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Magic Nerds mad about tiddies[edit]

A creator from the Wizards of the Coast creator program has been fired for allegedly sexualising the game with her onlyfans content and antifeminist chuds are blaming it on her being 'too hot so feminists shut her down' instead of a corporate decision about their image. Read the comments on this Source: https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/07/03/wizards-of-the-coast-removes-lizbeth-eden-from-magic-creator-program-for-photos-featuring-nudity-and-sexualized-posing/ — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Do book reviews go in the clogosphere?[edit]

If so, here's a good one, from a soldier in the Spanish Civil War. Enjoy! — Unsigned, by: 2001:8003:59db:4100:c477:8214:79d9:b102 / talk / contribs

Spells coming through your tv screen[edit]

Why do they think you have wear a Victorian witch costume to cast spells? Didn't they know that God's Not Dead casts a spell to turn your children into shrimp-eating, mixed-cloth-wearing, hell bound sinners? There's even an atheist on screen! ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The "concerned Texas mother" who posted this is literally a farmer, so obligatory Blazing Saddles.
(I haven't seen the sequel, but I have caught enough of the original Hocus Pocus on the teevee. The real "devil's bargain" must be in how many souls were sold in order for that hot mess of a movie to actually become popular...) (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

A lot of people seem to think Elon Musk buying Twitter heralds the return of Trump and associated ills[edit]

Is that true? I'm genuinely curious. I know where Musk's political loyalties lie, but the resulting PR would be a disaster. Then again, Musk is a literal proll, so I'm not sure he'd even care. Vee (talk) 17:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I kinda hope his stewardship of the platform renders the whole industry toxic, well more toxic than it currently is. So much so, that it becomes financially untenable. Implodes in a glorious display of human selfishness and narcissism, to fizzle out impotent and spent like MySpace is today. (Undecided if I'm referring to Twitter itself, all of social media or simply Elon Musk. Why not all three.)
Bloody hell, can you believe we can now look back at Myspace with slight misty eyes nostalgia? Don't, it was just as shite Cardinal Chang (talk) 18:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Musk already is having to calm down advertisers, to point out one aspect.
The other aspect that I think doesn't come easily to those who babble about politics all day: most social media users don't post about politics. Judging by the relative low traffic of most "conservative" political social media sites, my hunch is that most of the reason is not because of "censorship" of viewpoints, because there are plenty of outlets for free-for-all political discussion of any political orientation where "censorship" doesn't apply. Rather, I suspect that politics is not what most people want to use social media for. It's to keep in touch with friends, post funny memes, listen to tunes, and the like. "Social shit". No duh.
It's my theory for one reason why Tiktok has succeeded of late: anecdotally, their algorithmic feed seems very good at pushing the dumb but fun meme crapola. (There obviously is toxicity on Tiktok especially if you look for it, but whenever I've browsed Tiktok's main feed, admittedly not much, it seems rather clear of a lot of the political talking head bullshit brigade as well as the anger karma farming. My experience is limited here, though, so corrections welcome.) Whereas Facebook is dying, with a reputation of pushing toxic content and anger karma farming into people's feed whether people wanted it or not.
In other words, what Musk is buying Twitter for is not what I postulate as a successful formula for a successful social media site these days... which would really be, for your algorithmic stuff, downplay the anger shit, upvote the cute cats and whatnot. And don't let the algorithm interfere with the personal connection (as Facebook really annoyingly does now).
It's actually worse for Twitter in a sense, because he's become a toxic repulsive tech bro symbol to many. And since I bet he won't be able to bring back all the racists from Parler/Gab/etc. due to advertiser pressure, I bet he'll also tick off "conservatives" too. We'll see. (talk) 19:49, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
the reasons people prefer not to post political stuff on social media is because they fear the harassment that comes with it, according to the article you cite. also, not posting political content says little about consuming political content, or that social media is not all equal. if i wished to share photos of my niece and nephew, i would not be posting them on twitter or youtube. my hot take on the issues of the day, though - #what i think. i would also not bother responding to a youtube video via youtube video of my own. i would not bother watching a youtube video that i thoroughly disagree with. not all the way through. 10 mins easnt exactly a long time, but its long enough to prevent all but already interested bother. a tweet take a second or two to read to consume and a second or two to respond, and i dont have to worry about the lighting and the sound and does my hair look alright. i would not do any of this via tiktok either. its not really twitter with videos because the video component removes the immediacy of twitter. its not really youtube either, as the short length of the videos are not really enough for effort of producing a video that says anything more than look at me. 'look at me' is the reason for the tik tok, being visually and sonically interesting is the name of the game not your politics. that, and tiktok is chinese and there are alot chinese people on tiktok.
Twitter does not mean the death of facebook, tiktok does not mean the death of youtube. they all serve different purposes, used and consumed in different ways by different people. they can all exist in their own space alongside each other. as much as their owners would like no one site is a one stop shop for all ones social media needs. if facebook dies it will because of the rise of a better facebook not because of twitter or tiktok. if twitter dies, it will be because of a better twitter.
twitters problem, now musks problem is advertising revenue. ad revenue has dropped significantly as a result of the pandemic. facebook and instagram are better and bigger mediums for businesses to spend their advertising budget on, and dont have the same kind of toxicity problems that twitter has, and twitter has a tiny userbase by comparison. letting nazis tweet risk shrinking their userbase so less ad revenue, hence musk is talking about subscriptions. but who would pay to use twitter? AMassiveGay (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Sure. "Politics" has a special meaning on social media though: a bunch of people IN A RAGE POSTING ALL-CAPS BULLSHIT WHO ARE MAD AS HELL AND POST ABOUT *EVERYTHING* AS POLITICS EVEN IF IT IS NOT!!!! (Insert deranged personal attack here) It gets tiresome *real* fast when someone on general social media babbles about politics all of the time, especially if they are mad and not very coherent. A lot of these types are *really* engaged and it thus tends to warp any primitive "engagement" algorithm, so on something like Facebook people you tangentially know (or even bullshit clickbait posted by God knows who) tended to be prioritized over the normal updates you previously got from close friends. Basically, it's the r/TheDonald problem Reddit had (where their high "engagement" flooded the general feeds with bullshit), but it equally applies to those affected with "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Obviously many people have a political side but from what I see most people are more subtle or a little more nuanced, IMHO, it's more like maybe "let's check out this commentator I agree with" every once in a while or post a news article here and there. There's a correlation between "high engagement" and "high asshole factor".
I kind of agree with this article that over the last decade there has been a shift from the text-dominant social media of the past to video (and pictures). This shift does not bode well for the text-oriented Twitter in the first place. (Add to this the fact that Twitter previously had VineWikipedia, which should have fitted the times perfectly, and killed it for some reason.)
But social media platforms actually can rapidly decline if a major change causes user revolt or if something way improved comes along. Myspace "died" when Facebook came and was better (and new owner Rupert Murdoch desperately tried to flood MySpace with ads for teh revenuez). Tumblr "died" when The Powers That Be decided to ban porn on the platform. Digg "died" when a redesign was horribly botched.
Twitter's base from my perspective was celebrities, journalists, and other people of news and culture and whatnot. It was in trouble before Musk precisely due to the r/TheDonald type problem of lots of "highly engaged" assholes who often formed mobs that attacked not only each other but the high-profile content drivers. ("Celeb XYZ deletes Twitter account due to harassment / abuse" was not an uncommon news story of late.) Opening the floodgate to even more highly engaged assholes, charging celebrities (who generate the content non-assholes actually might be "highly engaged" by) for a "verified" check box, and firing half your employees (many who probably have the skills to create whatever the next Twitter will be)... well, at this point I'd put the odds on Twitter having a Digg-style exodus higher than the odds of Twitter thriving. It may still be around, of course, but it could be a wasteland. We'll see. (talk) 15:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
[EC] There's also the non-corporate alternatives where some (maybe especially technical) people go when pushed to finally abandon Twitter. Mastodon (decentralized Twitter alternative sometimes described as "Twitter without Nazis") has so far gained roughly 200000 users since Musk completed the Twitter buy.[1] But while a very big increase for Mastodon, it's a tiny drop for Twitter. Still, Musk certainly seems to boost the chances of decentralized, non-corporate and non-profit alternatives eventually becoming big in the mainstream, more than anything before him. As a reaction to him (a little like with Microsoft and software development forges). --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

