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Fowler (talk) 09:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


You are blocked for an hour or so. Do not modify talk page comments of other users unless they are obvious harassment or vile comments. Please also check RationalWiki:Newcomers for talk page conduct. Thank you. β€” Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 10:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@GR Excuse me? You are blocking me for no valid reason. You had the cheek to do that without even asking me for my side of the story? That is wrong. My side of the story is that all of those comments were made by a certain user called User:Hastur who was at the time "unlawfully at large" from a block imposed by a moderator. I therefore striked out those comments to make it clear to other users that they should therefore be disregarded. This is clearly specified in the blocking policy, which states that the comments of a user evading his block may be removed, this by implication also permits them to be striked out in the way that I did. Please remove my block. Kiko4564 (talk) 11:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
LGM, who handed the block out, didn't bother with Hastur unblocking himself, so it isn't up to you to decide what Hastur posts should be disregarded or not. See you in an hour. β€” Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 11:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I will contact another sysop then. Kiko4564 (talk) 11:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
I am the sysop Kiko tried to contact. A few things. 1. This doesn't need to be a block, I thought there was a lot of agreement to not be as heavy handed/biting newbies, but frankly I don't care to lift it given your demeanor about this entire thing (guess what, behave like an ass and get treated like one). 2. GR has a point, don't edit other people's comments outside of a few specific circumstances (harassment, vile comments, fixing formatting, ban evasion which this isn't actually is). 3. Please don't email me just because GR didn't give you the response you wanted. 4. Check the Coop for my comments about Hastur's block, it is not a functional block since he didn't get sysoprevoked. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 11:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
A few things in response: 1) You said "behave like an ass and get treated like one". That's bang out of order. You are making a personal attack. That is wrong. 2) Alright I get it. I'm sorry for making a genuine mistake, and it will not happen again. 3) Alright I won't do so in the future. I was unaware of correct protocol. 4) OK I will do, thanks. Kiko4564 (talk) 11:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Your Coop Case[edit]

I advise you to read (or re-read) the RationalWiki:Community Standards page and the RationalWiki:Blocking policy page before making another coop case. Thank you. Bongolian (talk) 17:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I already have. Thank you. Kiko4564 (talk) 17:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


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is this you? Fowler (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fowler Yes this is me. Kiko4564 (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
jesus christ Fowler (talk) 13:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
*gulp* you aren’t, like, doing that here? yes? like, not right now...? The π—¦π—Ύπ—Ώπ˜-𝟭 talk stalk 13:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
@Sqrt-1 Funny that you should ask, well the answer is that I have been logging out to vandalise using a couple of IP addresses, which were subsequently blocked (anon only). I have been editing whilst my IP addresses were blocked using this account. However I haven't abused any sockpuppets. Am I going to get blocked and does this count? Kiko4564 (talk) 13:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
O H F U C K The π—¦π—Ύπ—Ώπ˜-𝟭 talk stalk 07:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ I hope not, users should be able to start again afresh, regardless of past fuckups. Fowler (talk) 13:14, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hold the fuck up, you were vandalising this wiki? Fowler (talk) 13:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
@Fowler Yes. Kiko4564 (talk) 13:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


@LeftyGreenMario Any chance you can reduce the length of this block back to the original period please? Bongolian didn't really have any reason to indefinitely block me IMO. Kiko4564 (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

