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Take a look at this[edit]

I dont care about conspiracies, but there are very strong arguments in this video favoring the controlled demolition theory. [1] — Unsigned, by: 37.135.106.133 / talk

Don't care to respond, just for archiving. Zero (talk - contributions) 22:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

This website has actual interviews with Pentagon witnesses and proves the witnesses describe a flight path that is not consistent with the official story.[edit]

Here is a link directly to the interviews: http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/official-interviews

Here's a link to their video: http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/videos/national-security-alert

This is independent, verifiable research that shows every single Pentaqon witness describes the plane traveling in a path that is not consistent with the official story - the official story says light poles were knocked down as a result of the plane, but the path that all witness describe is not in the path of those light poles. The exact path of the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon has been released by the government, but that path does not match up with any witnesses.

Here's an extremely detailed post with info on nearly every Pentagon witness.

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=1863

Here's a debunking of attempted debunking of the CIT claims.

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=959

This is verifiable evidence of a coverup at the Pentagon. I don't know how to do wiki write-ups, but it seems like the part of the article on flight 77 should be changed. 97.70.1.221 (talk) 21:04, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

What I'm wondering is what ship the cruise missile was launched from that hit the Pentagon. Is there anything on that?Roo (talk) 16:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Easy, it was a spaceship like this one.They couldn't see it because the invisible mode was activated. Anir (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

9/11's plane phases through building[edit]

This discussion was moved here from Saloon bar.

Absolutely _no one_ was ever able to explain why that is. It doesnt crash into the building at all. It phases through, as if it isnt even there, but edited in. The "plane" is on the layer behind the tower. Only when you see the nose of the plane do you ACTUALLY SEE THE EXPLOSION. Honestly, this cognitive dissonance is rediculous. No one can even explain this, just brand me off as a nut. Explain it for once.— Unsigned, by: 172.223.212.195 / talk / contribs

Didn't you forget something?Ariel31459 (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
His marbles from the looks of it. BicyclewheelToxic mowse.gif 10:29, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure next after we explain why (Even if I dont know why right off the bat) you're gonna ask why most non-news footage has the camera panning of losing focus when the planes actually to hit, despite the fact that people pointed out the plane? Not a lot of people are in the mood for your holier-than-thou attitude because you believe in this drivel, so any discussion you want to have, watch your temper--Spoony (talk) 22:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
you come in here with a ridiculous claim that the plane was edited in without even a video or an explanation about the thousands of people who saw it happen, you're just asserting and before anyone would even try to debate you you have to give at least some sort of evidence to back yourself upVorarchivist (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, yes. Care to explain what does happen with the too-many-to-count witnesses plus their recordings (and that in 2001, when smartphones were still nearly Sci-Fi tech and digital cameras were still both expensive and not very good) of the two planes crashing against the WTC towers?. Now do TPTB have highly advanced holographic technology, that however fails just during impact as you say or what? Panzerfaust (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I especially like the serendipitous misspelling of "passes" for "phases". Phasing could be a cool new scifi-ish conspiracy theory, i.e. the plane phased through the building using a highly secret quantum technology. Leuders (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Don't forget the families of passengers who booked flight on the second plane and still have receipts to show it, waiting for their loved ones to arrive. nobsAloha Snackbar 03:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Magic: the GatheringTM cards with the phasing ability were all published in either 1996 or 1997, and were basically out of circulation by September 2001. For this reason, your theory sounds implausible. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
And there's more. What about the remains of the two planes that were found among the debris of the WTC, as well as Flight 11 and Flight 175 themselves after take-off and before crashing?. More ruses from TPTB? Panzerfaust (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Troll So the planes have Kitty Pryde's powers?-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 02:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
More like Vision's, in this case. RoninMacbeth (talk) 12:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The "need" to recover the bodies of the dead?[edit]

Was someone going to die if the bodies weren't recovered, or did the author mean desire instead of need? — Unsigned, by: 101.164.233.212 / talk / contribs

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Early warning radar for the Pentagon[edit]

Here's a new one I just heard. The Pentagon has early warning radar that was turned off hours before the attack. Anyone got info on this nonsense? Zero (talk - contributions) 19:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

