User talk:Aporadox

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You're sysop now, this should no longer be a problem. — Oxyaena ^Harass 15:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.Aporadox (talk) 18:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Collaborating on your Leo Gura article

Hey Aporadox! I really appreciate your article about Leo Gura. I have some critiques of it, and I have a lot to add to it. I was formerly a longtime viewer of his, and trust me, there's a lot of really serious stuff that needs to be added and addressed. The thing is, I'm new to editing articles, and I don't want my additions to unnecessarily wipe over yours. We can talk about possible additions here, or we can find a private messaging app we both use if that's more appropriate.

Sampson (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey. Good to know you have suggestions for the article. I have a little more material to add as well but I thought I'd publish the article sooner and let others edit it, rather than working on it privately for a long time. If you reply on this page we can decide where to from there. Briefly, what do you have in mind in terms of additions or amendments? Aporadox (talk) 11:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh man, where to begin. Leo is not just another online crank, he's a very manipulative person who is aggressively selling a very strange ideology. He will insist over and over that the Universe is literally not real, literally that things and people do not exist when you are not looking at them or not imagining them, that he has attained knowledge and states of consciousness surpassing that of any spiritual leader before in history, and that his "experiences" allow him to understand quantum mechanics to an extent that takes most people "decades of study".

On his forum, when he was questioned on why he's banning so many people, he says this: "he only thing to do with nonduality is to practice it. Anything ::else is the ego distracting from the work.

Debating God does not help anyone. It's perfectly clear what God is. The only question is: will you do the practices necessary to realize it?

That you are God is not up for debate or discussion. Look and you will see that it's true. Of course most egos don't want to look. Which is why they resort to all kinds of devilry instead.

This is why Zen practice is very austere and brutal. There is no room in Zen for debate. A Zen master would never allow debate in his zendo. Smartasses who try to debate a Zen master will get a punch in the face. "

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/26473-a-suggestion-to-deal-with-the-banning-crisis/#comment-299798

What's going to happen when he opens up some kind of school in real life, and someone disagrees with him? What's he going to do? Punch them in the face? Or worse?

This is pretty serious to me. I started out listening to Leo's self help stuff when I was in a bad place in my life, and being gaslit into Leo's teachings has caused me a lot of mental harm, and it took a lot of help for me to recover. He's only gotten worse and more extreme as time passes.

In this video that was released not on Youtube, but on his personal blog for his followers, at 31 minutes in he literally talks about how beautiful death is, that really when you die you return to "pure love" and there's nothing to be afraid of. https://actualized.org/insights/infinite-love-awakening

In his video about Islam, he compares himself to the prophet Muhammed, saying that if Muhammed was alive today, Muhammed would be saying the same things that Leo is saying, literally setting himself up as a religious prophet.

Honestly there's too much to discuss to type out here in one sitting. Honestly, if you want, I'd be happy to talk more about it on Discord. A proper RW article is going to need a ton of in depth quotations from his many videos and his forum, so it's going to require some real planning and organization of info. Would you like to pick a time? We can meet in the RW Discord server. --Sampson (talk) 06:07, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

I have registered to Discord and joined the RW server under the same username I use here. Go ahead and leave me a message on there. Aporadox (talk)