He did express the reason of you being a self admitted vandal. Now I'd be ok with shortening the block and putting you back in the Vandal bin. That's what the bin is for after all, restricting relatively harmless vandals from doing too much damage. But I'll leave it to the mods.
Anyway, you might have more luck with appealing to Ace than LGM.Coigreach (talk) 11:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
OK thanks, I'll ping Ace if LGM declines my appeal. But I'll wait for LGM to respond first. I chose him her as he she appears to be the best choice considering that he she is the admin who initially blocked me. Kiko4564 (talk) 11:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
LeftyGreenMario is a she. Spud (talk) 13:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out, above comment amended to reflect that. Kiko4564 (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
No, and I don't particularly like how you're just going to go around and try to get more lenient mods to get you off the ban. I still have no reason to trust your motives. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Consider me baited in on into that one. My mistake Miss LGM. On that note, when would you next be willing to reconsider my appeal please? Kiko4564 (talk) 20:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Nine years. Whatever is wrong with this guy it isn't up to us to give him another chance--Hastur! (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I must point out that the first suspected sockpuppet named on that list did not result in a proven finding of sockpuppetery, or even that account being tagged as a suspected sockpuppet. So in the interest of fairness let's count my history as beginning in 2013 (when I was last blocked on Wikipedia), which would now mean I've been blocked for 7 years. Kiko4564 (talk) 21:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Kiko; I'm afraid that you are the sort of editor that RationalWiki can do without. Scream!! (talk) 21:18, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
But why? Kiko4564 (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not inclined to give that query any real attention. Scream!! (talk) 21:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, but blocking me indefinitely just because I'm a vandal is still a bit harsh. I think I'll get in touch with LGM and ask her to consider lifting the ban in due course. On that note @LeftyGreenMario, can you explain when you would be next willing to consider an appeal please? Also, do you know why Bongolian removed my email access? Kiko4564 (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi @LeftyGreenMario, I believe that about 3.5 days have passed since you blocked me initially. Is there any chance you can unblock me now please? I vandalised a number of pages, and I accept that what I did was wrong. I'm sorry for what I did to RationalWiki, and I very much regret it. I am remorseful and it will not happen again. Thank you very much. Kiko4564 (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
@Bongolian I have had a brief discussion with LGM on Discord, and she will not consider lifting my ban didn't appear to want to discuss my ban any further, apart from to ask me one question. I answered that question, but she did not respond, so I have left it at that. Can you please consider removing my block for the above reasons, and also because I feel that it violates the Community Standards (CS) and Blocking Policy. In particular the CS states "If someone has already vandal-binned someone, do not impose an indef ban unless the vandal bin has failed to stop disorder; that defeats the point of the vandal bin function.". Kiko4564 (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Are you here just to fuck shit up or are you intending to make any substantive contributions. If the latter, what? Bongolian (talk) 18:49, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian The answer is that I am intending to make some substantive contributions, particularly to areas of interest, such as law, politics, maths, physics, and possibly chemistry. I have no intention to do anything wrong e.g. vandalise pages again. If I feel the urge, then I shall avoid editing altogether, or just vandalise another website instead. Kiko4564 (talk) 20:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I have unblocked you but put you in the vandal bin. You can now prove yourself. Bongolian (talk) 19:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

vandal bin[edit]

I took you out :+) Fowler (talk) 13:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much Fowler. I will make sure to only make good edits from now on. If I fail to comply with my undertaking, please feel free to put me straight back in the vandal bin. Kiko4564 (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Vandal bin parole[edit]

Kiko PMed me links to their IP vandalism: two edits that form the basis for the oddly casual admission that they "vandalized" the wiki and for which there could be a wheel war over keeping Kiko in the vandal bin.[1] Kiko also PMed me three additional instances of nearly identical "vandalism", which is the full universe of what Kiko contends they're responsible for. [2][3][4] All 5 edits consist of nonsense like adding that Kirk Cameron, a Wash U professor, and all people from Spain have small penises to the article history, as Kiko nearly immediately reverted their own edits using their regular account. It's weird behavior, and I don't understand why Kiko did it or is talking about, but it inconvenienced no one and is otherwise pretty harmless. I'm removing Kiko from the vandal bin with the exhortation that anyone who wants to add them back ought to justify it.

Kiko, obviously don't do dumb stuff like this or people are going to jump all over you and I likely won't be around. Nutty Roux (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Obviously I won't do dumb stuff like this in the future. If I do, then feel free to put me straight back in the vandalbin as I've said above. I will just point out that you have included the same link twice above here [5], can you please correct it just for the record? Kiko4564 (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


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Sock puppet template[edit]

Unless Flight is your sock puppet you can't edit the user-page. AceModerator 22:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Also you are now a sysop. AceModerator 22:57, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
No, I can confirm that I am not Flight. Thank you for letting me know, and thank you very much for granting me sysop rights. Kiko4564 (talk) 08:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey you[edit]

this block was due to Oxy being rude to me on Discord - not a valid reason for a block. Don't be a jackass. I gave you Sysop rights and will fucking take them away again if you carry on like this. AceModerator 20:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree, I made a good faith mistake, but will try and avoid making this mistake again as I've said on her talk page. Kiko4564 (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Sorry pal. AceModerator 21:32, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
But why did you desysop/promote me? Did I do something wrong beyond just that? Or is it just this? Kiko4564 (talk) 21:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


New logo large.png Your welcome to RationalWiki is lukewarm at best, Kiko4564.

