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NWord-rich

Should I point out that "niggardly", which means "not spending money when you should" has an exact opposite idiom, "nword-rich", which means "spending money when you shouldn't"? CorruptUser (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I guess you just did. And probably no. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 18:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Summer of '67

Prior to the enhanced self esteem movement under the slogan, "Black is Beautiful", and the Summer riots of 1967 particularly Detroit-the deadliest since the Civil War, it was not uncommon or unacceptable for news editors when airing or printing a quote to let the quote go out unfiltered. After the riots, news organizations slammed the door down hard on the epithet and took the lead in educating the public that this term, used for 100s of years, was no longer acceptable. The word would not find its wsy into broarcast, print, or a radio call-in show. Banning it as taboo was quite rapid, over 4-5 days, and was a topic everywhere late summer, 1967.nobs 03:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Good God

The sheer fucking skeptic bro gall of these assholes way back when. "iT's JuSt A wOrD." This article is a lot better now than it used to be. I'm glad this wiki has changed with the times, and is better for it. — Oxyaena ^Harass 09:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Well I don't like it the way it is so I am glad I never saw the earlier versions you did! FairDinkum (talk) 11:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Changes That Need to be Made

I have a few minor issues with this article as it is right now, and I'm going to change them if there are no objections. If there are any objections to the changes I'm about to make a case for, please state your reasons.

The first change I want to make is to the line that says that this word dropped out of common use due in part to 'political correctness'. I think it's time we stopped using that term as if it is valid. I'm going to tackle the article on it eventually because it is also problematic. Anyway, according to user 'nobs', this word stopped being used casually in the press in 1967, long before the canard of 'political correctness' ever appeared. I have seen no evidence that 'political correctness' has ever caused anyone to not say something. EVER. It is a term that was coined by people who wanted to re-normalize newly established cultural taboos. I don't know how data could be gathered that could satisfy me, but unless someone can point me to solid research that demonstrates that 'political correctness' has ever resulted in people not saying this word, I'm going to remove the reference.

The second change I want to make is to the right-hand sidebar, where one of the associations with this word is 'First World Problems'. The term 'first world problems' is a euphemism for frivolous issues that only people with too much free time on their hands bitch about. In fact, the people who relate to the term 'political correctness' consider it to be a 'first world problem'. So I do not believe that usage of this word falls under that category.

If there are no objections, I will make these changes approximately one week from now. FairDinkum (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The sidebar (edit: regarding the "first world problems") I think is auto-generated articles related to the category, which is language. It's not about the n-word.

The whole paragraph with the "political correctness" is weird to me. I think the paragraph is actually talking about the term "negro", but I'm not sure why that actually needs to be in this article. The n-word has been super-offensive since forever. Negro does not seem to be universally offensive, and political correctness at first Google has nothing to do with much with any debate on it (there's a little kerfuffle about that term but in general the impression I get is that it's more seen as a dated archaic term than a super-offensive one). So yes, feel free to modify or excise.

nobs is delusional and has been banned from this Wiki for some time, you can safely ignore anything he says. BobJohnson (talk) 14:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the other Bob that you would want to be careful about using "nobs" as a source for anything sensible. It is possible that he might have said something which is correct on occasion - but given his vast range of bizarre unsubstantiated opinions you would be unwise to quote him as an authority.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 14:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Agree with the Bobs. 1) Side-bar is not directly related other than "language". It is auto-generated here: Template:Langnav[1] 2) Nobs was Conservapedian pet troll here for many years, so not a valid source. 3) "Negro" is not offensive per se, just archaic. If people are quoting something from pre-1970 or so, it's not offensive, or it's a historical organization still in existence (e.g., United Negro College Fund); otherwise it's suspicious about the speaker's intent. Bongolian (talk) 20:01, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The same can be said about "Colored". The NAACP come to mind. Vee (talk) 20:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I was refuting 'nobs', which should have been obvious given the context and content of the argument I made directly after quoting 'nobs', as well as the context of the changes to the article I suggested. I don't know what using a comment without references as a 'source' to back anything up even means. Given the sensitive nature of the topic, I think it would be wise to either ask me what I meant, or reply with something along he lines of, "If you are using nobs' comment to back up your point, then..." FairDinkum (talk) 03:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding other rightwing 'mask off' moments?

I don't have the user level to edit the page (locked) but I wanted to add in more cases of 'respectable' rightwing parties going mask off in the last section, such as the 1964 Smethwick election ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on ) and Lee Atwater's infamous interview in 1981 ( https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ ). Hopefully someone else can add these to that section. Justhere (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)