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An interesting link for background[edit]

I did not find a place for this in the article, but it might well be worth being worked into the article. here is the link (in German) for ye.— Unsigned, by: 146.185.158.123 / talk / contribs

Please sign your comments with ~~~~ (makes it easier to distinguish comments by different posters). Anyway, I'll look into incorporating the info the next time when I feel like doing a little more work here including Pegida's embarrassing racist reaction to Ferrero's Kinderschokolade marketing.NameThatNobodyTakes () 10:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Oh dear.--JorisEnter (talk) 10:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Ein paar Zeitungsartikel über Pegida[edit]

If you look at this article we might be looking at the beginning of the end thanks to the idiocy of "Führer" Bachmann... that and that might provide further background.... I would be writing a bit myself, but I am binned and my last edits were unceremoniously reverted by some people who dislike anything reeking of Avenger... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think they'd revert your edits here.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 17:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC) 17:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Another article you might wish to read: http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2016-06/pegida-krise-lutz-bachmann-tatjana-festerling-afd It also hints at issues concerning the Alternative für Deutschland which is much worthier of a solid debunking than the whole tragic situation with people hating on Israel and stuff... But alas, progress is hard to make if there are so few German speakers around here... Of course I'd be willing to be an admin at the German Rationalwiki if demand exists... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 00:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Are you gonna call it ZionWiki? PBfreespace (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
That'd be awesome, where do I sign up?--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 11:55, 19 June 2016 (UTC) 11:55, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
I added most of the information from the articles which were posted by Avenger. Thanks for posting them and giving me new motivation in expanding the article. NameThatNobodyTakes () 13:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Bachmann has granted Breitbart an interview a few months ago. He also mentions Brexit and Trump, etc. NameThatNobodyTakes () 08:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Recent policy changes[edit]

According to [1], the German government has recently passed laws in which it did exactly what Pegida demanded several months ago. 193.62.251.21 (talk) 12:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

I hereby demand that the United States hold a presidential election this November. Just wait and see how much power I have! --Ymir (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Pegida's demands[edit]

If someone is ready to expand the article before I'm going to do it in the future, here is a suggestion: I think Pegida's demands (German) deserve a closer look and a side-by-side analysis. Wikipedia has a translated list of the demandsWikipedia's W.svg if a non-German speaker is interested in helping out. NameThatNobodyTakes () 19:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The German FDP (Liberal Party)[edit]

The article says "the Free Democratic Party (FDP) [is] basically the German equivalent to the US Libertarian Party". This is wrong. The German Free Democratic Party (the Liberal Party), or FDP, is fundamentally different from the US Libertarian Party.

Unlike American "libertarianism" (a sort of loony fundamentalist ideology), European liberalism is a mainstream centre-right or centrist ideology, and not "anti-government" or fundamentalist or anything like it. The FDP in particular is the successor of previous national-liberal parties, and generally considered a business-friendly centre-right mainstream liberal party. The party is far more similar to the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton than to the Libertarian Party, which is a fringe party consisting of a bunch of oddjobs. Unlike the Libertarian Party, the FDP is not anti-government, it does not advocate non-interventionism at all (rather the opposite, its policies in that regard are more similar to Clinton Democrats), it is not opposed to gun control and other sensible policies, and it does not advocate "the abolition of the welfare state" (but really, no mainstream European politician advocates that, and the FDP's views on the welfare state aren't really fundamentally different from the policies now advocated by most social democratic parties, or at least their New Labour inspired leadership, perhaps only slightly more neoliberal). In fact FDP probably disagrees with libertarians on most issues. Unlike the Libertarian Party which is a small fringe party consisting of oddjobs and village idiots far removed from political realities, the FDP has generally been a fairly big party and has been in government for most of its history. --Jonathan Birch (talk) 09:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Also See the Wikipedia article on Free Democratic Party (Germany).--JorisEnter (talk) 09:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Just because a party does not share all wacky ideas with its international counterpart does not mean they aren't still similar... another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
It's true both parties aren't exactly similar however the long-time party head Westerwelle (whose mantra was "freedom before equality") did some good work in moving the party into this direction until the party crashed in elections. The only reason the FDP is more mainstream in Germany than the Libertarian Party in the US is due to Germany's parliamentary system where bigger parties are forced to go into coalitions with smaller parties if they receive less than 50% of the available seats. In terms of popular vote (the closest way how we can compare their support among voters) the FDP achieves roughly the same results in German electionsWikipedia's W.svg as the Libertarian Party does in US electionsWikipedia's W.svg around 5 to 20 percent. I still rephrase the bit in the article to be less ambiguous. NameThatNobodyTakes () 19:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
The Democrats? Only in a small bit of the economic politics and that only because the American political spectrum tends to be far more conservative than the german equivalent and so the "leftist" party Democrats has a rather conservative stance on Economy compared to Europeans. In social terms though the FDP are solidly conservatives in either country especially fiscally. Most of the rest like foreign policy overlaps with the Conservative "Christian Union" (CDU/CSU christ democratic and christ social union, the "S" works in Bavaria the "D" is active in the other fifteen states of Germany). In general I'd call the FDP a spin-off of the Supply Side Economics wing of the Republican Party and it is that which they have in common with the Johnson type Libertarians in the US. There are some other differences which probably can be led back to the historical roots in the Weimar-party system where the CDU/CSU were represented by the Catholic dominated "Centrum" (center party) and the FDP's predecessors were more the protestant equivalents amongst the minor splinter parties. 5.146.47.75 (talk) 12:42, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Friends, Romans Countrymen[edit]

Lend me your ear! I come not to bury Pegida but to burn its ashes! http://www.dnn.de/Dresden/Lokales/Bei-Pegida-und-Bachmann-ist-die-Luft-raus Let's hope this article proves to not be yet another premature obituary! 62.212.73.246 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the find - however except for a few new tidbits (like failing to found a Pegida-party AKA "AfD 2") the article mostly reaches the same conclusion as the appropriate section I wrote a while back. It's still a valuable reference though and will find its way into the article when I am finished writing up the analysis of Pegida's demands which should put a final dagger into the still-beating heart of this rotting corpse. NameThatNobodyTakes () 14:02, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Silver or higher?[edit]

What's the status on this one, old timers? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I've read the article rating help page but I'm not sure on what conditions an article receives a brainstar beyond discussing it on the talk page (a vote akin to AfD section would kinda seem more RW/mob-like in my opinion - has this been discussed before?).
Anyway it would seem nice if one of my pet projects here would receive a silver rating, but I think it still misses some important information which would put some nice and final touches to this article particular an analysis on Pegida's position paper (which I started working on offline some time ago, but I am currently drawing a blank on a third of it plus I'm currently lacking time to complete it) and a more concrete section on Frau Festerling whose statements and actions are Poe's law all over the place. NameThatNobodyTakes () 11:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
The article would appear to meet Bronze level at the current time, or am I wrong? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the Bronze rating was surreptitiously added a few months ago which kinda surprised me back then. NameThatNobodyTakes () 11:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Taddl Finsterdings (former Dresden mayor candidate of Pegida)[edit]

http://www.bnr.de/artikel/aktuelle-meldungen/festerlings-krieg Interesting artikel. Maybe you wanna use 'at 'eh? 107.170.215.131 (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

German Teaparty?[edit]

It might be interesting to point out the similarities/parallels between those two populist movements (although Pegida was MUCH closer to the Neonazis than the Teaparty to the "proper KKK"), their representation / footprint in the Media at their heydays and the similar time they gained attention in the public. 5.146.47.75 (talk) 12:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)