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Hey, I am not sure what your schedule is like but I want to write some articles but don't have as much time so collaboration would be cool. Would you be at all interested in writing up an article about modern denial of the germ theory of disease? Could cover the followers of Antoine Béchamp, homotoxicology, ect.? tmtoulouse annoy 11:46, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

That sounds really interesting. I'll have to google that stuff. My schedule has taken a turn for the manic as well, so maybe this is a good way to go at it.--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 12:15, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Please don't[edit]

"Block the socks!" Sam Wellington the fourth 23:48, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

in principle, i approve of socks--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 23:56, 30 September 2007 (EDT)


Pal: how do I 'protect'? - I've tried several times & it just comes up 'unprotected' as you'll see from the history of JB. Susantalk to me 19:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

This is the first time ive ever used the function. Hit the "lock" button. As far as all the checkboxes you'll see, Im not sure...i guessed.--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 19:01, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
I don't know whether you have read the manuals about protection, but here are some:
If that's not what you mean by "protect," give me more clues and I can help look for friendly manuals to read. (I'm not a sysop on RationalWiki, so I cannot see exactly how the protection feature looks on this wiki. Thus I do not know whether the generic MediaWiki manuals reflect what is actually here - someone many have locally customized things.) Also see User:Teratornis#Useful searches, where I have links to search Meta-Wiki and with Google. Those two wikis have the most in-depth information available for the MediaWiki software. Also see the Editor's index to Wikipedia which is a stunningly complete guide to wiki-building know-how, with lots of helpful material that generalizes to other MediaWiki wikis such as RationalWiki. --Teratornis 12:45, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Dr. Joseph Mercola[edit]

If you get a chance, you might want to check this guy out. TerryH cites him when it comes to abandoning his belief science and medicine and taking up fundamentalism and literalism instead. You'd be able to look at his stuff with a more informed eye than me, but apparently he's got claims that modern medicine is only good at diagnosis and acute trauma, and that's about it. If that's his actual view, he sounds a bit nutty to me. --Kels 22:30, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Sounds fun...i'll have to check it out. Been blogging too much lately and running into all sorts of unsavory characters like that. Thanks for the tip.--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 22:31, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
OMG I've only been at that site for a second and it's already one of the most vile woo-factories I've ever seen.--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 22:33, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
According to WP, he's a serious promoter, critic (valid or no) of the pharmaceutical industry, and has a feud with Quackwatch. --Kels 22:37, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
We all know WP is a hotbed of deceit.!!--PalMD-Oy, mein tukhas! 22:59, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Well, to be as generous as possible to Dr. Mercola, we do have to admit that present-day medicine leaves the door wide open to quacks by having failed thus far to (a) cure everything, and (b) control its costs (religion, of course, solves neither problem, but never underestimate the power of wishful thinking). However, I'm fairly confident that in another 100 years or so, science-based medicine will (a) cure a lot more than it does now, and (b) Moore's law will have driven medical costs down to nearly zero (once computers can pass the Turing test, it won't be long before they are practicing medicine as competently as the best physicians, and then we'll Open source the robot doctors). --Teratornis 12:53, 17 October 2007 (EDT)


Please leave a link to where the convo went so those of us who are obsessed enough to follow, can? Tankies... humanbe in 21:29, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Oops. See Talk:Gay Bowel Syndrome
Thanks. Wiki protocol and all... PS, thanks for taking the effort to address this silliness. humanbe in 21:52, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
I guess i was cranky enough to crank it out. Jebus but I can't stand fools sometimes.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 21:56, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Re 'talk' deletion;[edit]

Why didn't I think of that? Susantalk to me 12:38, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

OOps, i meant to just kill the user page.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 12:44, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
It's good -- stops that offensive name appearing on Recent Changes. Susantalk to me
"Hate crime name" sounds surprisingly Conservapedia-like in a blocking reason. What are you going to do, report me to the FBI? Or maybe the KGB? Did I mention I had free sppech? 13:12, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

The community has yet to decide whether we'd like to protect user's speech at, below, or above the level of federal protection of speech in the US, but express advocacy of unlawful conduct has never been protected. Death threats are periodically unprotected. Compare Schenck v. U.S. with Brandenburg v. Ohio. I think we've chosen not to protect such acts. G'day.-αmεσ (decider) 13:21, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Interesting point though, Ames; where are we going to define our legal standards to? If I may add my own two euro-cents, then international human rights law would seem to back up Ames' point -

ICPR 18 (1), (3). 'Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, [and] conscience ... no one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.' 'Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.'

We're not coercing him in a manner that would impair his freedom to adopt a belief, and incitements to kill are a Bad Thing proscribed by other UN law, that impinges upon 'the fundamental rights and freedoms of others'. Still, as a non-governmental group, I'm not even sure if we can abuse human rights.

This is all immaterial, and to be honest, we need no further justification to block Mr Berkeley any more. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

Offensive names[edit]

If a user creates an account with a name that the community deems offensive enough that it needs removal, how about we just remove the user instead of an infinite block? I don't know where else this conversation is taking place so I am injecting here. tmtoulouse annoy 13:40, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Thats a good idea. Better than just having an infinite block hanging around. - Icewedge 13:50, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
Isn't there some sort of mad mediawiki power that can do that? Even better, the 'rename' extension is already in place - why not just deploy it now, and rename him to something less offensive? After all, that's what we've done with his content. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
I can make him disappear if thats what we decide we want. tmtoulouse annoy 15:19, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
We want him to change his name; why don't we do it for him? It allows us to stand closer to our aim of 'we don't censor people'. Also, by the doctrine of 'WWASD', I think we could allow him to continue (even if we revert his every edit), under a non-offensive name. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
I'm still of the opinion that we should feel no obligation to tolerate obvious hate speech (even if it might be prodst). As an open forum, we shouldn't censor as a rule, but as an open forum if we want to maintain even a shred of our mission, I thing we should dust off the Andy Hammer for cases like this. --PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 15:26, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
Hit them with the hammer of Thor! - Icewedge 15:33, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm with Doc, offensiveness aside, he's an intolerable waste of time. As he well knows offensive names all over the site is not a good impression to portray. If there's any way he can be totally removed (with socks) then I'm all for it. Susantalk to me 15:36, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm glad it's a topic of discussion. Imagine a similar discussion at CP! LMAO! However, if you take a step back, and, for instance think of a university newspaper. They tend to tolerate lots of different views, and discuss editorial policy ad nauseum, but when it comes down to it, they won't serve as a forum for hate speech.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 15:42, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
We don't have to have offensive usernames if we edit the username ... -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

I could be wrong, but I don't believe we have a community standard on offensive names - so this would seem to be the invocation of an "unwritten rule". And unwritten rules are a bad thing. If we really want to do something like this then we should formalize it. But do we want to do this? We're getting quite close to censorship aren't we? Who decides what names are offensive? What are the standards? And what is offensive? Things that offend "us"? That offend Christians? That offend Buddhists (if that is possible)? Things that offend atheists? This is a though call.--Bob's your uncle 15:49, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps the pr0n standard is not an inappropriate model...also, any posts or names that clearly invoke violence are probably ok to censor...why not? If there is good content, it'll percolate up eventually.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 15:56, 6 October 2007 (EDT)


Offensive usernames are made by trolls. If one does not feed the troll the troll goes away. I do not feel we need another rule. If it's a case of "what-will-people-say" about RW then I am willingly outta here. CЯacke® 15:58, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

That's a good point, of course, but I don't know...I guess I'm just wondering the point of allowing blatantly horrible stuff to stand. Damn you cracker, for making me keep thinking!--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 16:03, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
TY. I also think this is a major point: The whole of CP is de(a)dicated to controlling the message and who gets to edit. By making a new rule everytime a "problem" arises one falls into the "rule by fiat" mess that is currently CP. Look around and see what you can do about the "problem" with what is at hand. Keep it simple, silly. What makes for a "nice place" isn't that people we don't want come around but precisely the opposite. We don't know "who we don't like" unless and until we let every troll in the village "in". This sounds radical because it is. Who knows what might happen? CЯacke® 16:17, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

