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Yep, republicans are literally anti-democracy.[edit]

Sure, Trump's statement was a joke. But can you imagine any president past or present joking about destroying American democracy? The amount the republicans have done in my state(along with many others) to disenfranchise as many people as possible gives an eerie fucking backdrop to "jokes" like that one. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 16:05, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Well there were candidates that wanted to deny the vote to people on account of race or gender. But that was mostly before those people were considered people. Worzelpete (talk) 18:10, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, besides Trump encouraging his supporters to intimidate voters at the polls or the increasingly draconian voter ID laws and budget cuts to polling stations, Indiana Indiana has begun to use state police officers to raid voter registration drives. So I will reiterate, don't give these bastards a dollar.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 22:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Just how exactly does one engage in "voter intimidation"? We hear that phrase bandied about quite a bit. As to the state police, if they aren't enforcing state laws, what are they supposed to do?procure hookers for the Governor?nobs 23:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
The way we do it down here in the Deep South, anybody brown come to vote, you badger them to show ID and prove they're not illegal. It's easier if you have a few visibly armed Sobchak types with you.
As for staties, I don't know about where you live, but down here they're mostly for show. Slip 'em a few dollars and they'll fuck off. If it's county or townie cops, it depends on how friendly you are with the local Sheriff. --Castaigne2 (talk) 00:49, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Everywhere I've lived, it's an inverse pyramid. The big city cops are the best trained and most professional; the county cops are misfits booted-off the big city force, or wannabes' who couldn't make it. And the state cops are the bottom of the barrel who couldn't make it as city cops or county cops.nobs 01:33, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Now they have come for the Jews[edit]

So Cenk Uygur had a good segment on how Trump has normalized anti-Semitism in the US; he uses several clips and screencaps of Trump and his supporters spouting anti-Semitic stereotypes.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 06:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Cenk Uygur is a fucking communist.nobs 08:08, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Uh... [citation needed] (talk) 08:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
We're living in the Age of Clinton. It doesn't have to be true. It should be enough that I said it. nobs 09:33, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Y'know, RobS, you can be quite the polemicist. I don't why you brought up the Clintons or why Cenk being a supposed communist matters (he's not, btw) about a video about how Trump is helping anti-Semitism grow in the US.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 05:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Commie agitprop.nobs 10:47, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
If I were to associate the maxim "It doesn't have to be true. It should be enough that I said it." with one side in the current Presidential race, it wouldn't be with Clinton. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
http://rabuyonline.com/image/cache/data/inventory/215a-300x300.jpgVulpius (talk) 18:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
So does anyone actually want to discuss their thoughts about the reemergence of anti-Semitism in the Right in the US?--Owlman (talk) (mail) 18:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Sure, it's an inevitability of treating "politically incorrect" like a positive as was started in the 90s and normalized in the generation born at that time(and raised by republicans). ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Sure but this seems to have spiked so quickly. I mean David Duke actually qualified for a platform at the Louisiana Senate debate at a historically Black college. I, personally, haven't meet many Jews but people in the country around are deeply anti-Semitic now; I have heard people say that they one the Fed and Hollywood. It was probably always like this, but it was never this open and normalized.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 18:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I am just glad that Jews today have a place where they can go if anti-Semitism gets into a position of power. Worzelpete (talk) 19:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think antisemitism is unique here but is part of a wider resurgence of racism & xenophobia: stuff that's been been bubbling up for a long time & is now coalescing. Factors include (but not limited to): The cultural shift whereby political correctness & multiculturalism became establishment values (at least superficially) & conversely intolerance, misogyny & bigotry came to be seen as edgy, rebellious & 'just telling it like it is'. 4chan culture which exemplifies this as well as celebrating bad taste & nihilistic irony (i.e. blurring the lines between legit hate speech & trollololing) & which gave birth to Gamergate & the alt-right. + Movements, politicians & pundits who have made certain forms of (barely concealed) racism socially acceptable by framing them as legitimate political concerns (Islamophobia, Birtherism, refugees, secure the border, etc). WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 21:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Well it hasn't helped that neoliberals have used minority representation as a mask for privatization (just look at charter schools). When the largely racist/sexist/homophobic etc conservative working class Whites see their wealth decline while certain minorities rise, they get upset at the wrong people and begin to want them suppressed. Another misdirection is immigration where you see corporations exploiting immigrants but these working class Whites see the immigrants at fault for taking their jobs. On political correctness, I have always found the argument that overusing racist (or some other similar word) as an insult causes people to no longer believe that they can avoid being discriminatory and, therefore, become openly discriminatory to be interesting but never overly compelling.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 23:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I do not think pointing out racism is ever an excuse for people being more racist. Worzelpete (talk) 21:56, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Certainly not, but racism has been commonly used as an insult and many people understand racism as an overt and explicit form of discrimination, most obviously by law. If this is your understanding than concepts like structural discrimination, White savior mentality, dog whistles, prejudice plus power, etc will seem like "political correctness" that goes too far. Again, this is just an idea that seems like it has some merit but I wouldn't stress it too much.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 02:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I would say, looking back on this, it's a ripe irony that anyone criticized Rep. Omar for speaking out critically of the Israeli government and their lobbying. Pere Ubu (talk) 19:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The electoral college[edit]

