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Overlap

This seems to overlap with the manosphere glossary? I was going to add the MGTOW glossary to the manosphere glossary as well; I think both our additions belong in it, as there is obviously overlap (since none of these movements are progressive). Thoughts? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

That's correct; there is heavy userbase overlap. This article focuses on the political terms used. I would advise against merging. Political alt-righters rarely seem to use manosphere terms, and vice versa. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 01:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Add gestures?

There seem to be at least two alt-right gestures in use, one that looks like an "OK gesture", derived from Pepe, and one that signifies white power.[1] Bongolian (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Looks like the OK gesture and white power gesture are the same thing. Though there's a some chance the OK sign is fake.[2] But given that the Pepe meme did it and alt-righters did it at the White House, it seems like it has traction. Bongolian (talk) 00:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd say no for now -- give it a few months and see if they keep it up. FuzzyCatPotato of the Throbbing Guns (talk/stalk) 05:03, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

OK Bongolian (talk) 06:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

"Special Snowflake"

Quite aside from the fact that it's ridiculous reaching, that's not even how a crematorium furnace works: ashes don't go up the main stack because they'd be no way for them to get to it from the individual furnaces. Given the other definitions that user has posted (particularly the ridiculous one for "cuck"), it's pretty obviously trolling. Nog Bogmire (talk) 00:42, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

So what should we do with it? Should we take the bogus definition out of the article entirely? (And plonk it here in the talk page for people to gawk at?) I mean, it wouldn't be the first individual term in the page to have a bloated section (though that one was particularly so), but it felt kind of like, I guess... a forum thread that's gotten way off track? I wouldn't mind if it got a trimming with the loppers. ~ <3 01:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, someone's added a ref to it with a link to a Snopes article debunking it, that seems good. Nog Bogmire (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I am the one who added that bit about the furnaces, and I would like to apologize for not doing enough research there. In my defense, however, the alt-right do make heavy use of Nazi codewords and iconography, so it only made sense to me that the phrase would have Nazi origins. Nevertheless, I still fucked up, and I'm sorry. NotYourAverageBoN (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

"Brownshirt"

So, upon reading the "Brownshirt" entry, this was my immediate response. "Wow, Godwin's law is so prevalent nowadays that even Nazis are comparing their enemies to Nazis." I just want to know if it would be appropriate to point this out in the main article as well. Please let me know. NotYourAverageBoN (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Unnecessary additions

@everyone: Chill. This debate is merely about "which types of terms should be included in our glossary". No anger necessary here. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 17:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

My earlier discussion was unproductive, but I still think we should have some criteria for terms included on the glossary, as well as a resolution for whether to include the disputed terms (outrage, pandering, rational, useful idiot). Ideally, someone other than Nog Bogmire or myself could offer their two cents. CowHouse (talk) 03:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

SMOC

Does anyone in the alt-right actually say "SMOC"? CowHouse (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Top quote

Is it legit? I mean, obviously he probably said that, but is that what it's about? —Kazitor, ^pending 21:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It seems appropriate. I mean... it directly addresses a language obsessed with hate and seeming tough. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 22:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Fashwave

Fashwave is a subgenre of synthwave, not of vaporwave. Very easily distinguished genres. Also, you're all monstrously stupid. ^{— Unsigned, by: 204.186.70.175 / talk / contribs} 02:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

OK hand sign

To my understanding, the OK hand sign is not an alt-right symbol, but rather an attempt at a ploy to make the alt-right movement appear bigger than it actually is, given the prevaisiveness that symbol has in everyday culture. (so they can say whenever someone is making it "look, he/she is one of us!", as a kind of intimidation tactic).

Here it is listed as a verbatim alt-right symbol, i think that's not a good idea, as it means RW basically falling for the ploy... 87.123.204.100 (talk) 06:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

As of January 2018, Snopes was calling the gesture ambiguous as to trolling or real.[3] Bongolian (talk) 07:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I use the OK hand symbol all the time and I'm definitely not alt-right, and I know lots of people who are the same. I don't think it should really be here, even if supporters of the alt-right do use it. 𝒮𝓅𝓇𝒾ℊℊ𝒾𝓃𝒶 (𝓉𝒶𝓁𝓀) (𝒸ℴ𝓃𝓉𝓇𝒾𝒷𝓈) @ 13:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@Spriggina I don't think that if we include a term in the glossary it is meant to suggest that people who use it are necessarily alt-right (e.g. "based" was used by rapper Lil B, "deep state" is used by Glenn Greenwald, "mainstream media" is used by The Young Turks, etc.). However, as I've said before, I do think we need some criteria for terms included in the glossary. My suggestion would be:

1. Terms largely unknown to those unfamiliar with the alt-right (e.g. Cultural Marxism)
2. Deliberately coded language (euphemisms, dog whistles, in-jokes) (e.g. 1488)
3. Commonly used terms with altered meanings in an alt-right context, usually having been appropriated by the alt-right (e.g. based)
4. Terms that would indicate the speaker is likely part of the alt-right, or at the very least raises red flags (e.g. cuck).

CowHouse (talk) 15:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that could be added to the introductory text. But why not also trolling attempts such as the OK sign? Bongolian (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bongolian The OK sign would fall under the third point. CowHouse (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

OK! Bongolian (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

B-button emoji

From what I've heard, this emoji is used by the alt-right as anti-black code, particularly on Discord. It later mostly shed its racist origins. Should we add it? 202.142.129.178 (talk) 03:31, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Doubtful. If ever it was used by the alt-right, it is no longer in active use. It seems to often be used by black people now. ^{— Unsigned, by: Norman44 / talk / contribs}

Is "free thinker" an alt-right term?

