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2024 Turkey Local Election

The blurb and article are understating the victory of the opposition. CHP had won İstanbul and Ankara in 2019 (last local elections) as well.

In 2019, AKP got 39 province mayorships and their ally MHP got 11, in contrast to CHP's 21. Currently these numbers are 24, 8, 35 respectively, meaning CHP now has more mayorships than the two combined.

These results are provisional, but by this point 90% of the votes have been counted. Once the results are locked in and a news agency reports on it we should update the news item. ^{— Unsigned, by: Not BoN / talk / contribs} 22:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC) Not BoN (talk) 07:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

99.82% counted, and the BBC article itself updated. Someone update the blurb, I don't have access. I propose "The right wing authoritarian ruling party of Turkey suffers first major electoral loss in two decades of rule, with the main opposition CHP securing 35 provinces including İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir, Bursa and Antalya." Trim down as needed.Not BoN (talk) 07:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Primary news

Could someone add this? Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado's 3rd District wins GOP primary for 4th District to replace Ken Buck. https://www.cpr.org/2024/06/25/4th-congressional-district-race

Thx, LongTimeObserver (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

In relation to Mark Robinson

Hi I'm a long time lurker and this snippet "despite being an anti-LGBT candidate, said he enjoyed transgender pornography", gave me the animus to make an account specifically to say this, his queermisia and tendency to watch trans porn are not contradictory. More importantly I take issue, as a trans person, with the seeming implied sentiment that holding an attraction to trans women makes him gay? or queer? If it were trans men sure, him being attracted to men would mean that he has gay tendencies. Moving on from that I feel the need to also just say trans chasers are transphobic. See Glinner as an example. Also Raymond Blanchard. I'm not interested in saying anything about the person who wrote that, I'm just tired of seeing people talk about this subject with absolutely no understanding. LadyTalos (talk) 22:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the point is that either a) he is a hypocrite or b) it's possible his enjoyment of trans porn comes from a fairly dark place. What's more, the article only says 'trans porn'. Transman porn is pretty niche [from my understanding] but does exist and thus, he might of been enjoying that. KarmaPolice (talk) 23:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere did I call him gay. If you look at his other past comments he's pretty much opposed gay or trans people existing at all. Then he's into trans porn anyway. Yes that's hypocritical. He's also going around saying he'd ban abortion from the moment of conception if he had his way, meanwhile he got his wife an abortion in the past. Chillpilled (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You wouldn't say, "noted misogynist likes straight porn", so why are you saying "noted transphobe likes trans porn"? that just seems to show a lack of critical thinking, there's no hypocrisy there, a man who hates trans people likes material that is dehumanizing to trans people? Qu'elle surprise. What does his hypocrisy on abortion have to do with pornography? That's a non-sequitur. And I didn't say you called him gay, I said that I didn't like the seeming implication. LadyTalos (talk) 07:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It's « Quelle surprise », not « Qu'elle surprise ». I'm sorry for this useless linguistic tangent, but it really annoys me as a French speaker. Don't butcher my beautiful language! C'est compris ? 185.192.16.138 (talk) 13:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn't know French was one of Ireland's main languages... Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Find a male separatist whose religion apparently demands abolition of women, insisting he's a MGTOW gay male separatist as a result, and I'll find it humorous to note he's on some straight porn site. You say it's dehumanizing, actually I don't know the content of the videos (doubt you do either) but sex is a pretty human act, though someone going without it is no less of one. I did remove it from the entry, though for different reasons, including that the entry was getting a bit long. Chillpilled (talk) 09:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say sex is dehumanizing, I said porn is, especially trans porn. But yeah discussing this is pointless because you didn't engage in good faith throughout this whole discussion. Talking about this is pointless. LadyTalos (talk) 11:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Why would trans porn be more dehumanizing than cis porn? GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 13:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The porn of trans people made by trans people for trans people is very different from trans porn marketed towards cis people. Carthage (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

While I suspect I might regret asking this, but is there even a 'trans porn for trans people' even a thing? KarmaPolice (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Carthage (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I think if it was clearly 'cis porn' the entry would be more 'family values candidate consumes porn and has been on spouse cheating site'. The trans/homophobia elements give another angle; that if they [for example] also said how they hated 'da gays' and 'a man can't be a woman' but then was caught to enjoy trans[woman] porn, you are left with the two options [using their logic]- a) 'he's a self-hating gay because transwomen are not women' or b) 'he's a self-hating straight guy because his dick accepts transwomen as women'. Everyone likes to point out variants of Haggard's Law! KarmaPolice (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

This isn't the first report that Mark Robinson was a vociferous consumer of pornography; he was previously reported to be a very frequent customer of a porn shop in the late 1990s / 2000s. There's some "unverified leaks" beyond the CNN report that the minisoldr account on Nude Africa was into, or at least liked to tell stories about, some... *cough*... quite out there kinks (unfortunately there's no way to verify them as Nude Africa is "down for maintenance"). All of this was well before his entrance into politics, *but* so was a Facebook account where he made anti-homosexual and antisemitic posts.