If someone is simply an unfunny prodst, that's one thing, but if continued violence-oriented stuff stays posted, I'm more than a little uncomfortable. I don't know the right answer, don't claim to.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 16:23, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Unfortunately we have to feed this troll by reverting him constantly. If we can force a username change then good but he then bounces up again either as an IP number or some other equally revolting name. I don't approve at all of censoring anyone's speech but death threats on Recent Changes are hard to stomach.
Yes, Cracker, I do care about what people think of the site: I don't want us to appear like a haven for racist homophobes. They have their own place to make their revolting noises where they can say what they want. If I see a heap of dog shit near my front door I remove it, mostly because I don't like dog shit, but partly because of the impression it gives of me. Let them defecate in their own yards. Susantalk to me 16:29, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
I've been away for a while so I may not be up to date on this issue. But are we talking about two different things here. (1) Offensive user names and (2) offensive posts. Or is a question of offensive user names being offensive pots in themselves? --Bob's your uncle 16:42, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Exactly - also, I'm uncomfortable about racists on steroids treating rationalwiki like a real-life video game, sacking our web site, issuing death threats and disrupting innocent people's lives. Also, I'll go write some policy.

Bob - offensive posts we can remove. Offensive usernames clog up the recent changes. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!


You ought to submit a copyright complaint to CP akin to Ames' request. It seems they're pulling a lot of Ames old material, but a lot of your contributions are still there. Stile4aly 18:14, 6 October 2007 (EDT)


I added logic/best of logic to the TOC.

Many logic articles seem not to be catted as such, and also, there is only one in "best of logic" right now (I added QM so the code wouldn't break). So please feel free to go on a catting binge, hopefully there are several worthy of being "best of".

Now I want to figure out a way to block stubbot, some of these articles are short - but complete, really. humanbe in 17:44, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

If you encounter one that is short but good enough (as quite a few of these are), change {{stub}} to {{nostub}} and stubbot will ignore the article. Also, of course, delete any insulting cats that aren't from the stub template. (nostub does not put anything "on" the page, it's just a blank template to signal stubbot to leave it alone) humanbe in 19:51, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Unfortunately my idea is still embryonic (but ALIVE nonetheless), so I'm still trying to figure out the best way to do it. Thanks much.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:19, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Did what I did help in the right direction? The cat itself could sure use a better intro (copy formatting from other "portal" cats?). Anyway, it can always be undone if you want to do it some other way. humanbe in 18:24, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
So now you admit embryos are alive, you hypocritical baby killer. Stile4aly 18:24, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Im a wonderful hypocrite. I just adore irony. Anyway, i think you got me going inthe right direction, so thanks. I'm open for any other input.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:25, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
See my category comment at talk logical fallacy - cats can be reciprocal members of each other. humanbe in 18:39, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Oy.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 19:06, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

More Evolution[edit]

Seeing as TerryH has given us a link as a gift, what do you think of this? It's certain to be garbage, but I don't have anywhere near the expertise to do anything with it. Think TimS would be interested too? --Kels 12:21, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Rootle around the site to:this, there's some beauties hidden among the plain weird. Susantalk to me 12:49, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Tethered Spinal Cord Syndrome[edit]

This is kinda way off from what we might normally discuss, but I was wondering how familiar you are with it? My nephew had an MRI done and this is what my sister was told the problem was. --Edgerunner76 12:49, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Guess i gotta do me some larnin'. I'll get back to ya.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 12:58, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
I found a number of legitimate online resources. --PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 13:03, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
Thanks, and I'm glad that I could give you something new to learn about. --Edgerunner76 13:08, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
It's mostly a pediatric thing, and im very weak in peds.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 13:09, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

My nephew is 20 months. He seems to be fairly fine now, so I would assume that his particular case isn't too severe. He'll probably need surgery, but I would imagine that he would be fine afterwards. From what I've seen, if it is taken care of soon enough it can be "cured". --Edgerunner76 13:15, 12 October 2007 (EDT)


Mmm. Talisker's ok but: Ardbeg!!!! Susantalk to me 14:07, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

I like Talisker quite a bit, but im always looking for suggestions, as long as they are available on my continent. Im not real into the horribly peat-y stuff like Laphroig.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 14:25, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
You just (nearly) named my second favourite (Laphroaig) Susantalk to me 14:37, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
I can't spell that goddamned Scottish stuff. I do like it but not for daily consumption. I prefer something a bit less, er, dirt-y for every evening.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 14:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)
Back in my drinkin' days, (yes, surprisingly, I'm sober when I do what I do), I piddled a bit with the single malts, but being in PA where the state holds a monopoly on whiskey (and wine, of all things) sales so "selection" was They all seemed taste vaguely of stale (flat) beer. CЯacke®
It is precisely 12 steps from my drinkin' chair to the "medicine cabinet", to the faucet and back. Strangely, NH has a liquor monopoly, too, but an amazing selection. And a great web site where you can actually check stock on things (as of the end of day before). image:scotch.jpg... humanUser talk:Human 16:44, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Ugly racism?[edit]

Why do you liberals consider sticking up for the white man "racism"? We whites are people too. What else: you're white. Don't be a race traitor. Leave me alone. If I'm a racist, so is Martin Luther King, and I'm sure you never would say that. Kenny Brookdale 22:23, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Uh... yeah, whites are people, too. But not special people. Any more than any others. You are racist, MLK wasn't. One people, one love, one race, one future. I loves me my Jews, blacks, yellows, reds, browns, indigenous peoples, southern europeans, "whites", slavs... hmm, and whoever else there is out there. You are a dumbass. humanUser talk:Human 00:25, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
I get the idea that some people on RationalWiki are prejudiced against Wikipedia, though. I have a dream, that one day all the wikis can join hands, and be judged on the content of their, uh, content rather than the color of their skins. --Teratornis 13:01, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
As to exactly why liberals consider sticking up for the white man to be "racism," it may have something to do with the fact that white people more or less rule the world, in the sense of being disproportionately underrepresented among the world's poorest people, and it's useful for white people who are well-off to make a conspicuous show of decrying the largely explicit manifestations of racism, to possibly delay the time when the world's poorest people might start asking why we don't all divide up the world's wealth equally. I personally haven't met many liberals who actually want to donate all their excess income to the poor, where "excess income" means everything we earn in excess of the global average per capita income. The world's poorest billion people scrape by on the equivalent of about $1/day/person, and the next-poorest two billion people earn only about $3/day/person. I don't see much to suggest many liberals (of any color) want to reduce their material consumption to that level, in solidarity with the people they pretend to care about. For example, Bono talks about the need for bankers to hand over billions to reward third-world nations for their financial mismanagement, but I don't see Bono trading in his jet aircraft and limousine for a utility bicycle, and donating the savings to people who need it. --Teratornis 13:15, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
You can't save the world on your knees. -- 14:08, 17 October 2007 (EDT)


You deleted this article not long after it was created. I was working on dressing it up to make it a bit more wikilike. It is one of our redlinks, and the original author may have simply been getting a start. Did you have a particular reason for deleting it?:--Remarcsd 23:07, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

sorry, i started it, then wanted to search for torture refs to redlink them, so i deleted it, created the internal links, then recreated it. Sloppy, but effective.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 23:09, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
You can search for torture (or any word or words) even if it is an article too. Instead of hitting the Enter key or the Go button, hit Search. (I'm assuming your problem was that you believed you couldn't search an already created article, if I'm wrong, then ignore me.) ThunderkatzHo! 13:17, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
Our edits have been crossing. I made some changes to the original which i pasted back in to the new, which you may have seen this already, but please do check to make sure I did not remove anything you wanted.--Remarcsd 23:14, 15 October 2007 (EDT)


I'll accept it. My sense of humour - and the source's - tends to border on the macabre/grotesque/unacceptable to many. I think it's hilarious *because* it forces the audience to confront ugly truths in a new light. But not everyone thinks like that...PFoster 23:18, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

If that quote had been buried in a long article about Germany it might have "flown", but as a standalone thing it was a bit unnecessary, seemed to me. humanUser talk:Human 15:36, 23 October 2007 (EDT)


Pal, sounds like woo but? : [1] [2]Susantalk to me 03:40, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

