Talk:Alt-right glossary

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Suggested additions: Amish, Nose-check, Early Life[edit]

  • Amish: a slur towards back people, based on internet discussions where the ethnicity of a criminal is not released, and the readers jokingly speculate "huh, two people shot by someone outside a liquor store in Compton? The shooter was probably Amish, huh?" This has occasionally caused genuine confusion on platforms like Free Republic when a literal Mennonite commits a crime that's posted about, and all the readers who came in expecting to read about black "thuggery" are confused why it's about a farm in rural Pennsylvania.
  • Nose-check: or "check nose", "post nose". Used when discussing a person who has posted an opinion counter to alleged white racial goals, in order to imply "check them for a big nose, they're probably Jewish and promoting immigration/LGBT/etc to drag down white people."
  • Early Life: sometimes used as "Alexa, google Jane Berkowitz Early Life." Similar to "nose check", the implication is that the speaker is implying a disliked person is Jewish, encouraging others to look at the Early Life section of the subject's Wikipedia biography which reveals that they were raised Jewish, or one parent was Jewish, or one set of grandparents was Jewish immigrants.

TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 01:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

If you have media citations or citations of actual usage, they could be added. Bongolian (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian Sure, are Primary Sources okay, or usable but less desirable? Like is a Reddit post showing common usage enough, or do I need like a Daily Beast article which analyzes the term? And to pitch a few more: "bop" (to cancel/remove/kill, a Fren World catchphrase), "burn the coal, pay the toll" (dating black men will ruin your life), "wignat" (a white nationalist but who's trashy and "no better than a n&gger"), and I can ponder others that are relatively common usage, or terms that are relatively new but have exploded in popularity in the last year. TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Both are good in my view, as long as the summary source is reputable, or the primary source shows clear intent. You can look at Alt-right glossary for how citations have been handled there. Bongolian (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Marv[edit]

Has anyone worked out the significance of "marv" as in Marvbolgang, a hashtag sometimes seen among groypers/Apus? (for example m.twitter.com/TexanMarv ). I assume it's similar to Nazbol but have no idea what marv is for? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

According to Urban Dictionary (usually pretty accurate in figuring out this stuff), the reason they're likely using it is the second definition. Seems it's just a synonym for "NPC". The Crow (talk) 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @The Crow. Worth adding, or not? Doesn't seem super common. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@CogitoNotStirred Given how we have a pretty comprehensive list, and several entries on that list are just "see this other entry", I suggest you just go ahead and add it in like that. If someone takes issue, it can just be removed anyway, no harm done. The Crow (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks -- added. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@CogitoNotStirred The second reference that you have failed. Can you fix it? Bongolian (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian Might be a browser caching issue. It shows up for me in Chrome but not Firefox. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
OK, it works now. Bongolian (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Separate article(s) for other languages?[edit]

I was thinking if it might be useful to create lists like this for alt-right vernacular in other languages? Some of it of course are just calques of English expressions, but there are naturally also terms unrelated to other languages. I actually got the idea from considering what would be the equivalent expression of the Finnish yksittäistapaus ("isolated case/incident") in English. I could put up a draft with a few Finnish ones – maybe start small with just one article divided into sections by language...? --85.76.143.219 (talk) 10:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

We already have a draft for the Draft:Indian right-wing glossary, so I'd say go ahead and make a page. Might be more useful to register an account though if you plan to stay around on that for the long term. The Crow (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Yea, I noticed that one. I started a draft here, hope the title is fine. --85.76.79.210 (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, added a couple of Norwegian terms. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 22:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Deus vult change[edit]

Reverted edits by a BoN to this section because of potential whitewashing/downplaying. If someone uses the phrase and a crusader cross in their online profile outside gaming sites, it's unlikely they're doing this because they're a gamer. If someone wants to mention the game, please feel free to do so but in a way that doesn't ignore the primary hateful messaging of this on platforms like Reddit and Twitter. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

It's context-sensitive. If you're on the Paradox Interactive forums, then yeah, it's probably about video games. If you're on a general social media site, then it's probably about racism. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 15:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Even within Paradox Interactive communities (the saying is also somewhat common on /r/CKII) it's a bit fishy sometimes. The phrase also enjoys popularity in the Darkest Dungeon community (a class is called the Crusader), the one that was added by the BON, For Honor (where one of the factions is clearly modeled after crusaders) and it's used as a song lyric in a few historical metal bands (just from the top of my head). It should definetely be there from a "this is something that alties rally behind" perspective, but I think that to outright say it's only used by alties online is perhaps a bit of a misnomer, and I don't think it's whitewashing to point it out. (The phrase gained popularity at around the same time trebuchet memes did, so a lot of overlap exists since trebuchets = medieval weapon, crusaders = medieval knights.) It's perhaps a bit like Pepe in that regard: Not necessarily an alt-right term on it's own, but often appropriated and used as such. The Crow (row row fight the power) 18:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@The Crow That seems fair enough. Is someone who knows more about gaming culture than I do able to change this with proper perspective? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I think you can safely add "SIMP"[edit]

It had an extremly short period where it standard as a word for "m'lady" type neckbeards but it quickly developed into another alt-right buzzword for anyone who isn't a misogynist, like "white knight".— Unsigned, by: 141.226.221.192 / talk / contribs

Ehhh. A bit iffy on this one. Would like to see some references here. From what I know, the term "simp" tends to be used moreso to refer to the fools who spend their entire wage on trying to get the attention of camgirls and then get all salty when that camgirl turns out to have a life beyond talking to lonely losers on the internet. Not saying it's a no go, just wanting a few sources for this one. The Crow (row row fight the power) 18:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I'd rather have this on the manosphere glossary – as well as Coomer, but that's debatable. --85.76.146.201 (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Any reason it can't be on both glossaries? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Pridefall[edit]

Added Pridefall. This is new and quickly developing, but it also may not amount to anything more than what is already in the entry. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)