One overall gets the impression of a very confused, bigoted man who (despite his minority race) took an opportunity to ride the culture war wave, which (to the shame of those North Carolina residents that propped him up) actually worked to get him the lieutenant government gig. No one would care that he liked trans porn (or any of his other alleged kinks if it was consensual) otherwise, but the fact that he was elected through bigotry (along with evangelical support, and we know how they feel about porn) makes his love of trans porn notable enough, as it is a (not unexpected) double whammy of hypocrisy.

(My wife, though, reacted much stronger to the "black Nazi" edgelord bit. Talk about not knowing your history...) BobJohnson (talk) 18:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry to inform you, but the piss kink posts from him appear to have been real. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

noted bigot liking trans porn doesnt really tell us much beyond their liking for trans porn. how what folk identify as and what they perceive others to be varies considerably from situation to situation, from the dynamics of relations between people, levels of intimacy, what they seek from encounters, what they are prepared to do etc. you can get pretty gay in real life encounters and not be at all confused about not being gay. you can get real intimate, leaving everything really sticky, and feel your masculinity at all threatened. the dynamics a little of the relationship, from anon hook ups to committed pairing, and suddenly what was fine before is super gay. anything beyond just the physical, a simple post coital 'how was it for you?' might be enough to make things a little too gay for comfort. thats just the tip of iceberg for what experiences we are open to without troubling ourselves with angst and self loathing. what one sees as gay is alot more flexible if you don think in terms of man on man action, but in terms of your own masculinity in relation to your potential partners. not gay can be as simple as being more 'man' than the other guy. how you see them, regardless of how they see themselves, that counts. physicality, personality, dress sense, anything, can make the difference between a hot and sweaty night or awkwardly not connecting and calling it a night with balls the bluest of blue. and its all situational of course.

with porn its all at arms length. you view for your pleasure gay, straight, trans, lesbian, what ever you like. you dont have to identify with any of it. do you interject yourself into the porn? is it something you'd like to do with any of the actors doing it on screen? do you imagine yourself as a particular performer? do you remain detached, as voyeur with no intention of interaction? is sweet and tender, is rough, are they really going for it? is it messy, is transgressive? once a upon a time porn was the lingerie section in the catalogue, or chancing upon someones dumped stash of readers wives in the bushes. internet porn is instantly available and of infinite variety. we are numbed to it and browsing pornhub and the more morally dubious providers means we need more and more perverse or extreme or weird porn, far beyond from what floats your boat in real life encounters.

its bizarre to me that in these super woke and progressive times, we make all kinds of assumptions based upon something as vague and undefined as liking a particular genre of porno. some fucknut liking porn of involving people they've made a career of not liking gets a raised eyebrow for sure at a perceived hypocrisy of a cynical and mercenary culture warrior but the attempts frame the revelation of an inane detail we find way more lurid than we really ought to in terms reveal how narrowly and/or how superficially we view as our territory. i often feel that we lean into academia and into party lines, too much committed to an orthodoxy, that we forget, or are oblivious to things on a human level, on a personal level to our detriment. lgbt is a broadchurch. our own journeys that bring us beneath its umbrella are as diverse as is our our understand of what being lgbt means for ourselves personally. we all want to belong, but i find myself feeling at times some of us are made to feel that we dont, that we are doing lgbt wrong. my own journey has lead to where i can understand myself as lgbt, as human being, what i am comfortable with, what i am not. i see people and their journeys, shared experience and divergence. i see people more at ease with themselves than myself, others less. there is confidence in people well in the closet, self loathing in people out and proud. we play the hands we are given. we start from different places and our paths intersect, lead in different directions, but there is enough in common that i get a sense of belonging. still. culture wars and the fucking toxicity that comes with it is doing a pretty good job of wrecking it. ideologues and true believers on our side do a better job at cutting down our own than they do taking down bigots. we have a right to exist. to live our lives in safety with respect. to be happy. we do not get this by engaging with bigots. we do not get this obsessing over twitter nazis in personal vendettas that are entirely one sided - they are not documenting your greatest hits somewhere. they do not know your name or care. we do not pick up on divergence from what we have decided is the orthodoxy by telling a trans person they are transphobic and a bigot and dont understand the 'theory' - yes i have seen this too many times right here. there is no room for nuance, no room for misunderstandings, no room difference of opinion. the theory is gospel, anything else heresy. we could try to inform and explain. perhaps they are new to theory. perhaps they are new to being trans. they dont need telling they are doing it wrong and they should feel bad. tone matters. discuss. explain. clarify. we all want the same things. make your case. but instead we draw a line in the sand and say fight me. we make clear we shall not bend. so why should they? no one is informed. misunderstandings are not corrected. the righteousness of our positions has not been proved, we just make clear different perspectives are not welcome. we make it all too much of a ball ache to want to offer an opinion. we are not dealing with terfs and nazis and bigots. stonewall those pricks sure - they arent listening just throwing out new ways to say groomer for us to document for them. we dance to their tune. we try and fight fire with fire only to invigorate and amplify their hate. we kindly document it all for them, a testament to getting under our skins, and then we treat each other how we have conditioned by them to react poorly to criticism no matter where it comes from friend or foe. combative rather conciliatory, not open to discussion, unyielding, no give and take. we should be building alliances and making common cause.

