Talk:Alt-right glossary

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What was wrong about this edit?[edit]

I have seen that my addition of the term Commiefornia and Cohencidence to the list and the addition of this red pill illustration have been removed. What was wrong about them? Hnio80 (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Already resolved. Thanks. Hnio80 (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Categorizing the awfulness[edit]

This is one of the longest pages on our site. This isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but it is rather... unstructured. I propose doing something similar like what happened with the Transgender glossary page and define broad categories that we can fit these terms into. A lot of the terms listed tend to be things like chan culture being reappropriated and used by the far right, subdivisions of the alt-right, generally racist/homophobic/transphobic bullcrap, terms that see non-alt right usage quite a bit but in context may be read as indicative of being alt-right and so on and so forth. It would be easier for reading comprehension to properly fit the terms in the right categories. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 15:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Taxation of terminology[edit]

Okay, so I am going through the list as is, and I'll divide it up in categories we can fit this in as we go:

  • Less obvious dogwhistles (emojis, except for the lightning bold and no-gay unicode symbol, but also one-off campaigns like milk chugging)
  • Dogwhistly numbers and statistics (13%, 41%, 1290 and 1488)
  • Smears against political opponents (NPC, cultural marxism)
  • Obvious slurs
  • Obvious bigotry (probably dividable in racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia)
  • Subcategories of alt-right groupings (alt-tech for example)
  • Co-opted memes/4chan slang (specifically for this section, I am referring to slang and terminology that has not become exclusive alt-right usage).
  • Acronyms
  • References to hate groups
  • "Operations" (basically pathetic attempts to not get kicked off of the internet or boycotts).

Unless anyone has more input, I'll probably see if I can do a reorganization of this page in the upcoming week to make it more approachable to read. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You should make sections for dogwhistles, slurs, acronyms, designations (For alt-right groupings and reference to hate groups) and humor, respectively. Your list of sections above is a little too much, I believe you do not need more than 6 sections for the entire glossary. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Could you give an explanation for what you mean with "humor"? I kinda want the co-opted memes part to be it's own section because a couple of these memes still carry usage outside of the alt-right and it keeps causing arguments on the talkpage, so putting them to their own section where we can universally clarify that would be useful. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 10:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
You can do what you proposed instead. I thought humor would be better since it could be a broader section than just "Co-opted memes/4chan slang". MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggested correction to "did nothing wrong"[edit]

It didn't start with "Hitler did nothing wrong", the original was "Griffith did nothing wrong" reffering to a character from the manga "Berserk", it was later applied to other villainous characters and Hitler.— Unsigned, by: 45.133.180.228 / talk

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I wouldn’t call that a correction, just an addition. I’ve never heard of that personally, but if it’s widely known or you’ve got a source feel free to add it to the article. Christopher (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Fairly sure Griffith did nothing wrong is another snowcloneWikipedia of "X did nothing wrong", which gained popularity with the Mountain Dew contest but predates it a good bit as general chan culture as early as 2011. In general however, I consider that word to be only tangentially related to the alt-right. Whilst snowcloning it is something they love to do (and hence why it bears mention), "X did nothing wrong" is often used on fictional characters who the audience is supposed to hate as "troll bait". Basically it's slightly similar-ish to Pepe the frog in that regard in that you really should look at the context (and especially the snowclone) in which it's being applied to make a decision. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
I did rewrite the section a bit, reflecting the fact that this is yet another more generic meme being often applied in alt-right context. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Woke[edit]

The term "woke" does not qualify as a purely alt-right term (if it ever was). "Woke" originated among African Americans, but became a self-descriptor among various left-wing groups and conspiracy theorists (botb left and right wing ones). "Woke" in this old sense might include the idea that Ancient Egyptians could fly, Jesus was really an alien or sport is only there to support capitalism.

Its use now is ironic, but I still occasionally see the old usage.

Nowadays the term "woke" is used by a wide range of people who are mostly not alt-right. I even hearsome of the more traditional leftists using it against post-structuralist types who have no interest in the Class Struggle. Usually the term is used the more ridiculous, socially divisive, and yes, sometimes anti-scientific aspects of the Far Left.

There is an element of stopped clock syndrome here, because this term can refer to idiocy at the other political extreme, but editors are so determined not to look alt-right that they have to oppose it. This Wiki needs to start writing more about far left extremism, not just the right wing variety. -Albannach (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC) p.s. Apologies, I had intended this post to be shorter!

"Disavow"[edit]

The alt-right's use of "disavow" is sort of similar to that of normal parlance, but with sarcastic, insincere, or duplicitous connotation. For example, upon hearing the name of a prominent alt-right leader, a peon in the movement might say "I disavow" in order to distance themselves from that leader (with the least-plausible deniability available) while also reminding other alt-righters around them that other, saner people may be listening so getting excited is a bad idea. For another example, Lauren Chen's Twitter bio reads "I disavow everything & everyone." The use of the specific word seems to have become a meme to them, completely divorced from its actual meaning, though still serviceable as a dogwhistle. Twentydragon (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)