So apparently you do not believe the electoral college has anything to do with race or gender... Need I remind you of my essay? Worzelpete (talk) 20:21, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The recount[edit]

How does that work? Inconsistencies are discovered meaning you can't look into it in depth? I would think that places where inconsistencies (and be it only 156 789 votes in one tabulation and 156 790 in another) arise are those that are looked at extra carefully. Remember that Austria went to three rounds over something that "could have been" inconsistencies and glue for mail in ballots. Worzelpete (talk) 04:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

According to the fake news website Sorcha Faal, the recount strategy was to delay certifications til after Dec 13, cause after that date electors could not participate in the Dec 19 Electoral College vote. Now that a federal judge has ended the Michigan recount, we'll never know how many illegal votes were tabulated in Detroit. nobs 02:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)–
Isn't it insane to vote in November and have the inauguration in January and then never use all the time this gives us? I mean we could leisurely count the national popular vote and hold two runoffs in all the time from November to January. Worzelpete (talk) 02:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
One of these days, on January 19th before Inauguration, China is gonna invade Taiwan, Putin the Ukraine, and Obama will bomb Racca. All the new president's plans will have to take a backseat. nobs 02:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
A small part of me wished that would happen the rest of my Brain is Panicking at that idea.--Benaresh (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Should we keep it on the front page?[edit]

Should we keep WIGO Elections on the front page? I mean, it hasn't had any new updates in over a month, and it doesn't look like it will until the next election cycle. Maybe make it a recurring feature during elections, and otherwise relegate it like WIGO Conservapedia and WIGO Citizendium? KevinR1990 (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Tought the same.--Benaresh (talk) 08:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree, but inertia prevails... (talk) 12:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, as if on cue, someone posts news from the French election. Guess we'll be covering that until May. KevinR1990 (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Having just commented out a trio of posts about Alabama from WIGO World, I'm starting to doubt the value of this page. It exists, it's easy to find the link, but still people don't use it for election stuff. So let's just drop the whole think and accept election news on World, because that's what people are doing anyway. (talk) (Sophie) 13:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Iran has elections in May. The election of Trump evidently is shaking things up. Anybody have a good source to monitor daily? Google seems to bring back rather generic stuff about party ideologies, etc. nobs 20:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Can't help you with that nobs. However i think you found some possible Gold i always wondered how Iran works and this Article seems geniunly informative--Benaresh (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, turns out reneging on a deal with a country for cheap political points empowers factions that hate you. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:35, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

How the party or Farage will benefit from this backtracking is unknown...[edit]

...is just complete arse. I mean, why do you think the Brexit party, a party whose sole reason for being is to bring about Brexit, would not wish to split the vote with the one party that is assured to bring about Brexit? its a tough one, granted, but the answer is right there in the party name, and its literally explained in the article. AMassiveGay (talk) 17:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Somehow, maybe, I think that occured to him in the months before now. It seems pretty obvious something happened to make him concede his bargaining chip to the Tories this early into the campaign. Minish (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
From what he said in his speech (which is similar to what I’ve been thinking for a couple of weeks) standing against the Tories in England (specifically the south of England) will only open the door to vote splitting which could help the Lib Dems win some seats. Its as much of a middle finger to Swinson as it is Corbyn. --RWRW (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Israeli election[edit]

Gantz got the Joint List to sign on, he's got his majority. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/03/netanyahu-rival-gantz-secures-61-majority-form-government-200315163518066.html (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Trump lawyers now blatantly asking for immunity[edit]

Does this amount to admitting that he could be charged, legally? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/12/politics/temporary-presidential-immunity-jay-sekulow-supreme-court/index.html (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Trump´s postponing the U.S elections[edit]

What do you guys think? I don´t trust it for a single second. (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Blaze_Zero

He can't do it by himself. Only the Congress has the authority to change the election date, and Democrat controlled house isn't going to.Coigreach (talk) 15:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Even if he still believes the office of the president to be on par with the powers of the autocrats he openly admires and actually thinks he can put off his doom with a later election date, this is mainly him flipping the board the same as before and after he won in 2016: he's giving himself an out so he can salvage his ego if the results say something other than everyone loves him. There will be no delayed election short of an asteroid, he's just crying foul. Artificius (talk) 01:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
So, he's just bluffing again? (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC) Blaze_Zero
I think so: he's either thinking out loud, bluffing, or legitimately trying to push his luck and test the limits of his power. My money's on shades of the first two because he's a spin doctor and I've gotta believe he's learned by now that being president of the United States isn't like being president of the Russian Federation. He couldn't even force his own party out of the gate on Obamacare. Artificius (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Trump’s attempts to delay the election have nothing to do with Covid. His motivations are entirely selfish. Big surprise there, right? ._. (talk) 18:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Counting votes in less than 48 hours?[edit]

So, here is Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) proposing a bill that would force mail-in ballots to be counted within 24 hours of ballots closing, with anything not counted in that time being ignored - in the sarcastically named Help America Vote Act of 2020. Opinions? RationalSpanish (talk) 19:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Shameless attempt by Republicans to rig the election.—Tuxer (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)