What, its own air defence radar? What would it do with that? We know now that the reason they had problems with Flight 77 was that they were looking for Flight 11, which had been misidentified as not having crashed into the WTC and they thought was heading to DC. This meant that when radar detected Flight 77 near DC, the planes that had been scrambled were 150 miles away looking for a contact that didn't exist. Nog Bogmire (talk) 21:46, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah. As in its own defense radar. I know that radar installations aren't trivial things to have on hand and fairly obvious to see with a telescope. Some things like this come through to me to which I can usually just say "Uh...?" since I don't have answers. Zero (talk - contributions) 20:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
One radar automatically means they're wrong, any half-decent AA system needs two (search and targeting). Ask them where it's located, what type it is, and what it could possibly task to protect the building. Also point out the US military's main light short-range SAM is Stinger, which is an IR / UV seeker that would in no way benefit from radar. Nog Bogmire (talk) 04:51, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

One-sided reporting[edit]

As a fervent reader of Rationalwiki, I was completely astonished by this one-sided and unobjective description of the 9/11-events. Let me include this short note, at least in the Talk-Page, for anyone passing by and wondering how an internet wiki, claiming to be rational, completely misses its own standards, and blindly adopts the official version of the events. Of all positions one can have about 9/11, the article seems to portray only two extremes. The first extreme being a high praise of the official NIST-report (what this article is in fact) and the second extreme being some crazy zionist-space-beam-bush-did-it nonsense. Can't there be a third, moderate, critical and healthy in-between position? This should be possible. The article starting with Al-Qaeda made entirely responsible for the attacks, is a conspiracy theory itself, as there are no-proofs that it was Al-Qaeda at all. So, speaking about the responsibility of the attacks, it's possible to say that the US-Government accuses Ben Laden, and that, however, proofs are still awaited. Indeed, the factual situation is pointing it couldn't have been him, or at least, him alone. The role of the US Government is at least debatable. A lot of the so-called truther claims are being discussed and countered with rebuttals full of logical fallacies, and only weak claims are being discussed, not the strong ones. One day, in 20 years, in 50 years or even in 100 years, we will know the truth. Internet archaeologists will dig this article out and wonder why this was one the Rationalwiki. 79.210.51.201 (talk) 11:11, 20 September 2017 (UTC) Anir

First, "But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink!
Second, cite your sources. RoninMacbeth (talk) 13:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
First, that drinking game of yours may explain why this article seems to be written by not-really-sober users. I think I supported my claim with enough explanations. This article needs to be rewritten.
Second, cite your sources. Which source does say that the 19 Hijackers are responsible for the attacks? Cite your sources. The 9/11 commission report? Come on! We should write it directly in the article: The US-Government accuses some people with no further proof. There isn't even a single footage of any of the Hijackers boarding any of the planes.
Third. One thing that blew my mind. Read the following sentence from the 2nd paragraph of the introduction.
"While the international community condemned the attacks, some Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East viewed them as part of a legitimate jihad"
Well, while I don't have any problems with the sentence itself, I can't understand at all the source used ==> Some Palestinians celebrated the attack in refugee camps in Lebanon. Images of celebration from the BBC. Sorry what? I suggest we use the following source, it's much better. Anir (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
First, your joke was amusing. But explanations are not the same as citations. If I were to write a paper on the Thirty Years' War and turn it into my professor, and it contained explanations for why it happened the way it did but no citations, I would not be surprised if I got an F on the paper. Someone can explain anything with anything else. But unless those explanations have some demonstrated basis in reality, such as citations, then the explanations are moot.
Second, we do cite our sources. The 9-11 Commission report is reliable. And since you ask for citations, here they are:
Joint Inquiry Into Intelligence Community Activities Before And After The Terrorist Attacks Of September 11, 2001 Volume I and Volume II, and the testimony of FBI Assistant Director Dale L. Watson before the Senate Intelligence Committee. They're both through the Wayback Machine, sorry.
And third, I am not entirely sure what your complaint is. If you feel that source is better, then change it. Many other RWians might be loath to use a Breitbart article, but meh. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:32, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I told myself since this article is full of jokes, why not adding my own jokes to it. Breitbart was meant to be joke as well.
Let's focus entirely on that claim of yours: The 9-11 Commission report is reliable.
I heard some truthers saying that there isn't even one mention of the collapse of WTC7. That's why they completely dismiss it. I wouldn't go as far as dismissing it. Let's agree that the 9-11 Commission forgot to mention it. On the other side, this article completely presents the 9-11 Commission report as absolutely unquestionable. It's the truth and anyone saying something else may also like Alex-Jones-Videos. Some strong straw man there.
I will add one little part to the article, if you don't like it we can discuss it of course.
Anir (talk) 10:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)