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Some 'twerps' do need be made a point of (for being too disreputable/annoying) - even if for only a few minutes. Anna Livia (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Livia So block them temporarily then. Nerd (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Signalling disapproval of such persons - especially as there were several inappropriate postings - and everybody should try permabanning once. :) Anna Livia (talk) 23:01, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 03:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dysklyver Thank you! I will think about it. Nerd (talk) 13:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit war[edit]

I just noticed you were engaged in a tenuous edit war with James Earl Cash. Please do not do this again. You should know better than to edit war. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario Once again, I tried to engage him in a respectful discussion on the talk page. But results have been disappointing... Anyway, I called in the mods. Care to weigh in? Nerd (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
That doesn't justify edit wars though. James Earl Cash's behavior is in wrong, but if that person is edit warring, you should try getting a mod's attention, not to the content of the article, but the clearly wrong action of edit warring. I know you tried getting mod attention and got called out on it for trying to rallying them, but perhaps if you just said "mods I am edit warring with someone", I do hope you're not going to get the same response, and either way, you'll get attention sooner and they can take the appropriate action and lock the page or at least block for a while, anything to stop the edit warring. Correct me if that's exactly what you've done and still got called out for it.
I'm going to weigh in in a moment, though I can't help being really skeptical about the whole Kavanaugh nomination and I just can't trust Fox News eve if Fox News is telling the truth. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario So this is what happened. Please verify this for yourself by checking this section of the talk page. Cash and I (mainly) got into a disagreement over how to best write the introduction. So I started that conversation thread. Unfortunately, we failed to convince one another. He started calling me this and that. An edit war broke out. I thought about calling the mods and incidentally, Lankaster suggested the same thing. I did just that.
Please be aware that the lead section contains no references to or citations of Fox News. The section that mentions it is not in dispute. Nerd (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Okay, let's get it clear, it's only the lead paragraph that's in dispute? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes. (I hope it doesn't spread.) Nerd (talk) 01:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I added my opinion in the end, since that's clear. Thanks. We should have the opening paragraph be a pretty plain summary. Let's have your revision as the opening paragraph, and we can go into detail about the rest + editor opinion in the body of the article. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:15, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for you input. Could you please explicitly state the version you prefer over there as well? Thanks! Nerd (talk) 01:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

He listed fucking every white place on the planet[edit]