Is "free thinker" an alt-right term?—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 21:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

It was not originally (see Freethought), but they could have co-opted it. Do you have a citation? Bongolian (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Alex Jones has used it. Also, I remember my alt-right dad using it.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 03:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

MAGA

Early this morning an Alt-right troll vandalized the wiki and after I intervened insulted me and vandalized my userpage. The point of me bringing this up is that in several of their edit summaries they used the word "MAGA" in a similar manner to the way many people use the abbreviation "lol", and I neither know its exact meaning in Alt-right slang, nor does our glossary cover it. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:16, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

MAGA = Make America Great Again—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 21:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

It was Trump's campaign slogan, which overlaps with but is not exclusive to alt-righters. If the alt-right has changed its meaning somehow, then perhaps it could be added. Bongolian (talk) 01:18, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bongolian It's highly unlikely they changed the meaning of "Make America Great Again", it's already the sort of mindlessly shallow drivel these types of idealogs lap up with reckless abandon. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:22, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

It's been used as a dog whistle by Trump & his supporters, e.g. see US Rep. Mike Kelly supporting racial discrimination while using MAGA. Bongolian (talk) 01:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

For our case, the troll used it as an attempt to be an edgelord.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 01:36, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@CheeseburgerFace So that's what an "edgelord" is like? That means that they're as idiotic as I expected, if not more so. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:46, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

An edgelord is person who spouts offensive things for attention and not because they believe in what they say.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 01:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I read the article, they sound like standard troll fare to me. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:59, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Adding a MAGA entry

@CheeseburgerFace & @Jaydogg1994: If the MAGA entry is to be kept, then something else needs to be added, either a special meaning or a reference as to its commonality among the alt-right. I think that the average joe will see this and not get it. Bongolian (talk) 03:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Beat you to it.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara  (talk • stalk) 03:33, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

OK! Bongolian (talk) 03:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Since you two are here would you mind helping me out with something? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:38, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, what's up? Bongolian (talk) 03:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I made a post here (bottom of the page) and would like some input. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Totalitarian languages.

https://www.persee.fr/doc/rfsp_0035-2950_1976_num_26_3_393674_t1_0600_0000_001

That book explains this whole thing.--190.174.1.138 (talk) 19:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Red pill's MRA origins

Hey all, just wanted to suggest that the red pill entry mention its origins in MRA and GG circles. Yet more proof (as if any were needed) that GG and MRA were immediate predecessors of the alt-right. 175.34.250.86 (talk) 08:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

How do you know that it wasn't the other way around? Alt-right origins go back further than GG and MRA. Bongolian (talk) 15:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Proud Boys

A few questions about the definition of the Proud Boys:

• Are they really less overtly racist? They seem to do a whole lot of racist stuff, not to mention actively using the OK sign to mean "white power."
• Is "Western values" just a dog-whistle for "being white?" "Western culture" is often used by the alt-right as a code word for white/European culture.
• Maybe discuss the fact that it's a bunch of grown-ass men in a gang about not masturbating (but jerking each other off is OK if nobody sees it)? ^{— Unsigned, by: Norman44 / talk / contribs}

Day of the Rope

What's the deal, @RoninMacbeth? This reference confirms that it is a term used by white nationalists.[4] Why do you think it isn't? Bongolian (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize it didn't get restored. I just tried to revert the edit about white genocide. My mistake. RoninMacbeth (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add the number “13%”

The number “13%” is a popular and common Alt-Right dog whistle, and is short for “Despite being 13% of the population, blacks commit 52% of crime.” They sometimes also say “Despite being 13%” but most of the time they only say the number “13%”, which is enough to pass under “normies” radar. If you see it in any online forum, you know there’s Nazis creeping in it.

Done. — Palaeonictis ^{Fossil beds} 12:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Also 56%. Radiant Orb (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Too much scope creep?

This has become a very long list, and no doubt will pick up even more trending words and phrases in the months and years to come. In my view this article should be restricted to terms that are either exclusive to the alt-right, or have a different or additional meaning when used by the alt-right. Terms such as "oppression olympics" that are used by the alt-light, the realist left, libertarians, paleocons, and by the so-called "intellectual dark web" (Jordan Peterson, Quillette), should be moved to separate page(s), which should be referenced in the See Also. I volunteer to kick this off since I identify as realist left and am a Quillette reader.--Greenrd (talk) 01:09, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Done, or mostly done. There were a couple of terms that I wasn't sure about the usage of, so I left them here.--Greenrd (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Wrong apu?

sorry for editing before taking it to the talk thread the first time but i think the apu mentioned in the article refers not to the simpsons apu but rather to the old name of the crudely drawn edit of pepe the frog that would later on become the frenworld frog

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/apu-apustaja https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/frenworld https://meemi.info/w/Apu_apustaja ^{— Unsigned, by: 91.139.146.180 / talk}

You appear to be correct. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 20:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Cozy

Anyone know what "cozy" means? I've seen it quite a bit in Nazi Twitter account descriptions. I would guess that the user only wants fellow-Nazis to follow, but I'm not positive. Bongolian (talk) 03:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Bongolian I believe it's meant ironically in the same way you'll sometimes see them use "wholesome," i.e. very much not so. Click at your own risk: groypersgathering.blogspot.com CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

There's no real proof that these internet users are actual Nazis. They could just be internet trolls/comedians looking to get a rise out of people for kicks. ^{— Unsigned, by: Danglol / talk / contribs}

"Only words count. Everything else is bluff." (Eugène Ionesco) CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

1290 — Edit of Expulsion

Is it really worth mentioning the Edict of Expulsion at all? It's true that Vanguard News Network got all excited when Katzir made his goofy blog post (striking me as odd, because I doubt VNN's people read Hebrew), but that doesn't mean '1290' significant to the alt-right.

This is a minor point and hardly worth discussing. However, 13 years ago, there was a quite a fuss. A dozen newspapers/blogs/fish'n'chip wrappers stated that Ori Katzir, an 'Israeli historian', had suggested that the Edict of Expulsion was never rescinded. His argument was that only a monarch could overturn a royal decree; Cromwell was a dictator, not a monarch, and therefore was acting ultra vires. (How a dictator can't have absolute power is beyond me.) Anyway, after a bit of digging, I found the original post by Ori Katzir -- here -- and it turns out that he's a tour guide. Granted, he has a master's degree in History; granted, he's an Israeli; however, he's not a historian and his blog is just a blog. The discussion on the matter of Cromwell's authority is a bit like the discussion on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, in my opinion at least.

Finally, if we're going to mention 1290, shouldn't we mention 1492 and the Alhambra Decree? I don't care if we mention 1290 or not, but if we do, surely we should mention 1492 as well. What are your thoughts? ^{— Unsigned, by: WalterFunkKnight / talk / contribs}

The only reason to have 1290 in the glossary is if the alt-right is using it. If someone has a reference for its actual usage, it would be worth keeping. Bongolian (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Boogaloo

"Boogaloo" is another term that I've seen a lot of but I'm not sure of. It looks like it could be a code word for race war. Bongolian (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed and added. Bongolian (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I was under the impression that "Boogaloo," in general usage, describes a dubious low-quality sequel of something. The origin of this is Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo. From the memes that I've seen, "The Boogaloo" is referring to a second American Civil War. The memes that where I typically see it are referring to a civil war provoked by widespread gun confiscation, hence ridiculous scenarios about murdering ATF agents ("alphabet bois"). The alt-right then use this framework to promote a race war. POGtastic (talk) 20:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

109 Countries

I don't know how long it's been around, but by this point 109 has definitely become part of the glossary. For those who are unfamiliar: 109 refers to the number of countries that have expelled Jews in history. Whether or not that number is accurate is irrelevant; the term is to imply that Jews are responsible/deserving of having been kicked out of so many places (and thus implying it should happen again and/or implying Jews should stop complaining about it). ^{— Unsigned, by: 109.67.54.194 / talk}

The point of this glossary.