the BBC...[edit]

...does not imply anything at all regarding the gender recognition reform bill. the bbc does not in any way imply it will lead to men harassing anyone in restrooms at all. the bbc is not continuing any sort of 'tradition' of transphobia in the uk media in any way.

what the bbc is doing is reporting about the passage of the bill through holyrood, about the current law, the proposed reforms. and the significant controversy around the bill within the snp itself, between the scotish and uk governments, within the UN even, and the grounds for potential legal challenges floated by its supporters and detractors depending on if it passes or not.

this clog does trans people a disservice by instead of railing against those oppposing this bill with transphobic arguments, it has us attack the bbc instead in a gross example of shooting the messenger.

the clog is dogshit misrepresenting both the article and the bbc itself. do people even read the articles they post here? AMassiveGay (talk) 11:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Agreed here, the BBC has run some dogshit transphobic stuff, but this is not one of them. All the bathroom stuff comes from JK Rowling so I adjusted the clog to reflect that. BobJohnson (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I was going to pipe in that the article wasn't about the BBC. You could say, "Why does the BBC present both sides" but at that point it's not really a CLOG thing and you can rebut that too. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

New clogs[edit]

I see I’m not the only one who follows Jason Campbell’s Twitter account for new Clog entries lol. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 10:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad Media Matters exists to document this shit (っ◔◑◔)っ β™₯ Natsuki Marx β™₯ (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)