And declared them to be the only good governments. The whole thing was race baiting, and that was just one phrase to highlight it. It's not okay to do that kind of super racist dog whistling. 9 hours is generous. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 22:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about this edit? He also lists Japan and (South) Korea. Nerd (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Not everyone who thinks Western-style democratic governments are "the shit" (in a positive way) does so because of racism you know. *shrugs* (talk) 22:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Too bad he included literal dozens of countries with "western style democratic governments" in his arbitrary label of " Africa, the worst region on earth, that's what's wrong". Fucking hell you're glossing over obvious racism. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 22:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah, but added his new comment after the block was lifted. Like the IP user stated, not everything has to be about race. But OK. Keep in mind, though, that you do not need to be a Western country to enjoy a vibrant Western-style democracy. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are examples, as is Israel. Nerd (talk) 22:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Africa is kinda known for having massively corrupt governments. It's pretty broad-brush to generalize Somali-style anarchy to the whole continent, but then no one ever claimed Gewdiwhatwasit is a global expert on politics. (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, we don't ban people for making overgeneralizations or ill-informed statements. But nine hours is just a good night sleep, so I will not unblock him. Nerd (talk) 23:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I won't unblock him this time either to avoid a conflict. Blocking is explicitly for edits harmful to this wiki. Misinformed opinions does not qualify.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Two points I would like to add to this discussion. One, most of the more notoriously corrupt countries in Africa are partly that way due to imperialistic European inference. And two, Russia has a western style democracy, but they're notoriously corrupt and authoritarian as all fuck. (This will also be added to the saloon discussion.) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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While Europe has indeed ceased colonizing Africa, the effects of what has already been done will likely take decades to fully heal. If indeed they ever fully heal. As for Russia, one could argue that they are a Oligarchic democracy, given that they display behavior consistent with both modes of governance. Further, the country has had very heavy cultural leanings toward authoritarianism, regardless of the current government. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I dunno about "ceased colonizing". One could compare the foreign aid going to corrupt regimes to the alliances of old between European colonial powers and African rulers. And there's also a lot of Western ideology being disseminated through education(which isn't necessarily bad, mind you). But it seems China is quickly replacing Western powers in terms of political influence. (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, one needs to be careful about giving aid to a foreign country. One has to make sure it goes to the people who actually need it, not corrupt government officials. But come to think of it, I find it rather strange that European countries are providing international aid when many of them are burdened with substantial public debts to the point that the viability of their welfare states could be questioned. I agree with your point about China. I will add that China is luring many developing countries (and Greece) into debt traps. They offer "easy" loans, in the sense that financial-disciplinary requirements are not particularly high. But when you fail to pay back the money in time, they get to own a piece of critical infrastructure. But much of the money does not go into hiring locals; it goes to Chinese contractors. Malaysia has recently decided to halt Chinese funded construction projects for precisely this reason. Nerd (talk) 23:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't call current European (and American, we're not innocent either) political shenanigans "colonization" since none of the powers are actually sending citizens over to the affected countries to live there. More I would call it political interference, same as said powers are guilty of doing to each other from time to time. As for China I'm not surprised at their latest scheme, it's exactly what I would expect from a country with a long history of imperialistic governments and ambitions. I also wouldn't advise under-estimating Chinese influence, given that they are currently one of the two major powers currently looking to take the U.S.A. position as sole superpower. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:06, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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True (re:1st sentence of Nerd & GC), but it's important to keep in mind that's how much of the old colonization got rolling: unequal political alliances. A conflict breaks out, you call upon help from your powerful ally, and suddenly you have foreign armies all over the continent while you've been reduced to irrelevancy. On that note, I'm curious how things will turn out in Syria. (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
India has the potential, but last I heard (to be fair it was over four years ago and India is easy to overlook, which like China we shouldn't) they still had some hurdles to overcome before they could marshal the influence needed. I was actually referring to Russia who, via covert operations, has been steadily trying to tilt the international gameboard in their favor. This is primarily evident with their attempts at election tampering, getting in bed with potentially friendly parties from countries that long been hostile to Russian interests, and assassination attempts. All these seem to point to Russia attempting to gain enough influence with the U.N. to have their international sanctions lifted and be able to call the shots on the international stage without being too obvious about it. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
An addition to my previous comment: Based on the information currently available, it would seem Russian operations have met with mixed success. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Interesting point. If Russia were to become a superpower again, she would have to do so via rather unconventional means, as you explained. At present, giant Russia has an economy no larger than that of tiny South Korea, despite having three times the population and a vast amount of natural resources, and is not anywhere near as competitive. Russia's military is formidable, but lacks the capabilities needed for power projection. Her sole operational aircraft carrier looked as if she was running on coal. Give that ship new engines! (Ironically, Russia has at least one nuclear powered icebreaker.) India, in my view, is a far stronger candidate for the title of a non-US superpower, alongside China. Although she is behind Chinaβ€”India introduced 'economic liberalization' policies in the 1990s while China opened her markets in the late 1970sβ€”she is catching up fast. Like China, she has her own respectable space program and an improving domestic military-industrial complex. A large population means a large manufacturing base. Neither country can build enough infrastructure, at least for now, though China has some "ghost towns," or forests of skyscrapers that are uninhabited. Nerd (talk) 01:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I just want to add that this discussion went more or less how I expected it would have if I had taken on GC's role. Ariel pedantically changing topic over and over and over and over, and ignoring the underlying massive racism of "Africa, the worst region on earth, that's what's wrong". Don't get me wrong, there's real stuff to talk about in the history of Africa, but regarding the original statements, there was never any real ambiguity. Stuff like that needs to be toned down, reconsidered, and not pandered to with debate centered on its bigoted premises. All this discussion of why parts of Africa have problems ignores just how shitty what was actually said was. How sweeping and obviously bigoted such statements are. The complexities of the situation present a chance to ignore just how egregious the simplistic sweeping generalization is in its character. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)