Talk:Che Guevara

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Mass murderer[edit]

As there seems to be some debate about his status, I thought I'd kick off an article.--Bob's your uncle 10:43, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

I altered that sentence about Che being a "mass murderer" because the article is heavily biased. It makes it sound like he killed Eutimio Guerra because he suspected he was a traitor, when in reality Guerra gave away the position of the rebel forces for money. This directly lead to an attack by the Cuban airforce and the destruction of rebel supportive peasant's homes. Not to mention that Che never killed children and was hardly a mass murderer.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Che did preside over multiple mass shootings, killing political dissidents and opponents of the new regime, and summarily executed many of these people out in public to send a message to others who might feel the same. Not that Che is any worse than any of the other people in Castro's regime. (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Head stuck in the sand, eh? Osaka Sun (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
The article is a bit skewed to the right, I mean it states that Che killed children or that he assassinated Camilo Cienfuegos(!), this last one being presented as a fact, even though this conspiracy theory has been debunked numerous times (it's the first time I've read it as Che being responsible though, conspiracy nuts usually blame Castro). It needs better research than just blind hatred for the man. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
Since you seem to have taken an interest in the subject, you could try to remove/modify whatever you think is being misrepresented in the article. Then you should explain what you removed/modified and why on this talk page. If you're not sure about a statement in the article, you can also add a citation tag to it, like this: { { fact } } (without the spaces inbetween), which will look like this: [citation needed]
Also, please sign your posts on talk page with four tildes at the end (there's also a signature button on the edit page that will insert the four tildes at your selected location). Thanks! Nullahnung (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Your advice is useless in an ideology-driven web site. (talk) 12:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Yanquismo y revolución.[edit]

Esta pagina es dominada por yanquis imperialistas al servicio del vil Imperio. El trato que dan al Héroe Libertador Don Che Guevara es digno de muerte. Yanquis malditos, toda Latinoamerica algún día tomara venganza.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Translation: "Yankeeism and revolution. This page is dominated by imperialist yankees serving the evil empire. The way they treat the Heroic Liberator Don Che Guevara is deserving of death. Accursed yankees, all Latin America will one day take vengeance."--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 09:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
This article is actually too kind to Che. If this article which largely references Che Guevara— A Revolutionary Life (which is considered to be the definitive biography written by a sympathizer) is correct than the guy was even more batshit insane than what this RW article implies. NameThatNobodyTakes () 11:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Wasn't Che an anti-gay bigot and opposed to rock music? another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 16:28, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

No me asombra en absoluto que yanquis malditos conspiren contra el Che. Los criticare, pero lo haré en mi lengua, una lengua popular y revolucionaria y no en el burgués e imperial ingles. El Che asesino homosexuales por ser lo que eran: antisociales pequeñoburgueses depravados. Las depravaciones pequeñoburgueses del homosexual son completamente contrarias a la pureza y dignidad recta salida del corazón del pueblo. El pueblo odia al homosexual por depravado y antisocial, ya que el es impuro y el pueblo puro. Esto, como cualquier sentimiento salido del pueblo, es incuestionable para cualquier revolucionario, y uno debe actuar según indique el pueblo. Todos los pueblos del mundo, sin influencias depravadas pequeñoburguesas, odian a los homosexuales, y como tales deben ser exterminados. Lo mismo todo tipo de depravados similares. Sendero Luminoso, el glorioso grupo libertador del Perú, llevo a cabo con gran éxito esta campaña popular. Por otra parte, el Che prohibió el rock and roll por ser lo que es, un genero capitalista y antiproletario, inventado por pueriles e indisciplinados niños burgueses con demasiado tiempo libre. Ademas, como esta ya probado, aumenta (y en realidad se construye en) la locura y frenesí consumista. Por todos esto motivos, el glorioso Che, prohibió todas esta depravaciones.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

For those of you that don't speak Spanish, I'll say this: Don't feed the troll.-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 03:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Really bad translation:No wonder all those damn Yankees conspire against Che. The criticare, but I will in my tongue, a popular and revolutionary language and not in the bourgeois and imperial English. Che murdered homosexuals for what they were: petty, anti-social, depraved. The petty-bourgeois gay depravities are completely contrary to the purity and dignity straight out of the heart of the village. The people hate the depraved and antisocial homosexual, because he is impure. This, as any out feeling of the people is unquestionable for any revolutionary, and one should act as directed by the people. All peoples of the world, without petty depraved influences hate homosexuals, and as such should be exterminated. Sendero Luminoso, the glorious liberator of Peru, carried out with great success this popular campaign. Moreover, Che banned rock and roll for being what it is, a capitalist and anti-proletarian genre invented by bourgeois puerile and undisciplined children with too much time. In addition, as this is already proven, increases (and actually it built in) and consumerist madness frenzy. For all this reasons, the glorious Che, banned all this depravity.-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Krej can probably translate better.-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
From the translation above, you get the idea, but here's a corrected version: No wonder all those damn Yankees conspire against Che. I will criticise them, but I will do it in my language, a popular and revolutionary language and not in the bourgeois and imperial English. Che murdered homosexuals for being what they were: anti-social petit bourgeois and depraved. The petty-bourgeois depravities of homosexuals are completely contrary to the purity and dignity that is straight out of the heart of the people. The people hate homosexuals for being depraved and antisocial, because they are impure, and the people is pure. This, like any feeling originating from the people, is unquestionable for any revolutionary, and one should act as directed by the people. All the peoples of the world, without depraved petit bourgeois influences, hate homosexuals, and as such they should be exterminated. The same goes for all types of similar depravities. Sendero Luminoso, the glorious liberating group of Peru, carried out with great success this popular campaign. Moreover, Che banned rock and roll for being what it is, a capitalist and anti-proletarian genre invented by puerile and undisciplined bourgeois children with too much free time. In addition, as has already been proven, it increases (and actually is built on) consumerist madness and frenzy. For all this reasons [sic], the glorious Che, banned all this depravity.--Кřěĵ (ṫåɬк) 06:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
The BoN is either a tanky or a troll, either way, no use wasting our time on them. another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

El Chancho[edit]

So apparently, Che was also known as "El Chancho" (the pig), due to his bathing habits, or lack thereof. Any idea how to include this in the article? CoryUsar (talk)

@CorruptUser You could throw it in the start, or as part of the "idealistic years" bit. Just make sure to find a better source than a 2009 Listverse article, lol. Click Link Or Gulag (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

This one better?
Oh the irony; you can now smell like how Castro's nephew says he smelled like! CoryUsar (talk) 23:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Pink capitalism...[edit]

I doubt that Che would've approved of all the t-shirts bearing his likeness on it. I guess Che has been whitewashed like so many others before him, Cesar Chavez, MLK... Palaeonictis Fossil beds 21:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should add fucking Marx to that list. They now sell Marxist themed props in Karl's hometown of Trier, Germany. Palaeonictis Fossil beds 21:15, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
The Chinese also sell cheap tourist knockoffs dedicated to Mao Zedong. Man, he would be pissed to see how much Chinese society has drifted away from the vision he had for the future of the Chinese nation. Palaeonictis Fossil beds 21:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Having fun with communism is better than actually living under communism, or in a society trying to achieve full communism. Nerd (talk) 23:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC)