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-- =w= 01:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

どうもありがとう。--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 02:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find it in good quality though ;; Mei is sad. Despite that, it is recommended by Mei <-- official -- =w= 02:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your "Users who talk about pooping" joke. IT made me laugh for the first time in over a week, and made my day! Lord Goonie ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 22:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Today I woke up and said to myself, "Why don't I ever make poop jokes?" And so I made a resolution, Deo volente inshah'allah. And now I am vindicated. You are welcome and I am awesome.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 22:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

If you were up here in the Twin Cities, I'd buy you some vegan food at the Triple Rock simply because of that joke! The Goonie Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 22:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics

Ha! I got mine in the right order in the block log :) Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 11:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Pft, so did I. I just moved the start of the refrain up rather than do a dozen lines. Crundyfail.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 11:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

T. Boone Pickens

Thought I should let you know that I gave T. Boone Pickens a page, so when you address the Natural Gas issue based on his book, you might want to add to that.--Mustex (talk) 03:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Olive

Forgot to mention; Are you a UKian? If so then buy the latest edition of Olive magazine. It has shitloads of info about the environmental impact of meat farming, loads of meat vs veggie arguments, and a cuntload of very nice looking veggie recipies which I'm going to try. If yr not a UKian then I'll post you a copy if you convince me hard enough. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm an American who lives in Korea, sorry. I'll see if I can find it online. Thanks!--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 22:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll check the postage and if it's less than a tenner then I'll post you a copy for your perusal. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

That would be solid of you, man. Thanks.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 22:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

It'll only cost a few quid to send surface mail (2-12 weeks) to Korea so email me a postal address if you'd like a copy sending. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 18:19, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

AD?

Just "AD"? Aceⁱ⁹ 01:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Please.

Done. You wanna clean-up anything? Aceⁱ⁹ 01:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Nah. Thanks, Ace! --AD

"AD"??

What does it mean? Is it your initials? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 03:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Yup. --^(talk) 03:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Name change

It's unsettling. I don't like change. I hope you're prepared for the abuse you're going to suffer for the Christian wp:Anno Domini persecution you're about to suffer; don't forget, we remain a largely evil liberal/atheist website. El Taj^{Don't make me do stuff} 15:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Name changes anger and confuse me. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I only adopted TomMoore at CP because I'd already burned my real name login when I first got there, in a fit of rage when I read the article on postmodernism. And I only used it here because I'd been lurking here the whole time while editing at CP, and wanted to be recognizable to people who'd been commenting on me. I reckon the time has passed for both such purposes.--^(talk) 20:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Bureaucracy

I see you removed your Loya Jirga nomination on grounds of not being a bureaucrat. I was surprised to find you weren't already a 'crat. Have you been nominated for 'cratship before, & do you want to be a bureaucrat? Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 01:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if I've ever been nominated. It's not something I've paid attention to, as I have seldom needed it. I don't care so much about it. I would have liked to have been in the running for the LJ, and that is probably the only time I've ever wished to be a Crat. But it's not a big deal, especially since there are so many others in the mix.--^(talk) 01:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Nominated. Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 01:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks.--^(talk) 01:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Demotion near the ocean with lotion while in lockstep doing the locomotion

Looks like you've got the votes for 'crat in the bag. Here's your instruction manual. Lord of the Goons ^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk} 04:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks like the only thing to use will be demotion power. Muchos gracias.--^(talk) 04:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

NZ

Hey are you in NZ now? Where abouts? Aceⁱ⁹ 22:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No, but you are. I'm still Korean-based, although now on the island of Jeju rather than Yeosu. I was just expanding the timezone category to include you, since we're the only two out that way.--^(talk) 22:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I am? That explains why no one could direct me to the Vatican City last night. Aceⁱ⁹ 22:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

w!

It's not redundant, it's a legitimate new topic. I was going to write things in it. ;___________; -- =w= 01:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

IT'S TOO LATE NOW I'M CRYING SO MUCH I CAN'T FIND MY CAPS LOCK--^talk 01:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It's never too late Tom Moore! ;________; -- =w= 01:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

youtube account?

I saw in the Saloon Bar that you have a youtube account, what's you name there?--Mustex (talk) 22:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't really use it - it's just for posting a few rare videos and such.--^talk 22:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

You don't?

You don't? Take my name and use the opposite, and post over-the-top nonsense on a page I've edited recently. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments are never vandalism. -- =w= 20:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

In this part of the woods we call that snark. EddyP (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Someone successfully mocking you is not vandalism, buckaroo.--^talk 20:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

They weren't mocking me. They were mocking Tolerance. They just used the polar opposite of my name. This right after Earthland just trolled Tolerance's talk page. So call me skeptical that it's a new user. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

And Earthland isn't a troll, either. He is a person who disagrees with you. Get a grip. -- =w= 20:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

+ RW supports multiple accounts AFAIA -- =w= 20:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The vandal bin is for vandals, IA. People can have as many socks as they want as long as they behave.--^talk 20:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

No, Earthland is a troll. He's admitted it. Others have called him such. He will eventually get booted from RW when enough people get tired of him. And I vandal-binned the obvious trouble-maker because it appears that the account was created solely to misbehave.

Why on earth are so many people lately being so open to trouble-makers here? MC becomes such a nuisance that people want to go, and yet others don't want anything to happen to him. Sorry, but no, those who are here only to make trouble aren't worth the time, and it's irrational to insist that RW be open to anything. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, IA...Boo Hoo! Somebody's teasing me on the internet! They make comments about me on the comments page! The same comments page I keep going back to only because it's guaranteed to piss me off!!! Ban Them! Bin Them!!! Grow a fucking pair, would ya? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 20:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

(EC) What the fuck is with the kids on here lately? Can't you read? The person just took the opposite of my name to mock someone else. Why do people have trouble reading anymore?

What the fuck has happened to RW that so many people here are cunts and not bothering with the mission that RW was setup to do? --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to speculate about the RW metanarrative right now, because the LJ stuff has played out and I am sick of it for now.

All I see is someone who is not vandalizing being put in the vandal bin. To my knowledge, Earthland is not a vandal, either, actually. From what I have seen, he writes almost exclusively on his own essay talk page when people speak to him, and responds sometimes in regards to that essay to people's talk pages. Do you know what a vandal is?--^talk 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The message was that someone shouldn't be blocked without just cause, but if they seem to be causing trouble, to vandal-bin them. This, again, is you contradicting what has already been established here.

Wake me when the grown-ups get back. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, of course you're right then. Just point out the trouble he caused, though? All I see is him making a comment of ambiguous humor value.

I don't think I'm contradicting our established policy. To my understanding, it's not okay to vandal-bin people we disagree with and call them trouble-makers.--^talk 21:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't vandal bin someone I disagreed with. I vandal binned someone who was obviously just here to cause trouble. As per the rules explained to me, this is what the vandal bin is for.

But whatever. I'll stop contributing to a glorified /b/. Enjoy. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem too obvious if I, EddyP, Mei, and Theory of Practice all disagree.

It's unfortunate that this is so important that you're going to stop contributing. I hope you reconsider in the future.--^talk 21:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Funny, Toast, Weaseloid and others have declared Earthland a troll, and you disagree. So now it's just what you four think that matters? Because *YOU* don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The LJ was setup to solve disputes, but instead you decided to resolve it yourself. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The LJ was set-up to resolve disputes that can't be solved by discussion. This is what discussion looks like. The people online right now all seem to disagree with you about your vandal-binning action. I don't know whether or not Earthland is a concern troll, but I do know that this new account is (a)not necessarily his and (b)not vandalizing, or even trolling much in a single comment.--^talk 21:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that parodist was Earthland; doesn't look like his style at all. Either way, how has that one edit caused so much harm, & how can you know that account was out to cause trouble? & FWIW, I don't think Earthland is an out-&-out troll. I think I called him a troll, implicitly, on one occasion when he seemed to be deliberately provoking another editor. But he's done nothing to merit any kind of banning or binning. Leaving over this issue is silly; you just need to calm down. Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

(I believe that I said EL was approaching trolldom) FAFUXAKE, if you don't like what someon'es saying, ignore 'em. Generally I agree with IA but s/he gets too personal. The new one (Rational Christian- oxymoron?) is just an idiot. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 21:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Why so many contradictions?

Why have you been contradicting many people here lately? Are you the only person who knows what's good and what should be done? Weaseloid's deletion of pages not used is perfectly within the project's mission of information. My vandal-binning an obvious trouble-maker was justified. So what gives that you insist on contradicting others? --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Trouble-maker =/= vandal. We like trouble makers, if they can be smart or funny, too. Grow a fuckin' pair. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Trouble-maker = vandal if the trouble-maker is solely here to piss others off. The post wasn't funny. It was an obvious trolling. Grow a fucking pair and slow down the stupidity before others stop bothering with this project. This isn't somethingawful.com, it's not /b/, so stop acting like it is. We mock the anti-science people, not piss off RW sysops. --Irrational Atheist (talk) 20:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

'Trouble-maker = vandal if the trouble-maker is solely here to piss others off.' - No. & you are not qualified to identify trolls based on one post. -- =w= 20:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

EC - AD unbinned RC a fraction of a second before I could. You're on your own with that one. -- =w= 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Mei said it well.--^talk 21:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! -- =w= 23:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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'I like jazz and death metal'

I think you said that (or maybe I dreamed it). [1] -- =w= 23:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Nope, I said it. Awesome song, thanks! Here is something for you in return.--^talk 23:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes! <---- Mei did not dream about death metal.

+ it is always appropriate to watch Azumanga Daioh. Mei can never find funny enough videos when I want to. ;____; But here is something I like anyway. [2] -- =w= 23:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I never watched much anime beyond Azumanga Daioh, so I've never seen Lucky Star. I think it's creepy how much anime puts little girls in sexual clothing and tries to sexualize prepubescence, so I've only seen a few I enjoyed. I dated a girl who watched endless amounts of that alchemist show, which seemed okay.--^talk 23:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

That is the reason I only watched the first 20 seconds of Great Teacher Onizuka. I think Lucky Star is alright though - people in LS look younger than they are because of the art style [3]. They're 17 IIRC. I don't really watch any anime outside 'Azumanga style' things - which is basically just Azumanga, LS and Haruhi-chan AFAIK. I am not an expert. Case in point: it took me ten minutes just to look up 'super deformed'. -- =w= 23:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll check out Lucky Star and Huruhi-chan, then. It seems like there's always more and more television to watch, and it just keeps piling up!--^talk 23:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Haruhi-chan is very short and available only on Youtube. ^______^ -- =w= 23:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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I suggest for you:

{{user changes mind a lot}} {{user busy in real life}} {{user works too hard}} -- =w= 04:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I just couldn't decide if being in the club would encourage me to hubris; I don't want to be the jackass going "look at what I did," I'm arrogant enough without it. But on reconsideration, I realized it would probably help more than it would hurt.--^talk 04:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Writing good articles is a good thing to be proud of. If you were just listing stubs and redirects it would be weird, but you're clearly not. Mei didn't join that club because she is lazy and worries about time management. I can't decide that it is good or bad. -- =w= 04:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It's good you didn't join the club if you didn't think you could do it. Better not to commit to something you know you won't be able to do, especially since it requires self-motivating (always tough).--^talk 04:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

♥

That's so sweet. Have fun! We'll save you a seat. -- =w= 01:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'd say the last part of your plan is extremely rational. In the sense that you'd have to be crazy to turn it down. --Kels (talk) 02:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back, hope you had a good week. Aboriginal Noise ^{Theist, barely hanging by a nail} 01:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Yup, although the long day of travel was a pain. It's weird to fly out on the 16th and arrive on the 18th, completely losing a day as you cross the international dateline.--^talk 01:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Home

Welcome to your new home (read as: Your girl is quite the hottie..) Aceⁱ⁹ 03:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

True that. I'm trying to be a busy bee this first idle week of no classes, setting up a website for my class. But mostly reading.--^talk 03:27, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I just received my study material for this semester. Contemporary Political Theory - it looks like tough going. Aceⁱ⁹ 03:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Just reply cynically to every question with, "But is that realpolitik? What about the larger consequences to national branding?" It always sounds like an intelligent comment even though it means little.--^talk 03:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Well considering realpolitik is a fairly modern political ideology I'd say - yeah. As to the National Branding....we have the all blacks. Ace Wins! Aceⁱ⁹ 03:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

America is at the top of national branding, sorry! Also we bomb entire Afghan weddings and deny it when it suits us, so we also win any sort of realpolitik index!--^talk 03:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