@Bongolian I have been wondering how useful this glossary is. Are we compiling a dictionary so that Alt-right novices can understand the esoteric texts of Alt-rightism? My problem is, I am guessing that most of the people who might sympathize with the alt-right don't understand half of these terms. What about, as a tool for bright young Nazi hunters? the previous topic above, citing the number 109 as an alt-right term, is signed "Unsigned, by: 109.67.54.194 / t". Somehow I am suspicious someone is pulling my leg.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ariel31459 Well, usefulness isn't a point of missionality per se, but the glossary could be used for people who want to report Nazis on social media or for reporters who want to gain an understanding of their subject. As a tool for budding Nazis, it probably suck ass due to its ideological slant against Nazism. Bongolian (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Point 3 of our mission statement. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Even though I have decided that the suggestion to add the number 109 to this avalanche of a glossary is not entirely serious, it is a good example of a bad idea: a google search comes up with more than 3 billion citations of highway designations, bus routes, places of business, etc. associated with the number 109. Then there are real entries in the glossary that also have no useful purpose that I can discover such as The Last Stand:

" "The Last Stand" is a song by the Swedish metal band Sabaton,Wikipedia's W.svg the titular last stand being of 189 Swiss Guardsmen during the Sack of Rome in 1527....

What does the last stand have to do with the alt-right? Not a damn thing, really." At least it's honest Ariel31459 (talk) 23:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Keep reading on that one. In addition, it's a glossary of the jargon of an active group, of course it'll be large. Add to that said group is fond of dog-whistles and euphemisms and it's not surprising that the glossary has gotten as large as it has. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

All right, but is music appropriate for a glossary because a song is played on a few videos? It's nice to know that the song is a good one. Among the more that 3.5 billion google citations for "The Last Stand" are several contemporary movies, General Custer meets new people, the Alamo, an RPG zombie game, and a cavalcade of others. Where will I find the time?Ariel31459 (talk) 00:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

You have to search on Youtube and read the comments on such entries as this one, this one, this one, etc. To be fair, a lot of the "Deus Vult" entries are extremely low view count (but there's one in the 30ks); the main entry has less of the toxic faith-bashing. However even in the official video comment section, there is still an amusing confusing between "power metal band that uses historic Christian European events" and "Christian metal band". Slayer isn't a "Nazi band" just because they sang about Josef Mengele. And of course the Youtube comment section of the "Deus Vult" idiots proves xkcd right again by confusing the Sack of Rome that the song is clearly about, with the Crusades, which is where the "deus vult" phrase came from. The date range isn't even in the same ballpark. I don't know about notability, but, put it this way, there are *lots* of "nationalists" misinterpreting Sabaton on noted alt-right platform Bitchute. You won't find the same if you search for, say, Drake. Soundwave106 (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Globalist

I's my impression that only fascists use the word "globalist" these days. Am I wrong about that? If not, it warrants a more detailed entry. The link to Globalization would not suffice since it's a distinctly different topic. 2A02:908:3611:F5C0:7957:B5E2:2F02:C538 (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Deep State

@Bongolian I noticed that you reverted an edit recently that added the sentence "But it exists and is a good thing." I think that something of the origin of the term "Deep State" might be added to the entry because the term is not original to the Trumpists or Alt-right. The term itself is derived from the Turkish derin deviet. It has been use by various authoritarian rulers in the recent past, including Vladimir Putin in Russia and Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey. "Deep State" has been used primarily by authoritarians, to complain about their lack of complete control over the mechanisms of government. If you understand the deep state in America as a composite of those men and women in the government who are dedicated to following the law and therefore resisting the criminal deviations of President Trump, then the deep state is a very good thing indeed. Ariel31459 (talk) 13:59, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

{{ping|Ariel31459}], I think my problem with the text was that it was hard to tell what the context was. If you want to add it back with more context, that's great. Bongolian (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Add “Open Borders For Israel” and the number “109”

“Open Borders For Israel” is a a seemingly innocuous phrase, like “It’s Okay To Be a White”, but in reality it’s based on a conspiracy that Jews are pushing for immigration in western countries but not to Israel. In reality the majority of Israeli Jews are right-wing and don’t support open borders anywhere.

“109” stands for the 109 countries Jews were expelled from, and of course implies it was their own fault every time. You may also see a “110” to say that they need to be kicked from another country.^{— Unsigned, by: 176.12.203.227 / talk / contribs}

Add “Optics”

“Optics” is the Alt-Right term for “PR”. Saying “Death to all Jews” is bad optics, since it’s too extreme for the public ear and isn’t good for “redpilling normies”. You may hear it as “Can I get an optics check?” or “Hello, optics department?” when a fellow alt-righter says something too violent. Maybe he is even “fedposting”, because only an FBI agent would do a mistake and reveal their true ideology, or “power level”. Charlottesville? Richard Spencer’s rant? Those were “terrible optics”. Very popular among Nick Fuentes’s “groyper” movement, as a part of their new campaign to rebrand the alt-right and make it more discreet. ^{— Unsigned, by: 5.144.50.20 / talk}

Actually... "Optics" is PR jargon. As in jargon from PR firms and media companies. It basically refers to how things look from the outside. So a PR rep might tell their client that "it's bad optics" if they build their oil pipeline through Native American lands. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Norf F.C.

You don't need to read past the first two paragraphs of Know Your Meme's article on Norf F.C. to understand that "Goalposting" has roots in 4chan's /pol/, specifically as a mockery of British upperclass supporters of the Labour Party as morbidly obese and unkempt. Boneless (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hazmat Suit Edits

Another meme with origins tracing back to /pol/, this time pertaining to discussions of the Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak. This has some unfortunate implications, which are occasionally made obvious [[5]]. Also, what does it tell you about the Hazmat Suit Edits if Kiwi Farms have them as templates over profile pics (like 4chan birthday hats)? Boneless (talk) 21:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Boneless Let's add that!--Alola, my name is Delibirda! (talk) 08:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Dangerhair

Here's another alt-right term I found being used in their circles: Dangerhair. Typically it's used against transgender and women with non-natural hair colours as a means to harass them. Given the word's ties to Gamergate, it's something that should be added to this site's alt-right glossary. Magic Master (talk) 06:32, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Coulter’s Law

It”s supposedly when a mass shooter/terrorist attack takes longer for them to release who the person is if it’s a minority; Soyboy (talk) 02:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Suggested additions: Amish, Nose-check, Early Life

• Amish: a slur towards back people, based on internet discussions where the ethnicity of a criminal is not released, and the readers jokingly speculate "huh, two people shot by someone outside a liquor store in Compton? The shooter was probably Amish, huh?" This has occasionally caused genuine confusion on platforms like Free Republic when a literal Mennonite commits a crime that's posted about, and all the readers who came in expecting to read about black "thuggery" are confused why it's about a farm in rural Pennsylvania.