lgbt are people. trans people are people. a diverse people. that diversity is our strength. human experience. personal lived experience. thats how we understand ourselves and how we relate to others. show how the academic relates to their lives. show the common ground amidst the wealth of diverse people. show each other there are people living their lives behind the rhetoric, that we wont beat them over the head with how they dont understand the intricacies of gender theory and sexuality and all its infinite variety. we are not good at that. we are too focused on trolls screeching about groomers and asking what is a women. the mistake was thinking anyone should give a shit. they are not ones drafting hateful legislation. they are not the ones whose support we need to win over, to show hate wont win votes. most dont hate trans people, but the toxicity infects everything - they will sit this out as a result. humanise us. make them care.

this requires dialogue. this requires acknowledging fears invalid or valid. it requires understanding the hang ups everyone has over all things sexuality. but we cannot do that if we dont understand our own hang ups and fears or we dont recognise our own diversity. thinking someones preference for a porn genre has significance with little to no detail of relevance tells me this. our own expressions of the much vaunted 'ick factor' at someones kinks tells me this. that none of that should matter, but still our distaste is made evident. lots of things matter that shouldnt matter. somethings matter in some situations but not in others. others would only matter in circumstances that if youve gotten that far, probably dont matter as much as you might think.

a good many things, more than we want to admit, are basically concerning cock. what it means to have one and what you do with it. its something that effects how we perceive ourselves and how we are perceived. you can write off hang ups over it as terf talking points, but its just bizarre that one would not address the centrality having a cock is to all this. its fundamental to alot of folks notions of masculinity. i can tell you all now its a pretty big deal for the gays having a cock and being willing and able to wield it. being willing but unable emasculates and shames beyond all rhyme or reason. there are no shortage of transwomen in proud possession of cock, more than willing and able to use it. being willing and able to use ones cock without consent is rape. for some men with or without consent is irrelevant. its an expression of their masculinity. impregnating the women has been the method of male domination for centuries. its a weapon of war. a crime against humanity. terf talking point for sure, but there is reason why that is. almost daily there are headlines of rapists abound, the police infected with a rape culture, the courts failing to prosecute, the shame and stigma traumatising victims. its not so much what is a woman, but more what is a man, and at a fundamental level, for a lot of people having a cock is the defining feature. and men rape. whether a fear of rape is overstated or not, it is a prevalent one. for good many people, how you identify is irrelevant. you got a cock you are man if you are man you are a rapist. noise about toilets and groomers give you lines so easy to push. cock is central to human society in one way or another. but we are baffled by trans porn and insist genitalia does not matter but it does. it shouldnt but it does. why it does and how to deal with it is not done by complaining of terf talking points. we would know this if were more open to discussion, to hearing concerns of actual people, whether cis or trans. if we were more forgiving of misconceptions and our failings. and more honest of our own. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

"Mayor of only Muslim-run city in the US"

That being Ameer Ghalib. Trump gets a ringing endorsement from someone who apparently thinks of Jews as "monkeys" and Black people as "animal and inhuman". He may have missed Islam's denunciation of racism. Chillpilled (talk) 15:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

most loyal follwers

i dont really do twitter so i dont know if im correct here, but that tweet of trump thanking someone for support - thats an automated reply right? the tweet ends with 'Reply #stop to opt-out.' like get on emails sent out automatically from something you subscribed too. can you do that with tweets? is that hat is happening here? what im saying is it isnt donald trump personally replying to someone called rapingrumia if its an automated response in which case whats the point of the wigo? AMassiveGay (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's automated. I don't believe he even operates his own account anymore, it's probably completely managed by staff. Chillpilled (talk) 22:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Georgian elections entry

Could a link be put to the RW 'vatnik' entry as it is not mentioned in the article quoted, and many English speakers will not know what it means, and may 'see' a party name to be capitalised as such. Anna Livia (talk) 14:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)