Talk:Viktor Orbán

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good things?[edit]

Are there any good things Orbán did besides not being a member of Jobbik? Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 15:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

You could perhaps insert {{Tumbleweed}} after the part about him not being Jobbik, that's being done in some articles on the RW for teh LULz snark?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
I see you already went ahead and did that. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 15:32, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to remove it or edit it, it's a wiki, after all (and patience is not a virtue I have. Sry. OTL).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Nah, I'm fine with that. But probably some guy will come around and insert Fidesz propaganda or something sooner or later... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
I can't really see that happening, except maybe for a mikemikev sock, but I think, that for him, Orbán or even Jobbik are much too tame, but anyway, I'll keep an eye on that article (it's on my watchlist, anyway).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:54, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
He did (finally) admit to Hungary's role in the holocaust. But that's more of an "Obvious thing that took too long". Worthy of some stopped clock snark maybe? --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 05:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It’s worth remembering that Fidesz and Orbán started out by being something like a classical liberals in opposition to the communist regime of the Cold War. I can still remember when Fidesz and Orbán were referred to in favourable terms during the 1990s, especially in contrast to Slovakia’s Vladimír Mečiar,Wikipedia who was then seen as a warning sign of where democracy might lead Central and Eastern Europe (and here I exclude leaders such as Alexander LukashenkoWikipedia in Belarus, who have hardly even paid lip service to democracy). ScepticWombat (talk) 07:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Orbán's car factories[edit]

This is the first time I hear about this. Is there any background or further information on this? Furthermore having an economy that is overly dependent on one single industry is a recipe for disaster (see London with financial services or the Ruhr area and the Midwest of the US with coal and steel). However, I don't really know much about the Hungarian economy, but if attracting the car plants was done by a "race to the bottom" in terms of wages, social standards and environmental protection, it is a high price to pay for little short term gain. However as I said I know little about it, so it may well prove to have been a good thing after all, but given what I know about Orbán and the way car plants are usually attracted (just think about the way car plants were attracted to the US South) to a new place, I doubt it. Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 20:23, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Most Central European economies depending on one, or very few industries (Czech depend on machinery, Polish on coal and some types of heavy industry etc.), which is consequence of former communist and leftist governments.-- (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Was a “Nordic model” ever either a widely accepted goal or the reality in Hungary?[edit]

I changed “Nordic model” to “liberal democracy and a social market economy”, since that seemed more accurate vis-a-vis Hungary. I’m not sure that the idea of a universal “flexicurity” welfare model was either a reality in Hungary or a widely accepted political goal amongst its political parties. Feel free to correct if I’m mistaken. ScepticWombat (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

"Nordic model", probably not, but Nordic model is not only form of social welfare state. In Central Europe, include Hungary, is more common "Prussian" form of social welfare state, which is something between Nordic model and Atlantic (British, American) form of welfare state. Stronger social net with larger financial support for low and middle-income, but with larger participation of private sector.-- (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Is Hungary a democracy?[edit]

I would say no. Therefore the status quo of the Dictators category should be preserved. What do you think? Kiko4564 (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Seconded.-Flandres (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Welp, I'm kinda bored, so Imma just jump into this. Let's put Kiko's argument into a more "formal" suit of clothing:
Premise 1: I would say Hungary isn't a democracy.
Conclusion: Therefore Viktor Orbán is a dictator.
Do you kinda see where I am going with this Kiko? Between the first (and only) premise of your argument and the conclusion of your argument you haven't done a particularly good job of convincing me. You didn't back up you first premise with anything besides subjective opinion. Why should anyone care what any of us thinks?
Premise 1: I think Flanders is really handsome.
Conclusion: Therefore, Flanders should be crowned Mr Universe, right this second!
I think the best thing to do here, if you would like to convince me Kiko, is firstly, clarify the definitions you use within your argument so we can avoid any misunderstandings. When you say a "democracy" and a "dictator", what do you mean? Then, once you have defined these things you can go on to make a stronger case as to why you think Hungary no longer qualifies as a legitimate democracy, and provide us with further reading on why Viktor Orbán is a dictator. So go on! Convince me, my lad. My mind is open. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 18:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
@Kiko4564 and Flandres And also, if any of ya want to open a formal debate on this with me, I think we have a debate space. Just for the laughs, cause I am bored, af. Regardless of what we decide to do with the category here, though I do understand if you guys are too busy with like, your actual lives, and don't find the idea of debating on some random Eastern European autocrat strongman a fun time. But, if ye are in the mood, I'd be down for that, all friendly and good faith. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 18:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)