• Nose-check: or "check nose", "post nose". Used when discussing a person who has posted an opinion counter to alleged white racial goals, in order to imply "check them for a big nose, they're probably Jewish and promoting immigration/LGBT/etc to drag down white people."

• Early Life: sometimes used as "Alexa, google Jane Berkowitz Early Life." Similar to "nose check", the implication is that the speaker is implying a disliked person is Jewish, encouraging others to look at the Early Life section of the subject's Wikipedia biography which reveals that they were raised Jewish, or one parent was Jewish, or one set of grandparents was Jewish immigrants.

TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 01:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

If you have media citations or citations of actual usage, they could be added. Bongolian (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian Sure, are Primary Sources okay, or usable but less desirable? Like is a Reddit post showing common usage enough, or do I need like a Daily Beast article which analyzes the term? And to pitch a few more: "bop" (to cancel/remove/kill, a Fren World catchphrase), "burn the coal, pay the toll" (dating black men will ruin your life), "wignat" (a white nationalist but who's trashy and "no better than a n&gger"), and I can ponder others that are relatively common usage, or terms that are relatively new but have exploded in popularity in the last year. TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Both are good in my view, as long as the summary source is reputable, or the primary source shows clear intent. You can look at Alt-right glossary for how citations have been handled there. Bongolian (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Marv

Has anyone worked out the significance of "marv" as in Marvbolgang, a hashtag sometimes seen among groypers/Apus? (for example m.twitter.com/TexanMarv ). I assume it's similar to Nazbol but have no idea what marv is for? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

According to Urban Dictionary (usually pretty accurate in figuring out this stuff), the reason they're likely using it is the second definition. Seems it's just a synonym for "NPC". The Crow (talk) 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @The Crow. Worth adding, or not? Doesn't seem super common. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@CogitoNotStirred Given how we have a pretty comprehensive list, and several entries on that list are just "see this other entry", I suggest you just go ahead and add it in like that. If someone takes issue, it can just be removed anyway, no harm done. The Crow (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks -- added. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@CogitoNotStirred The second reference that you have failed. Can you fix it? Bongolian (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian Might be a browser caching issue. It shows up for me in Chrome but not Firefox. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, it works now. Bongolian (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Separate article(s) for other languages?

I was thinking if it might be useful to create lists like this for alt-right vernacular in other languages? Some of it of course are just calques of English expressions, but there are naturally also terms unrelated to other languages. I actually got the idea from considering what would be the equivalent expression of the Finnish yksittäistapaus ("isolated case/incident") in English. I could put up a draft with a few Finnish ones – maybe start small with just one article divided into sections by language...? --85.76.143.219 (talk) 10:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

We already have a draft for the Draft:Indian right-wing glossary, so I'd say go ahead and make a page. Might be more useful to register an account though if you plan to stay around on that for the long term. The Crow (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed that one. I started a draft here, hope the title is fine. --85.76.79.210 (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, added a couple of Norwegian terms. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 22:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Deus vult change

Reverted edits by a BoN to this section because of potential whitewashing/downplaying. If someone uses the phrase and a crusader cross in their online profile outside gaming sites, it's unlikely they're doing this because they're a gamer. If someone wants to mention the game, please feel free to do so but in a way that doesn't ignore the primary hateful messaging of this on platforms like Reddit and Twitter. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

It's context-sensitive. If you're on the Paradox Interactive forums, then yeah, it's probably about video games. If you're on a general social media site, then it's probably about racism. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 15:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Even within Paradox Interactive communities (the saying is also somewhat common on /r/CKII) it's a bit fishy sometimes. The phrase also enjoys popularity in the Darkest Dungeon community (a class is called the Crusader), the one that was added by the BON, For Honor (where one of the factions is clearly modeled after crusaders) and it's used as a song lyric in a few historical metal bands (just from the top of my head). It should definetely be there from a "this is something that alties rally behind" perspective, but I think that to outright say it's only used by alties online is perhaps a bit of a misnomer, and I don't think it's whitewashing to point it out. (The phrase gained popularity at around the same time trebuchet memes did, so a lot of overlap exists since trebuchets = medieval weapon, crusaders = medieval knights.) It's perhaps a bit like Pepe in that regard: Not necessarily an alt-right term on it's own, but often appropriated and used as such. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 18:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@The Crow That seems fair enough. Is someone who knows more about gaming culture than I do able to change this with proper perspective? CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I think you can safely add "SIMP"

It had an extremly short period where it standard as a word for "m'lady" type neckbeards but it quickly developed into another alt-right buzzword for anyone who isn't a misogynist, like "white knight".^{— Unsigned, by: 141.226.221.192 / talk / contribs}

Ehhh. A bit iffy on this one. Would like to see some references here. From what I know, the term "simp" tends to be used moreso to refer to the fools who spend their entire wage on trying to get the attention of camgirls and then get all salty when that camgirl turns out to have a life beyond talking to lonely losers on the internet. Not saying it's a no go, just wanting a few sources for this one. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 18:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather have this on the manosphere glossary – as well as Coomer, but that's debatable. --85.76.146.201 (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Any reason it can't be on both glossaries? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Pridefall

Added Pridefall. This is new and quickly developing, but it also may not amount to anything more than what is already in the entry. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion

Some stuff seems to not be terms. I suggest more sections like "memes", "slurs" etc.--Delibirda the Annoying Grammar Nazi (talk) 09:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Could call them trends as well. See, more words showing up featuring double-o, or "oo", in spelling. "Consoomer" for consumer, or "coof" when mentioning the coronavirus.Note: also noticed that "fedora" for atheist hasn't been added yet, either.Chair tater (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of statistics

In the 13/50 section, there is a misuse of statistics.

It says that the 13/50 number is decades old, and newer statistics show a different picture. However, there is a subtle shift from arguing against the homocide rate, to arguing against "all violent crimes" in general. Even in newer statistics, black people commit roughly 50% of all homicide.

