Talk:Very Serious People

Same Harris

Sam Harris would fit well on this list. Reluctantly admitting he is a "moderate liberal" who is in fact almost entirely a neoliberal supporting regime change. He overemphasizes politeness and dislikes the disruptive nature of both the left and the right. He constantly gives the government the benefit of the doubt ("lets focus on their 'intentions'"), particularly the U.S. military. ^{— Unsigned, by: 50.244.5.221 / talk / contribs}

Zakaria

I was surprised to see Zakaria in the list. I remember him choosing people for interviews who brought original, non-mainstream ides witht hem. That's not what a VSP would do. He was also willing to passionately defend Muslims against IIRC Maher, for example.

On the Characteristics of Very Serious People

It seems a fair lot of the "characteristics of very serious people" are US-specific. As a Franco-Belgian this annoys me a little. For instance, there is written that you shouldn't talk with them about French politics, but that would hardly apply for any French VSP. I'd suggest a rewrite of this part. Anyone on board? Hex4 (talk) 10:26 (UTC)

what about "Very Serious Articles?"

This could be one of them.Ariel31459 (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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Though on fairness, I see little utility for this article. It has a huge bullet list, isn't backed by any examples and it looks like a hodgepodge list of people and organizations, some without links, that I wish were explained better why they get the Very Serious Person label. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:50, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I think we see eye to eye on your points.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Very Serious Editing

Most of the media people are not really neo-cons. Judy Woodruff? Get real. The neo-con category is not consistant with the people folks want to call VSP.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Breitbart on Politico

Get better sources than an online tabloid propaganda site. No, this isn't a debate, your source is shit, do better. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 18:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. Even if that grifting right-wing webshite manages to be correct, it's always better to find another source, preferably one without a 90 degrees slant? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:17, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Why don't we just add every mainstream politician to this list

Because I feel like that's what the authors were going for--"Shut up, Brx." 02:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Or just remove everyone. As I've noted elsewhere, the concept is not that well defined. Bongolian (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. I'm motioning to remove all examples-"Shut up, Brx." 02:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Or is this worth deleting altogether? I personally prefer politics articles about more specific and obvious transgressions--"Shut up, Brx." 02:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd vote to delete, but I've been a bit leery about doing an afd. I think some anti-centrists might want to keep the page. Go ahead and call an afd if you like and see what happens. I previously removed all the examples without citations, which was uncontroversial. Bongolian (talk) 03:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I think getting rid of all examples and letting people decide for themselves who is and isn't a soulless centrist is the best compromise--"Shut up, Brx." 03:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

You decided this is a "consensus" when you haven't gotten more than two people involved. Keep this page and its examples for the time being. — Oxyaena ^Harass 03:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Okey dokey--"Shut up, Brx." 04:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘@Oxyaena: cut out the name calling. I expressed my opinion: I didn't do anything. Bongolian (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I'll admit, I was surprised at the lack of polemic but this seems more in character.--"Shut up, Brx." 04:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

This whole talkpage and its archive is just a long list of "really? them?"--"Shut up, Brx." 04:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian Why do you think I edited out the insults? — Oxyaena ^Harass 04:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd agree to nuke this page. It doesn't really add anything about the specific people that can't be found elsewhere on RW. Ace^Moderator 05:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Not a useful article, wouldn't care if it was removed as it just causes me to be more confused. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 05:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't we start an actual AfD at this point rather than hashing it out here? Bongolian (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

We should probably get rid of the category named after it at this rate too. — Oxyaena ^Harass 06:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Haven't done this in a minute but here we go--"Shut up, Brx." 06:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Brazil

Hi, im Nicolas, a Brazilian member. In Brazil, we have a similar phenomenon called the isentão(it could be translated as exemptful) Our exemptfuls are people who claim to be neither left nor right, but in favour of democracy and of the rule of law, basically vanilla liberal democracy. In practice, they are in favour of reaganite and thatherite policies carried by Tony Blair like politicians, which destroy the social infrastucture of the country in favour of businesses. They are a plague here in Brazil, often worst than the assumedly rightwing cranks, who are at least sincere about what they are for.