Either way, thanks for the advice. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 09:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Template tinkering[edit]

I have this messagebox I was tinkering with just in case I need to bust some nuts.
Warning icon orange.svg Warning: Nutpicking ahead!

Nuts on Spice Bazaar in Istanbul 01.jpg

TheEternalOutsider (talk) 20:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Can I mention the 'Dead Dove' meme (as possibly relevant). Anna Livia (talk) 23:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


Part 2[edit]

There are a few other things I am concerned about in life regarding possible evil people. First, there's the concern of Machiavellian bad faith trolls that exploit social media mobs and/or courts to cancel or financially damage people just because they're power-hungry misanthropes and/or sadists who seek glee from other people suffering. They pretend to be a member of a marginalized group and sealion their way into a field. When called out, they immediately pull out the victim card and accuse the user of hate, siccing mobs of uncritically thinking social media hounds to harass them and demand cancellation or firing from their jobs, or abusing the TOS of sites that explicitly prohibit hate to deplatform them. Alternatively, they feign their persona and take the situation to court with their accusations, not because they want to win, but just to burden their victim with a hefty legal fee that damages them for the rest of their lives. The concern only gets worse when administrators are manipulated into the troll's side, effectively gaming the system and obstructing justice for the targeted victim, leaving the victims helpless against a kangaroo court of moderators.

Furthermore, there's the concern of folks increasingly wishing to close off all channels of expression into "safe spaces", or basically echo chambers. This effectively causes people to walk on eggshells just to avoid offending anyone, for they will simply use the "safe space" excuse or the former Machiavellian foulness above to cause trouble, and opening even more platforms to pervert moderators into hapless pawns that serve them and only them. (And just because I have a few niche opinions too is just enough of an excuse for these bad faith individuals to harass and ban me from places by the logic above.)

Are these evil folks real, or is my brain creating a new enemy out of past experiences with zero tolerance policies and schools who were favoritist towards some people over others? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 06:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I detest the lack of specifics when it comes to these rumors because it starts to look like something similar to suspicions of a 'cultural marxist boogeyman' that's said to exist and rear its head to frighten the children but in reality often never does. There is an import in naming names and pointing out events rather than being evasive and creating these creatures of the night that inevitably end up poisoning the well in discourse in the future. Remember, radical feminists exist, but to someone who has only heard of things from the right, every feminist is a 'radical feminist', until educated on those specifics and their strawmen properly investigated. Do not be afraid of naming people, because surely if you had a cogent argument there is no fear in doing so. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 05:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

How have you done this? A love letter to the term Ass-holy[edit]

Assholy, that's objectively very funny, I will probably use it , but I won't call it my own, it is such a funny pun. I don't want anyone to worry about me, it's been a long time since I've cared about that baby needs mommy bullshit. I did have to learn it. But the real problem is I remember all of it. Every emotion has been had, every emotion I read from every girl I've ever swooned over, and it's a lot. The more I've seen, the worse I feel about opening my mouth on a situation that concerned them a lot more than it concerned me. every emotion is like opening a big treasure chest of misunderstandtings that nobody can dig into with me, because the more I agree, the less I exist. I agree that maybe I get feelings for a girl because I am attracted to girls, and it's really hard for me to separate physical attraction from emotional attraction. I know one girl who was an absolute babe, and she actually got so upset with me about music that she threw hands. Domestic violence is really bad, but in her defense, I was listening to a lot of ska at Tue time. Things happened, I was a young man, and words came out of my mouth. It hurt somebody in a way that I had no intention of, and for a long time I've been trying to not exist over my words worst existense.sAnd being said, it does look like there's a bullet list above something I have said, and without a signature, it looks like I said those things. They aren't awful, I am working on a tight 5, which doesn't have time for that particular ordeal, but I do have a 4 years as statute of limitiations rule for telling a joke about a person, and I do get enough when I have been the villain of a story. but I didn't say those things, and as great as I think they are, that is not my writing style and I have no ability to put a division between it or revert it. And it's disappeared, as if I'm insane. is that alright? Sheeeeesh. AssHoliness, what a great pun.Torrent (talk) 06:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Fundie God is a sadist[edit]

I think I have managed to get on top of my problem. So, here goes the fundie story: God is an omnipotent, perfect being. So, he creates everything perfectly... including Satan. Now fundies say that Satan was created good and perfect. So that begs the question, why did he fall? Many of them now start to tie themselves up in knots, citing his own ego, etc. BUT HE WAS CREATED PERFECT, so he should have no such flaws. The logical conclusion - God made him fall. Now some other fundies say that it was all part of God's plan to save the world through Christ. All right then, God allows bone cancer, leprosy, infant mortality, etc., all so that he can save the world... which he promptly forgets to do for thousands of years, in which time he is perfectly happy to let everyone worship false gods, Satan, and stuff like that. And oh, he entertains himself once in a while by paying special attention to one people, whom he gets a kick out of tormenting...

Now comes his saviour. A messiah who flies in the face of all Jewish messianic expectations, but nah, he is the correct messiah and my son and you must accept him. Now, the poor son is brutally tortured to death so that humanity can be saved... from Satan... whom God instigated. At this point the good cop bad cop thing is becoming rather evident, but I digress.

God still refuses to reveal his messiah in any logical way. We must rely on stories which cropped up hundreds of years after Jesus, four specific gospels out of a whole synod of gospels, and hundreds of other religions and claimants that seem equally if not much more credible. But no, everything else is down to Satan... whom God is very happy to give a free reign to.

The logical conclusion is, fundie God is a sadist who enjoys seeing his creation suffering, and getting into knots and killing each other over figuring out how to correctly worship him. Who knows, rather than believers, he might actually be more happy with those who figure out what a piece of work he is...

I think I can safely go back to my belief in Spinoza. MeowPurr 03:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

God cannot be perfectly all-knowing and also good, this is theodicy. Consider the lack of free will in any person's actions, from birth, hitler was destined to have the Jews killed, now if that is true and we assume people's lives follow a deterministic but still improbable path that can't be fully predicted (but can, to some degree, be predicted), then that means God planned that. Every death, every sickness, every evil that ever was, Satan's crimes? God's will, there's no way around it. Evil stems from God. God therefore, given the immensity of suffering either does not exist (the more hopeful option) or does exist, and makes you live through this mess and demands you call whatever it is good. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 06:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)