As soon as Kissinger dies your realpolitik cred goes back to zero my yankee-doodle friend. Aceⁱ⁹ 03:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

You just better hope you guys never find any oil or else suddenly we'll be finding that you're probably trying to purchase yellowcake uranium and need to be dealt with immediately.--^talk 04:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

We have oil, but no one fucks with NZ. Aceⁱ⁹ 04:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Pneumatically-produced sheep oil does not count. Also, that should be a real thing.--^talk 04:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey Tom...

all these "BC" redirects are going to a blank page. But you know that, right? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 05:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I'm writing it now. Would already be done but got called to a school assembly and had to meet some parents.--^talk 05:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Question for you sir

In New Jersey (where I live) the state government is having some fiscal problems, so the governor is making budget cuts left and right. One of his more controversial measures is targeting teachers' salaries and pensions. As a result, there's a lot of debate over whether teachers are paid too much or too little, and people are comparing the teaching profession here in the US to that in South Korea. So, my question is, what is the teaching profession really like over there? (The impression we get is that teachers in South Korea are better paid but have to put up with large class sizes and other inconveniences.) Thanks, Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 11:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Teaching is one of the highest aspirations in Korea, because education is one of the most important things in the culture here. And that's not lip service - the tests you take when you graduate dictate the course of your whole life, and there's an enormous tutoring industry that is equal in size to the public school system and works alongside it. Accordingly, teachers are paid very well and have extraordinary job security, but have to abide by many rules and restrictions. For example, no teacher can teach in one school for more than five years (barring administration or special circumstances) so that the best teachers will circulate and not just stay in the wealthier schools. Class sizes range widely depending on location. But the teachers here work very hard, with many small additional jobs.

Real comparisons are almost impossible. The cultures are very different - even though high school isn't mandatory, for example, 97% of students still attend and graduate. The emphasis is simply unheard of in the U.S.--^talk 23:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a much better system than in the US. On a related note, it seems like it's going to be very hard to fix the education system over here - unless our culture suddenly changes and decides to value education more, I don't see how we can effectively promote education without spending an exorbitant amount of money. I definitely envy Korea's system in that regard. Thanks for the info! Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 02:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Your blog

Have you blocked me? I haven't been able to post. ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.40.196.135 / talk / contribs} 10:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't and will not block anyone. Try a different account name or something, I don't know.--^talk 14:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey there!

I haven't seen you in a while (probably in part because of the time difference), but it's good to see you around. I've been reading some of your essays recently, and I enjoy them very much. They are very well written and always thought-provoking. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 00:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been a little busier than usual, although I'm picking RW back up now that I have more free time at work. I'm glad you like my essays - I worked pretty hard on them and tweak them regularly. I welcome any discussion or criticisms, incidentally, since that's the only way to improve. So don't hold back.--^talk 00:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I am enjoying reading your discussion with MC on your blog. I read some of it back when it was happening, but then I didn't check for a while. I didn't realize you spent so long pwning him. It's like a neverending bowl of icecream. Mei (talk) 01:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was surprised he stuck with it as long as he did. I felt a little bad, like I should take it easy on him. But he's such a pretentious little idiot. Eventually he had to claim technical problems in order to retreat (see section right above this one) because I'd cut off all rhetorical escapes earlier. Sad little idiot, alas.--^talk 01:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Conservafake

Very, very good! I applaud you, Sir! --PsyGremlinSnakk! 18:04, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :)--^talk 22:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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I like Tom Moore. Mei (talk) 03:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

And also Aom Doore. Mei (talk) 03:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

They both are fond of you, as well.--^talk 03:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

AD is my favorite era. Mei (talk) 03:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ethics

I've just re-read your essay on vegetarianism (a splendid piece), and I was wondering: what do you think about animal testing? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 21:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but it seems as though much testing can be done painlessly - obviously not exposed monkey brain stuff, but much of the pharmaceutical testing. Such enormous advances have been made with animal testing, but I am not aware of the counterfactual possibility of them having come about without animal testing. Pretty tough one. What do you think?--^talk 01:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a tricky problem. I don't have much of a issue with painless testing, but in general the problem is that animals cannot give informed consent. I suppose we should first ask ourselves whether the advances that have been made as a result of animal testing should be factored into our decision, and then move on from there. I'm tempted to say that they should, but then again, isn't that only a difference of degree away from allowing humans to be used the same way? I'm not so sure. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 02:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, clearly animals cannot give informed consent. But just as clearly, a human life is more valuable than an animal life. Both of those conclusions follow from most theories of ethics. But beyond that, it's a lot harder and more individual. Inasmuch as I can see, animals have also benefited from animal testing, but testing has not been done specifically to benefit them (most of the time). So while they can be considered to be receiving some benefit, it's much less than they suffer and is of only marginal consideration. But that leads me to the important consideration of whether or not animals should be part of ethical reciprocity at all, since they cannot reciprocate. By and large I'm inclined to think that they should not be, but that they still deserve consideration out of appreciation for the suffering (an objective ill).

So I guess I am in favor of animal testing only in distinct medical circumstances and at an absolute minimum. That means that lipsticks should probably not be applied to sheep's shaved skin until it blisters, but that a new form of insulin should be tested on them first.--^talk 02:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

and Obama is in profile with both of them

I love it. Mei (talk) 01:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I am pretty goddamn funny, it is true.--^talk 02:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

That whole page is very fun. Mei (talk) 03:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! You should add some stuff too :)--^talk 03:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

dude... eat meat its good for your health.....

While i don't understand why you hate a good piece of meat i still respect you. Waronstupidity (talk) 09:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

His essay on the subject seems to explain this very point at length. Perhaps you should read it?--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 10:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to eat meat to be healthy. The opposite is arguably more true - a vegetarian is at a much lower risk of obesity, heart disease, osteoporosis, and a variety of cancers (among other things).--^talk 10:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

well its your choice buddy, but im still enjoying meat :-)Waronstupidity (talk) 10:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I think meat is delicious. I just think I have no right to raise animals in constant suffering and then kill them for the sake of flavor. But it's your choice buddy.--^talk 11:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

HITLER was a vegetarian - David Gerard (talk) 11:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I approve of this David Gerard fellow.

David Gerard, I approve.--^talk 12:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Re health issues, I agree that someone who eats a lot of meat will be less healthy than a vegetarian, but surely someone who eats a small amount of meat (once or twice a week) and otherwise eats veggie would be healthier than both? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 12:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I also suspect that the studies showing this would be prone to bias: vegetarians are more likely to be health-conscious than the average person. Harmonic educated Hoover! 12:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that's right, Crundy, but it's certainly possible. Vegans certainly have a hard time getting all amino acids or B12 without supplements. But as a vegetarian, I'm not wholly sure of what meat provides that is not more than adequately provided in everything else.--^talk 13:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I just imagine that someone who eats a very balanced diet (small amount of meat, some fish & shellfish, lots of fruit, veg, pulses and nuts) would have a better nutritional range than someone who only eats veg etc. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

But why? I'm not a nutritionist, so I just don't know what is needed from meat that isn't gotten from dairy.--^talk 13:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Protein? Harmonic educated Hoover! 13:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

People need about 50g of protein a day on average. That's about a serving-and-a-half of seaweed, a couple of eggs, a serving-and-a-half of cheese, a serving-and-a-half of beans, or whatever. Combined with the protein from bread, milk, soy, or whatever, needs are usually met without special consideration.--^talk 13:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

BRAAAAAIIIINNNNSSSS - David Gerard (talk) 13:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Vitamin B12 isn't found in many vegetarian diets. Iron isn't found in as high quantities (unless you eat fuckloads of leafy veg or brassicas every day), yes you do get a lot of protien from seaweed, but if you keep using the same source for protien you could get an amino acid imbalance (just as much as someone who only eats steaks every day). I'm not saying you should eat meat, or that meat eating is good and everyone should do it, I just dislike this veggie attitude of "veggie diet is superfuckingcoolhealthy and if you eat even one chicken nugget you're going to drop dead of a coronary" attitude. The same as I hate the "Mac is better than PC because you will never get a virus" attitude. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 14:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I didn't think that was my attitude, but sorry if it was. Of course you can eat meat in moderation and be healthy - millions of people do so. I just think that a vegetarian diet is somewhat easier to be healthy with, is all. But as you know, that's not why I'm veg, regardless.

Iron is found in a bunch of things, but I think you're right that sources might be low. B12 is in dairy, no problem, and I don't worry about the same protein because it would be pretty boring to eat the same thing every day anyway.--^talk 23:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

PH makes a good point above as well. If you take an "average" meat eater and an "average" vegetarian then the veggie will have a much healthier diet because they will be prone to avoiding things like fast food, takeaways, and microwave meals which are all bad for you. I think the "perfect" diet, nutritionally, would basically be a standard vegetarian diet but with meat (esp liver) cooked into the occasional meal. I know that doesn't interest you though :) Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 09:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that meat-eating per se was a cause of obesity and I've known many vegetarians who suffer from potbellies often caused by yeast infections and refined carbohydrates.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 09:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

There must be an article here somewhere (not directed at AD): Vegetarian Woo (e.g. "Meat free diet is healthier", and "Humans are not biologically meant to eat meat" and all the other bullshit some people come out with). Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 10:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Tom - you still a wanker?

Just curious. 86.40.207.29 (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Why is MarcusCicero unbinned?
Remember: Hi, This is John's brother. I know he has been using this account for a variety of reasons, none of them productive for his troublesome history of mental health problems. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about this but suffice to say my mother and father have decided to withdraw his access from the internet for the duration of his most recent treatment process. I apologise on my brothers behalf for any problems he may have caused this website during his period of instability. As you know, his posts have been of a bizarre quality but that is merely a reflection of his real world mental anguishes. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
And: 20:48, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Delaware" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Argument from incredulity" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Bohemian Grove" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "John F. Kennedy" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Lucid dream" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Gerald Ford"
And: My glorious run has ended. This is not a case of 'leaving and never coming back', but more a case of 'burn out'. I created a personality on the internet so radically different from the real life version that I've forgotten even what trolls remorse feels like.. (You can thank Refugee over on RWW for providing the impetus) My highlights on RW: Making loads of people mad, especially Ace, Susan, Jeeves (Hi Jeeves! Wanker) and also Kels. Doing my best to persuade half of you that I 'was a dick who has something worthwhile to say', while really just being a dick and doing my best to annoy as many people as possible. Continuously rejecting the label of troll; even though I was the most transparent 'concern troll' in history. Riding the wave of mock grievance; So many times you put me on the centre stage with a semi reasonable grievance and I made sure to maximise the fallout as much as possible. Pretending to be a scholar (I know fuck all) One regret: Stooping to do the mental illness stunt. That was a terrible miscalculation. Adios RW! I may pop in from time to time, but at least now you'll know for sure than I'm a fully fledged troll! MarcusCicero 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
And: On the other hand, the temptation to shake the ant farm and watch them scurrying to each others aid is far too great to overcome. MarcusCicero (talk) 10:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

What happened you?

You used to be cool. I mean you were still a pompous wanker, but used to be cool. Now the mans got you and you ain't cool anymore. 86.40.101.145 (talk) 10:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

"Funny, I was just going to say the same thing. Except I would have premised it with a pompous, philistine, pretensious motif. You fucking imbecile."--^talk 10:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

AD fucking wins. Ace^X-102 10:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

How does AD win? He's being a typically snooty east coast 'intellectual' (IE, someone who doesn't read, but overheard his Marxist buddies yapping on about Marxist 'intellectuals') wanker. Wanker. Wanker. Wanker. My God, few RWians make me so angry. 66.90.73.223 (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

"What happened you?"--^talk 14:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way

Oh-hai! How's tings? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 21:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Pretty great. Been in China for a while, had an amazing time. Trying to catch up with everything now that I'm back. How you doing?--^talk 10:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Bloody hell, you get around. Learn any Mandarin while you were there, or did you stay in Kowloon? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 12:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Only a few words. It is exceptionally difficult, and didn't really come in handy: no one can understand you.--^talk 11:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Left Behind

Enjoying your reviews on that series (for some reason can't comment on-blog. Librull censorship!!). My 12-year-old poodle could write a better story - luckily they have a captive audience. Much respect to you for persevering with this, instead of jamming pencils into your eyes, so you didn't have to face this sloppy writing anymore. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 16:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you're enjoying them. They're pretty short and fluffy, so at least the pain is brief. I'm going to try to stick with it through to the end.

Weird that you can't comment. I wonder why.--^talk 06:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

word

Glad to see you back. Ace^{word up} 07:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I never really went anywhere - I read the Saloon Bar and any big things on Recent Changes almost every day. But I have been commenting more. Thanks :) --^talk 11:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Grammartown!

Tell me about life in Grammartown, honey. We here in Korea live in the country. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 10:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

In Grammartown, people who are not particularly witty try to use diminutive labels to communicate casual indifference, implying an aloof superiority. I see you are a frequent visitor. Honey.--^talk 10:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I've never been there, darling. --Idiot number 59 (talk) 10:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, sugarpie. I made a mistake, baby. Accept my apologies for implying otherwise, honeydarlinglove. 바보 사기.--^talk 10:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Wowww...

You're not as ugly as I thought you are. --Idiot number 57 (talk) 10:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Earthquakes

Whoops, I forgot to warn you of the earthquakes....enjoy! Ace ^{of Spades} 00:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand another big one hit. Ace ^{of Spades} 00:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Shit man, the news reports are looking grim. Let us know that you're all OK etc. Ace ^{of Spades} 00:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Listening live on the radio and becoming more concerned by this. Really hope you are OK. Ace ^{of Spades} 01:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Safe

AD et al are safe according to a relative on facebook. Totnesmartin (talk) 07:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Yup, all is well. We have some food and there's water dispensing down the block. Power just went on. Hostel has been badly damaged but our area is okay. Thanks for the concern :) --^talk 21:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, & glad to know you're unharmed. Your blog about the earthquake is pretty amazing. Ŵêâŝêîôîď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 20:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

It was scary.--^talk 21:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Update on me.--^talk 21:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

(Is also thankful AD is OK...) Mei III (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Howdy Mei! Glad to see you're okay, too!--^talk 21:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

And now I get to go read your blog. Mei III (talk) 21:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Dunedin

So how are you liking my fair town? Where abouts are you staying? Damo^Hi 02:40, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm in St. Kilda. Nice place, about half a minute's walk from the beach. Decent enough town, although it's been drizzly these days.--^talk 02:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Well its been drizzly everywhere the last few days. I am up in Tauranga and we've had rain for almost a week. St Kilda is nice. If you have some free time soon make sure you get out to the albatross colony. They should be there for another month or so. Best to pick a windy day. --Damo^Hi 02:49, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

My wife and I went during our first couple of weeks. It was amazing, and the birds are regal.--^talk 02:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't know if you are a sporty kinda guy, but if you are, the Highlanders v The Blues at Carisbrook on Friday night will be worth a look. Ticket prices were pretty reasonable when I last went so they probably still are. As a new Dunedinite, you have probably already worked out that Auckland is the enemy (of the whole country)Damo^Hi 11:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC).

I figured that I should watch at least one rugby game on television before I shell out to go see one. Although Dunedin Naked Rugby sounds way more interesting.--^talk 23:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

MarcusCicero

Why bin MC? At least recently, he hasn't had a high editing rate, so limiting his edit rate is rather pointless? Besides, however obnoxious you may find him, arguably he is not vandalizing, and hence vandal binning is inappropriate. --(((Zack Martin)))^™ 00:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is MarcusCicero unbinned?
Remember: Hi, This is John's brother. I know he has been using this account for a variety of reasons, none of them productive for his troublesome history of mental health problems. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about this but suffice to say my mother and father have decided to withdraw his access from the internet for the duration of his most recent treatment process. I apologise on my brothers behalf for any problems he may have caused this website during his period of instability. As you know, his posts have been of a bizarre quality but that is merely a reflection of his real world mental anguishes. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
And: 20:48, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Delaware" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Argument from incredulity" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Bohemian Grove" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "John F. Kennedy" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Lucid dream" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Gerald Ford"
And: My glorious run has ended. This is not a case of 'leaving and never coming back', but more a case of 'burn out'. I created a personality on the internet so radically different from the real life version that I've forgotten even what trolls remorse feels like.. (You can thank Refugee over on RWW for providing the impetus) My highlights on RW: Making loads of people mad, especially Ace, Susan, Jeeves (Hi Jeeves! Wanker) and also Kels. Doing my best to persuade half of you that I 'was a dick who has something worthwhile to say', while really just being a dick and doing my best to annoy as many people as possible. Continuously rejecting the label of troll; even though I was the most transparent 'concern troll' in history. Riding the wave of mock grievance; So many times you put me on the centre stage with a semi reasonable grievance and I made sure to maximise the fallout as much as possible. Pretending to be a scholar (I know fuck all) One regret: Stooping to do the mental illness stunt. That was a terrible miscalculation. Adios RW! I may pop in from time to time, but at least now you'll know for sure than I'm a fully fledged troll! MarcusCicero 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
And: On the other hand, the temptation to shake the ant farm and watch them scurrying to each others aid is far too great to overcome. MarcusCicero (talk) 10:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

He's a longtime vandal, and has gone on a delete spree before and avowed to troll subtly again. I agree that his edit rate is low, and so you're right, this probably won't even do him much harm. But vandals belong in the vandal bin.--^talk 00:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

What he said. But I thought we weren't allowed to use that template anymore? Quaru^{magnet - You can't explain that!} 00:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

(EC) Looks to me like he's done some vandalism in the past... e.g. back in 2009... but that was over a year ago. He may well be an obnoxious prick, a troll, and fifteen other things, but at present time he is not a vandal, and so doesn't belong in the vandal bin. --(((Zack Martin)))^™ 00:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

(EC)Calling it the "vandal bin" is disingenuous, it should really be called something else so people don't ask stupid questions like "Why do you lump trolls with vandals?". The bin is designed to limit the damage that can be inflicted upon the wiki by those without its best interests at heart, trolls and vandals alike. --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 00:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I thought the point was to stop people from causing mass vandalism by editing too fast? Like deleting 50 pages, or re-naming 50 pages in a row, it can be a lot of work to clean up. (Like that "Wiki on Wheels" vandal that used to be on Wikipedia, and would see how many pages they could move from X to "X on wheels" before getting blocked) MC has not been doing anything like that, at least not recently. --(((Zack Martin)))^™ 00:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I think vandalbin is good to stop people like this. MC hasn't shown any similar behaviour recently - he hasn't vandalized anything in quite a while. --(((Zack Martin)))^™ 00:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The vandal bin is for vandals and avowed trolls. MC is both, and has repeatedly demonstrated a pattern of being quiescent for a while, then either trolling or vandalizing. He has been given countless chances to reform, and gleefully squandered them. He has started and maintained long debates exactly like this one, in a further sort of trolling - things like the RationalWiki Reform Society, that are ostensibly well-intentioned but turn out to be elaborate trolls that have yielded zero positive results beyond much more attention being paid to him. I don't really know why people keep unbinning him every so often, but I think it's related to the RW community's general good-naturedness and its individualism - people who want to give the benefit of the doubt and who want to defy the group on principle (I assume you're one of the former). So I think he should remain in the vandal bin in perpetuity, lest the kindness that is one of our hallmarks here be soured into foolishness.--^talk 05:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey AD, here's the other reason why it's pointless to vandal-bin him.... he's a sysop. You vandal bin him, he'll unbin himself - just like he did. Unless he is de-sysopped, vandal binning him is just pointless. --(((Zack Martin)))^™ 09:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah. I see.--^talk 10:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Why in the fuck was he made a sysop again? I swear, one of the most aggravating things about this place is the idiot attitude toward obvious and repeated trolls, so much so that they're rewarded for their behaviour even as they're pissing in everyone else's face. I know, I know, it started as an extreme reaction to CP's policies, but can we get over that and stop being stupid just because someone's decided MC or whoever "hasn't done anything lately"? --Kels (talk) 04:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Everyone wants to be the hero.--^talk 07:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No Place Is Safe

Well, Recent Changes is crammed full and even the Saloon Bar is brimming with the revolution. Liquid Threads means that entire conversations are broadcast in toto on Recent Changes, as well. I hate Liquid Threads. And every five minutes someone else comes up with a big sweeping declaration of problems and solution, clamoring for attention and hoping to be the one who sets things in order. Probably not just an ego thing, but there's that element.

I hope things turn out okay.--^talk 23:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I recommend hitting Random Page until it blows over...it's kind of calming. ~ Kupochama^[1][2] 23:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)