Furthermore, that paper looks at motor vehicle stops that will be reduced, not homocide.

95.148.240.253 (talk) 10:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Bring a source.--Hedvigsen^{Skreonk here} 16:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed what he is discussing. The source is already included. It was intentionally misquoted. ^{— Unsigned, by: Bobross420 / talk / contribs}

Gold status

This article is perhap worthy of gold. It is pretty good.--Hedvigsen^{Skreonk here} 09:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Added a bunch of new terms and sources today

For anyone following the evolution of the article, today I added: Saint, Gibsmedat, Muh, Basketball-American, Khazar, Gorillion, Who nose?, Amish, Nose check, and Early Life. TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 14:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Gr8!--Hedvigsen^{Skreonk here} 16:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Unsure about "muh", but the rest seem fine (I've seen it used to mock guys with fragile egos or gamers with really fragile egos just as much). We perhaps should at least in some fashion denote this list between generic internet slang that the alt-right also uses (the origins do not in fact appear to come from 4chan, but predate it by a few years) and the outright hateful dogwhistles they use. In fact, this entire page should probably get split up in categories, it's a bit of a mess right now and could really use some structure (also maybe take out the TOC, it's getting far too long. Don't we have a template designed to assist with this?).Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 21:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

"Google [something innocuous-sounding]" worth adding?

I'm referring to this certain brand of image macros with a text that suggests something completely different than what the results from a Google search actually are. One example I remember particularly well is (roughly) as follows,

Did you know that several very impressive and unique dancing styles originate from Israel? Google "dancing Israelis" to find out more! —in an image with some ballet dancers

"Dancing Israelis" is a reference to a popular alt-right talking point about an alleged discovery of jubilant Mossad agents in the vicinity of New York shortly after the 9/11 attacks. Another one of these I've seen references Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but I'd be damned to remember what it actually says, and I don't care enough to try my Google-fu on it.

Not sure if these are actually supposed to convince anyone to change their views or if they are made just "for teh lulz" like some of their stuff is, bu the matter might be worth adding either way. --85.76.78.207 (talk) 08:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually I just found a small subreddit for this shit, might help illustrating what I'm talking about here. --85.76.78.207 (talk) 08:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Add “N Tower” (for lack of a better word)

I wanted to mention it before here but I didn’t know the alt-right’s “official” term for it yet. But basically, “N towers” are when several different racists spell out the word “nigger” by responding to each other with the slur’s respective letters in order, starting with someone posting an “N” to invite others to complete the chain. It’s a clever way for them to say the word collectively and avoid getting banned, but apparently companies like Twitter caught wind of it and see through that dog whistle and is starting to ban them for it. My only evidence is here: https://www.facebook.com/329202667888999/posts/805183630290898/?extid=2z6CZS9ctV5l3ylv&d=n But I assure you what you’ll see this often in many other alt-right circles with anti-racist moderation (Facebook etc). ^{— Unsigned, by: 141.226.210.208 / talk / contribs}

Not a dogwhistle. Word/letter chaining exists beyond the alt-right. Them doing it with racist shit, whilst unsuprising isn't a dogwhistle (more like a blowhorn). Not everything to do with internet slang that the alt-right uses is automatically a dogwhistle. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggest an introduction

@Bongolian I suggest an introduction to this glossary might be useful to the reader. For example, it should be pointed out that some terms used by alt-right actors are more commonly used with greater frequency by other groups. e.g., "oy vey," and "Jew," are in constant use in any community with a significant Jewish presence. Another example would be "our guy," that has existed as an English expression meaning "a member of our group," much longer than the alt-right, and still is frequently used in that manner. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the alt-right mime-factory is a cage of mocking birds. Ariel31459 (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, an expansion to the current introduction would be useful. Bongolian (talk) 19:59, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

What was wrong about this edit?

I have seen that my addition of the term Commiefornia and Cohencidence to the list and the addition of this red pill illustration have been removed. What was wrong about them? Hnio80 (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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Already resolved. Thanks. Hnio80 (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Categorizing the awfulness

This is one of the longest pages on our site. This isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but it is rather... unstructured. I propose doing something similar like what happened with the Transgender glossary page and define broad categories that we can fit these terms into. A lot of the terms listed tend to be things like chan culture being reappropriated and used by the far right, subdivisions of the alt-right, generally racist/homophobic/transphobic bullcrap, terms that see non-alt right usage quite a bit but in context may be read as indicative of being alt-right and so on and so forth. It would be easier for reading comprehension to properly fit the terms in the right categories. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 15:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Taxation of terminology

Okay, so I am going through the list as is, and I'll divide it up in categories we can fit this in as we go:

• Less obvious dogwhistles (emojis, except for the lightning bold and no-gay unicode symbol, but also one-off campaigns like milk chugging)
• Dogwhistly numbers and statistics (13%, 41%, 1290 and 1488)
• Smears against political opponents (NPC, cultural marxism)
• Obvious slurs
• Obvious bigotry (probably dividable in racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia)
• Subcategories of alt-right groupings (alt-tech for example)
• Co-opted memes/4chan slang (specifically for this section, I am referring to slang and terminology that has not become exclusive alt-right usage).
• Acronyms
• References to hate groups
• "Operations" (basically pathetic attempts to not get kicked off of the internet or boycotts).

Unless anyone has more input, I'll probably see if I can do a reorganization of this page in the upcoming week to make it more approachable to read. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 21:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

You should make sections for dogwhistles, slurs, acronyms, designations (For alt-right groupings and reference to hate groups) and humor, respectively. Your list of sections above is a little too much, I believe you do not need more than 6 sections for the entire glossary. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Could you give an explanation for what you mean with "humor"? I kinda want the co-opted memes part to be it's own section because a couple of these memes still carry usage outside of the alt-right and it keeps causing arguments on the talkpage, so putting them to their own section where we can universally clarify that would be useful. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 10:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

You can do what you proposed instead. I thought humor would be better since it could be a broader section than just "Co-opted memes/4chan slang". MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggested correction to "did nothing wrong"

It didn't start with "Hitler did nothing wrong", the original was "Griffith did nothing wrong" reffering to a character from the manga "Berserk", it was later applied to other villainous characters and Hitler.^{— Unsigned, by: 45.133.180.228 / talk}

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I wouldn’t call that a correction, just an addition. I’ve never heard of that personally, but if it’s widely known or you’ve got a source feel free to add it to the article. Christopher (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Fairly sure Griffith did nothing wrong is another snowclone of "X did nothing wrong", which gained popularity with the Mountain Dew contest but predates it a good bit as general chan culture as early as 2011. In general however, I consider that word to be only tangentially related to the alt-right. Whilst snowcloning it is something they love to do (and hence why it bears mention), "X did nothing wrong" is often used on fictional characters who the audience is supposed to hate as "troll bait". Basically it's slightly similar-ish to Pepe the frog in that regard in that you really should look at the context (and especially the snowclone) in which it's being applied to make a decision. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 21:20, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I did rewrite the section a bit, reflecting the fact that this is yet another more generic meme being often applied in alt-right context. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 21:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Woke

The term "woke" does not qualify as a purely alt-right term (if it ever was). "Woke" originated among African Americans, but became a self-descriptor among various left-wing groups and conspiracy theorists (botb left and right wing ones). "Woke" in this old sense might include the idea that Ancient Egyptians could fly, Jesus was really an alien or sport is only there to support capitalism.