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For post-vandalbin vandalism. Bongolian (talk) 18:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm now leaving this wiki, and never coming back. Goodbye. Kiko4564 (talk) 21:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm now back from my LANCB. I've decided that I want to come back, and contribute to this fine wiki. I will hopefully get out of the vandal bin one day. Kiko4564 (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Here's your face slap of the day[edit]

Mario Smacks Luigi.gif --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Why do you think that I deserve this? Unless of course you don't think I deserve this, in which case fuck off. Kiko4564 (talk) 19:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Orange Cheeto[edit]

Real talk, you posted on Discord you support Donald Trump. Why, and will you be voting for him? Judge Dredd (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I think Kiko is supposed to be British. At the very least he has said that he resides in the U.K, so unless he's an American expat, I don't think he can vote one way or another. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 14:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here is your face slap of the day[edit]

Mario Smacks Luigi.gif

You will stop continue receiving them until you start sobering up. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean "You will continue receiving them until you start sobering up."? Kiko4564 (talk) 19:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

My block[edit]

I've yet again been blocked, I was given the reason of "bothering people". I don't know what exactly you were referring to @DuceMoosolini so can you please explain? Kiko4564 (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I mean this, exactly what you’re doing now. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Still doesn't seem sufficient to warrant a 9 hour block, so we will have to agree to disagree Duce. Assuming you were referring to me protesting my earlier block by LGM, can't you see why I feel that you were wrong to block me given that I have a right to free speech, which includes a right to protest a wrongful block. Kiko4564 (talk) 20:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Nevertheless, I can understand where you're coming from. I'm sorry for bothering people, including bothering LGM repeatedly about her decisions to block me for "being a moron", and also her decision to post a face slap on my talk page. I would like to be unblocked please. If you do unblock me, then I will not bother people again. Kiko4564 (talk) 20:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here is your face slap of the day[edit]

Mario Smacks Luigi.gif --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Here is your face slap of the day[edit]

Mario Smacks Luigi.gif --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that Kiko has some sort of fetish for being slapped across the face. It's the only explanation I can think to why he keeps coming back for more. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 20:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
well, don't kink shame --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey, whatever tickles his fancy. I've no problem with it. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 21:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

My block[edit]

Hello everyone, I would like to appeal against my unjustified block on the grounds that it was made solely to punish me for protesting against my previous block by Nutty Roux. It was not necessary to prevent disorder, nor was it made for that purpose. I will also point out that DuceMooslini, the blocking admin had previously blocked me, and was therefore involved with me previously in my opinion. Can someone please consider unblocking me? I promise that I will not continue protesting my previous blocks if this block is removed. Kiko4564 (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

As an uninvolved user I reviewed the block, but it didn't seem long enough... I remedied this. Judge Dredd (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
OK well, I disagree. The extension to my block is definitely wrong, given that I was blocked for just leaving one "trolling" talk page message. That's hardly "harassment". Can someone please undo this? Kiko4564 (talk) 19:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Block appeal[edit]

Hello everyone, I'd like my block to be removed please. I requested it myself and would like to join the rationalwiki Discord channel. Kiko4564 (talk) 14:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

That's now been done by User:Harry Potter. Kiko4564 (talk) 22:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


Kiko4564#8506 Kiko4564 (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

2nd Appeal[edit]

@Cosmikdebris The block was entirely justified, I deliberately vandalized to get banned forever as I was pissed off with this site. But nonetheless I have changed my mind, and would like to resume productive editing on rationalwiki. Are you therefore willing to lift my block so I can do so please? Thanks. --Kiko4564 (talk) 15:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe wait a bit. SomeBurnerAccount (talk) 15:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
No thanks, I'd rather wait for my appeal to be reviewed by an admin as it was only for pi weeks anyway. --Kiko4564 (talk) 15:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I have no say in this block, but I will say that I doubt your change your mind, at least that's the impression I get from your talk page. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
OK thanks, I'll wait for a reviewing admin. Failing that, I'll quite happily wait this block out. Quite frankly I deserved it since I intentionally provoked it in the first place. I should've just requested it directly. --Kiko4564 (talk) 10:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)