Its use now is ironic, but I still occasionally see the old usage.

Nowadays the term "woke" is used by a wide range of people who are mostly not alt-right. I even hearsome of the more traditional leftists using it against post-structuralist types who have no interest in the Class Struggle. Usually the term is used the more ridiculous, socially divisive, and yes, sometimes anti-scientific aspects of the Far Left.

There is an element of stopped clock syndrome here, because this term can refer to idiocy at the other political extreme, but editors are so determined not to look alt-right that they have to oppose it. This Wiki needs to start writing more about far left extremism, not just the right wing variety. -Albannach (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC) p.s. Apologies, I had intended this post to be shorter!

"Disavow"

The alt-right's use of "disavow" is sort of similar to that of normal parlance, but with sarcastic, insincere, or duplicitous connotation. For example, upon hearing the name of a prominent alt-right leader, a peon in the movement might say "I disavow" in order to distance themselves from that leader (with the least-plausible deniability available) while also reminding other alt-righters around them that other, saner people may be listening so getting excited is a bad idea. For another example, Lauren Chen's Twitter bio reads "I disavow everything & everyone." The use of the specific word seems to have become a meme to them, completely divorced from its actual meaning, though still serviceable as a dogwhistle. Twentydragon (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Did nothing wrong

The section mentions the phrase being used in regard to Kyle Rittenhouse, noting that he was accused of murder in 2020. Since he was acquitted of the charges, that should probably be clarified if not having him removed entirely. I lean towards the former but figure this should be discussed here. 2607:FEA8:84A3:4700:28C9:5D29:57B1:5171 (talk) 05:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Shoukd YWNBAW be added?

Transphobic acronym that stands for 'You Will Never Be A Real Woman'. Implies trans women are not real women and shouldn't be treated equally, obviously. ^{— Unsigned, by: 2a00:23c8:aa2:3200:4c44:2af3:72f4:b49 / talk / contribs}

If there is sufficient proof of the acronym being used, then yea, I would support adding it. --2001:999:270:7A0E:A9A7:6386:8095:244D (talk) 13:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Is black pill an alt-right term?

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We currently have it listed in the manosphere glossary. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 ^talk 04:40, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Is there not a significant overlap? 72.76.95.136 (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

...here: I've seen some use of the term Reddit moment, though I don't know the exact meaning, if one even exists. Could be a term to monitor, for potential future inclusion. --2001:999:230:8017:64F9:A44F:88F9:9F82 (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

"dark maga" - worth adding to the glossary? Probably not, but I figured I'd bring it up anyway.

So there's this new, dumb 'dark MAGA' meme trending on right wing Twitter. Apparently it involves weird photoshops of Donnie and his friends doing... things? Near as I can tell it seems to mostly consist of fascists being angry that Trump hasn't gone harder on the fascism and fantasizing about him doing so. I don't know if it's really noteworthy enough to add to the main glossary page yet, but I figured I'd at least mention it. - 72.177.230.219 (talk) 15:02, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Meh, it doesn't seem like it'll get much steam outside of those specific circles. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Primaried soon-to-be-former House Rep Madison Cawthon has been using it recently in rants. Does that count as steam? 2600:100C:B05A:288B:38BB:D4C4:23B4:BF57 (talk) 03:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

I reckon that counts as steam.-April ^Chat? 03:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

So here's the Instagram post itself where Cawthorn references "dark MAGA", and I don't know if it matters, but a Vanity Fair article that talks about the right's "Dark MAGA" thing. 72.177.230.219 (talk) 14:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

#PedoPete — New entry?

I've seen this hashtag in the bios of numerous right-wingers. I think it's supposed to be referring to Biden, but I'm not sure and haven't looked into it. This is a rabbit hole I do not want to go down. Twentydragon (talk) 10:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, per the Daily Caller (click here for the Caller story if you must) it seemed to have stemmed from an alleged "hack" of Hunter Biden's phone that was posted on 4Chan in early July this year. Being 4Chan, who knows how much is real and how much is bullshit, though given the little currency this "hack" has made in all but the sketchiest media sources (left and right) since this time, you can draw your own conclusion. According to this Verge article, some of the stuff (showing Hunter Biden's heavy-partying lifestyle) was not terribly new news anyways, though of course the "leak" triggered fresh faux outrage from the fanbois of Donald Trump about Hunter Biden hanging out with prostitutes or something. At any rate, a Breitbart reporter claimed "Pedo Peter" was a contact found in Hunter Biden's phone leak. Again, this is Breitbart, so it could very well be 100% fabricated bullshit, but that seems to be the origin of the meme. 35.140.177.2 (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you think it warrants an entry in the glossary? Twentydragon (talk) 06:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

"Goyslop" - Possible new entry?

Goyslop is a word that has apparently become a meme recently, and though it appears to have been taken away from the alt-right, it seems to originate from /pol/, the word itself referring to Fast Food, Overprocessed Food, or just Unhealthy Food in general, or as Urban Dictionary ever so kindly puts it (/s), “The absolute barebones nutrition required by goyim to stay alive and continue working/wagecucking.” TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Something doesn't have to be exclusively alt-right to merit mention in this article

@Bongolian It clearly is a reactionary phenomenon. Perhaps a mention in both the TERF and alt right glossaries are warranted? Vee (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

I will support the inclusion (into both), as I am the one who originally added it (to the alt-right page), but don't have much further to say. ExChristian (talk) 15:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Stunning and brave

The alt-right has been using "stunning and brave" a lot lately, as code for "pandering to the woke crowd" (for as much as "woke" even means anything anymore). This is used to describe plot points the right dislike, as well as any representation of people who are not cis, not hetero, and/or not white, especially in reinterpretations of those characters. Twentydragon (talk) 15:34, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

For reference, take this comment section that got brigaded. Twentydragon (talk) 16:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

The current thing

There are a lot of rightist profile images and bios on social media that proudly proclaim "I do not support the current thing". This appears to be done with the purpose of linking together a wide array of areas in which society is slowly progressing and dismissing all of it together as being fads or fashion, rather than ideas worth discussing. Thoughts? Twentydragon (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Yep, I've definitely seen that in action, and I recently set up a draft about the subject. --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

13/50

The account may have asked in bad faith, but the question is still valid… --Luigifan18 (talk) 23:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Vee (talk) 05:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I've seen the figure used in another, more innocuous context (but so far only once): 13 colonies became 50 states, so "13/50" or "1350" can be reference to that. As always, context is key. Twentydragon (talk) 06:19, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

At the time this question was asked, the article already had the 2019 data in it: "13/37" FairDinkum (talk) 12:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

"Brownie Points"

This article refers to 'Brownie Points' as being a means of, "...infantilizing the other side by implicitly comparing them to children expecting sweets as a reward for good behaviour. " I don't know much about alt-right lingo but I suspect this is not what is meant by 'Brownie Points'. I think 'Brownie Points' are probably the points you need to earn a 'Brownie Badge', which is part of an insult that predates the alt-right whereby a person sarcastically offers a 'Brownie Badge' to someone who has accomplished something, as a means to suggest that the accomplishment was insignificant. The 'Brownie' that 'Brownie Badge' comes from is the name given to 7-9 year old Girl Scouts. FairDinkum (talk) 12:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I revised it based on your comment. Bongolian (talk) 16:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope I am correct! FairDinkum (talk) 09:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hate symbols

You guys could add the hate hand and number symbols from https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols I'm to lazy too do it. ^{— Unsigned, by: Interstellar / talk / contribs}

Suggest removing the section "Libs of TikTok (Chaya Raichik)"

I don't think this should qualify for a glossary, being that it's a specific entity and not actually a jargon/vocab term in the alt-right. Can this section maybe just be split off into its own article, if someone can manage to add enough references to make it worth having? TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, IMHO the text (if someone added some sorely lacking citations) probably is enough for a "stub" article. The problem with Libs of Tiktok is right now its notability is pretty one-note... but (as noted in the entry) it is currently a quite important one-note and one that is missional: a very notable source of the LGBT grooming conspiracy theory (which ala the other Wiki probably could use its own article in itself) and the moral panic over gender-affirming care. Not sure what others think though. BobJohnson (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Combine this with Manosphere glossary

When you realize how much the manosphere and the alt right overlap, you realize what these arseholes really want is a ruling totalitarian state of dark tetrad (psychopathic, Machiavellian, narcissistic, sadistic) blue eyed blonde haired inbred Nordic men to rule the globe. I don’t happen to think any would-be recruit to the alt right or the manosphere wants that (at first).--Jakester499 (talk) 22:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Make sure you keep both originals, but also create a combination of the two--Jakester499 (talk) 22:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

About "you will own nothing and be happy" being "fake"

"It was first seen in a fake Twitter screenshot to imply that the World Economic Forum mentioned such a message."

Am I missing something? Because that phrase was seen in a video that actually did come from the WEF, and that bit seems to have been summarized from an essay--DoomTay (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that needed an update, hopefully this works. BobJohnson (talk) 19:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Right, time for discussion

@Vee well, would you care to explain your reasoning for the revert? I already presented mine in the edit summary. --2001:999:580:EDF3:9104:9835:D1E8:641 (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

A large deletion is suspicious, and the alt right uses memes. Isn't there a template for "better sources needed"? Vee (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Apparently, yes; added that instead. Also, some personal observations of mine, because why not: I have never encountered the terms in question outside the iSorrowProductions/Alex the Rambler/Drew Durnil/etc. strategy gaming scene on YouTube. Admittedly, I'd wager that some people do use the term in the alt-right sphere, but I would guesstimate the non-alt-right userbase to be much larger. --2001:999:580:EDF3:9104:9835:D1E8:641 (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

"Austrian painter" is definitely used a little on /pol/ and other 4chan boards, some posts which seem to be swamped in alt-right terminology. But I also found a National Review article freaking out about a bumper sticker with similarities ("My Boss Is an Austrian Painter") in 2008. The NR author speculated that it's a takeoff to the "My Boss Is a Jewish Carpenter" bumper sticker phrase popular with the Christian sect. This is about as far back as a reference as I can find, it does suggest its usage predates the alt-right in some neo-Nazi circles, at least. BobJohnson (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. Vee (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Using (Square) brackets to replace Triple parenthesis

Recently I have noticed alt-right using brackets to replace the use off triple parenthesis because those are considered hate symbols can we add them to the list --Edward the eight (talk) 05:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Obviously. Vee (talk) 06:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a citation of usage? Bongolian (talk) 06:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

"remove kebab" copypasta

it's even more bizarre than it looks. Apparently Tupac is "aliv" and "a wizard" who will kill all the "Turks" with "rap magic" (everything's in quotes because those are all from the copypasta)--2600:4040:475E:F600:3141:B452:720B:901C (talk) 02:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Linguistic conspiracy

The linguistic basis for this glossary is , in my view, problematic. It supposes that language use is actually a strategy of a language group. The preface begins

"The hijacking of these harmless terms is one of their main strategies, as they aim to mask their blatant neo-Nazism; as always, listening to context and method of usage is important for separating innocuous usage from malicious cover."

The implication that this so-called group is integrated well enough to have its own language is likely to be gratuitous. Even if this were possible the result would be an Alt-right Creole, which it certainly is not. However, language forms spontaneously as needed and is seldom permanant enough to establish a definite alternative normative meaning in otherwise heterogeneous groups. A problem with this statement is the faulty reification device that allows the use of the term "strategy". This depends upon the fallacy: people who use the same language are in some ways very much the same. An alternative modern view in linguistics might be language use does not arise as a strategy, but because it is a mental form of mimesis.UncleKrampus (talk) 18:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I think the cohesiveness of this group seemed a lot clearer in the period 2015-2021, coinciding with tRumpism and appearing on 4chan/8chan and largely uncensored Twitter & Reddit groups. Bongolian (talk) 18:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

N-tower addendum

It looks like very few people are going for the full N-tower anymore, simply content to liking the initial post and moving on. It seems "N" alone (see most of this guy's replies) is enough for them to wink at each other now. Twentydragon (talk) 12:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

add reptilian

the reptilian conspiracy theory is a lot like the Qanon conspiracy theroy and i think adding it in somewhere would be helpfull ^{— Unsigned, by: 2605:4a80:a300:19a0:8492:e516:9fe4:7e81 / talk / contribs}

Any sources for alternative use of 🧃 emoji?

The alt-right are trying to use 🧃 as a dog-whistle on Twitter, can't find any articles though. ^{— Unsigned, by: HardlyASaint / talk / contribs}

"You will own nothing and be happy" — Red-baiting

The phrase "You will own nothing and be happy" could be taken as a misinformed jab at communism. (I say "misinformed" not out of sympathy towards communism, but in acknowledgment of the fact that it does draw a distinction between public property (property reserved for government use or available to all members of a community), private property (property reserved for corporate use), and personal property (property reserved for an individual or family unit); communism is okay with the first and third of those, but not the second. So communism in and of itself doesn't actually force people to "own nothing" (communism as interpreted by authoritarian regimes like the USSR, China, and North Korea might not live up to that), though knee-jerk fearmongers who hate communism as a matter of tribalistic principle may not be aware of that.

I was going to put all of this in the article as a footnote, but then I realized that I'm not aware of any far-right or alt-right sources using "You will own nothing and be happy" generally as a jab at the concept of communism rather than in the specific sense that the article already describes. I'm a bit hesitant to include information that doesn't actually reflect reality, so… does anyone actually say "you will own nothing and be happy" as though it's an aspect of communism? --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

One could also make a distinction between "public" property and communal property, as conflating state ownership with communal ownership is fallacious in light of the fact that many cultures have practiced communal ownership of property without it being imposed from the top-down, ie meaningful public control as opposed to something like the USSR where the state dictated how property was used and to what end, ie it's not meaningful communal ownership of property. Carthage (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

TDS

I've seen the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) thing turned on them in recent years, with a variant called "Trans Derangement Syndrome" (also TDS), i.e. right wingers who are constantly talking about trans people. (I don't think I need to explain the difference in actual "derangement" between talking a lot about a 1% minority you hate vs. talking a lot about the [former] President of the United States.) Chillpilled (talk) 20:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Waifu

I wonder why the Alt-Right is obsessed with fictional female characters and/or caricatures from cartoons and comics and/or "anime and manga?" Boneless (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

what are you expecting from terminally online losers? --Aethieizt (talk) 15:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That's a lotta links. Chillpilled (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Working on this This being Gold

Currently I am working on this article by fixing the references. There seems to be a lot of Bare http links in this article. I would also add sources on some of the sections ←§ Reichtangle (talk) 18:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Make sure all the links to X/Twitter, blogs, forums, and other obscure sites are archived as well. Plutocow (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Also too many links to Wikipedia articles I will fix those too. ←§ Reichtangle (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Cover story (sticky)

I archived the http links i also added sources to sections that were lacking. I actually tried unlike Last time --Reichtangle (talk) 11:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

'In Minecraft'

I may be misremembering, but I believe I have heard 'In Minecraft' being used by non-Alt-Righters before, though I do not have sources to back this up sadly; Is this worth mentioning? ^{— Unsigned, by: TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan / talk / contribs}

Generally if you're adding content to a gold-ranked article, it should be sourced. Carthage (talk) 23:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

'-oid'

I have noticed that the Alt-Right and related groups (Such as the Manosphere) like to refer to groups (Specifically ones they don't like) as the name of the group with the suffix '-oid'; Would this be worth adding to the article? TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sneed

If you're wondering how an obscure Simpsons skit turned into a catchphrase repeated by this milieu. I might have an explanation, although I'm not even totally certain about it. I've seen some indication that it turned this way because 4chan's /tv/ moderators kept deleting this "Sneed" spam, which led to some sort of conspiracy theory that liberal/transgender/CIA moderators were trying to suppress it for who knows what reason (I've seen it supposed that it was because the joke is "offensive" because it's crude). This is despite the fact that most of 4chan's moderators today seem to be right-wing, with a very small handful of notable exceptions. Anyway this is connected to a broader trend of conspiracy theories on 4chan about the site's moderation secretly being liberals, transgender, or intelligence agents (compare: Godlike Productions or Above Top Secret moderators' relationship to the conspiracy crowd). So spamming the "Sneed" thing turned into a sort of general protest against this imagined threat. I think maybe it could have been taken up this way specifically for its relatively harmless nature. Chillpilled (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Cultural Marxism and Postmodernism Disrobed

I think we should stop using the article "Postmodernism Disrobed" when discussing postmodernism in general on the Wiki, but in particular here it is quite problematic and there are a few reasons why:

The problems with citing this source:

• It is a book review, but it is not obvious from the citation that it is a book review and not a more formal and well reviewed article.
• It is obvious that Dawkins did not read the original material (all the quotes are directly lifted from Fashionable Nonsense. He's essentially reacting to quote mining)
• The book being reviewed in question, "Intellectual Impostures/Fashionable Nonsense", has quite a few criticisms that make it an unreliable critique itself.
• Intellectual Impostures/Fashionable Nonsense and the book review are promoting an extremely racist (blames black people on crimes, claims that indigenous peoples were responsible for mass extinctions), homophobic (blames AIDS crisis on gay people not stopping sexual practices) book called "Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Science". It's fairly obvious when engaging with this text that the intention is not to carefully criticize postmodernists but to target minority studies (Fashionable Nonsense gets this confused and is more focused on the writers)
• Fashionable Nonsense confuses a lot of writers as "postmodernists", most were literary theorists, feminists ect. (some, such as Guattari, even criticized extensively "postmodernism" such as in Schizoanalytic Cartographies). Again drawing into question the reliability of the source.
• The scholarship in Fashionable Nonsense is kind of dodgy outside of the critiques mentioned above. For example, there are places where Sokal/Bricmont forget to cite the source of a particular claim regarding "mathematical tensors and psychology" in the footnotes.
• Richard Dawkins talks about "cultural relativism" quite extensively in his essay collection "A Devil's Chaplain", published only a few years after "Postmodernism Disrobed". Should his opinion really be trusted here?

In short it's pretty obvious that the Higher Superstition-Sokal Affair-Postmodernism Disrobed triad should not be really included as a "critique" of postmodernism and is instead part of the movement towards the development of "cultural marxism" as a concept among the reactionary far right. I'm not the best at Wiki-ing, so I don't know the best way to rewrite that part of the article. Probably just cutting it entirely.

--Pfelix (talk) 14:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I would recommend removing any content that cites these books. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Carthage (talk) 14:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I cut the part for now. It might be good to rewrite the influence of the science wars in the development of "Cultural Marxism" but I can't come up with anything right now hahaha. EDIT: I wrote a draft for this section, but I am not familiar with Wikia so I am not sure how to place citations. I'll figure this out. --Pfelix (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)