I'll have to check it out...thanks. My neighbor is an apiarist...makes great honey (or, his bees do) 08:43, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
Looks like 95% woo to me. Raw food movement, magical micro ingredients "explained" with technobabble, etc. I bet it tastes great, though. (that's where a lot of this woo starts - over processed food tastes like crap, the real thing tastes better, so it must have magic in it...) humanUser talk:Human 15:18, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

more woo?[edit]

linked from world net daily! Susansay something then! 11:17, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

K-h-a-n!--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 15:18, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
Funny how they forget to mention that if the good Doctor has in fact been nominated six times (some sites say seven) for the Nobel Prize, it's for the Peace Prize, not Chemistry or Medicine... or that the whole claim is totally unverifiable anyway, since Nobel nominations are kept secret for 50 years. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:40, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, it took me a few minutes to look that up, but it wasn't that hard to find sources. I put up a piece, just to keep my computer warm for the weekend.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 15:59, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Are ads like this legal in the US: [3] ? (WND) SusanYou don't have to talk, but ... 19:23, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

If you look at the very bottom of the add on the right it has the Quack Miranda Warning, so yeah, eternal vigilance, caveat emptor, and all that.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 08:16, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
Hey, no fair, where is our Quack Miranda Warning???? Boo hoo. humanUser talk:Human 20:47, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Come to think of it, do we have a "Woo-meister" category? That would be an awesome name for one. --Kels 21:00, 4 November 2007 (EST)

That would be fun.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 21:06, 4 November 2007 (EST)
Thank you for bluing my link and not my barrel. humanUser talk:Human 23:56, 4 November 2007 (EST)


Do you remember a while back, I complained about this users userbox? from the talk page, it looks as if you took offense. I was only complaining because, in its original form, it contained an anti-semitic slur. Something about Jews contolling everything. I realize that the user himself thought it was funny, but I figured that others not in on the joke might take offense at it. Thats why I complained. Bohdan 20:32, 4 November 2007 (EST)


Thanks for setting me aright. Slink 18:14, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for writing!--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:16, 5 November 2007 (EST)

the template you are looking for...[edit] {{fact}}, I believe. The one that resolves as "citation needed" and adds the needing sources cat. humanUser talk:Human 17:53, 6 November 2007 (EST)


I actually was just committing wandalism...--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:04, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I figured that out. Goatspeed! humanUser talk:Human 18:11, 6 November 2007 (EST)

{{mission}} Oh my! Don't worry, I'm done wandalizing. I just couldn't help tweaking the de-red-ifyers.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:39, 6 November 2007 (EST)

You should see the mess I made while playing in the mess you made. humanUser talk:Human 18:51, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Red links are a phenomenon anathema to many RW editors.

Some have a nearly apoplectic reaction to the appearance of these bugbears on the site.

One possible solution to this problem would be to change the color of red links to something more pleasing, like puce.

Some have argued mauve might also be appropriate, but there have been disagreements between Canadian and American editors over its pronunciation.


Red links appear whenever an internal link is created to an article that does not yet exist. The more times that the internal link is cited, the higher it will appear on the red link list. For example, many red links near the top of the list have 2 or 3 citations. To appear higher, they would have to be cited many times. The more times it is cited, the higher it will appear on the list, so it is not always wise cite the same internal link over and over again. The more cites, the higher it will appear on the list. Of course, the software is fairly smart so the cite needs to be on other pages.

On Conservapedia, red links in a navigation box which is featured on many pages can give Andy Schlafly an apoplexy.

External red lynx[edit]

British Woomeister[edit]

Fyi:[5].Susan... purrrrrr ... 16:04, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Feel Offended?[edit]

Sorry to reveal the truth, but thats what liberals ACTUALLY BELIEVE! A Liberal 15:15, 11 November 2007 (EST)

No, it isn't. humanUser talk:Human 15:18, 11 November 2007 (EST)

If you're curious...[edit]

...the "are" in that last block was 1.772453850905516016448056107062 - ish. --Ζωροάστρης 18:07, 29 November 2007 (EST)

I was actually going to ask. I never occurred to me to solve for it.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 18:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Welcome back[edit]

Hope you had a nice holiday! humanUser talk:Human 19:20, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks much. I won't bore you with the details, but my wife called for room service on the ship, and they said, "Are you one of the people under quarantine?"--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 19:49, 17 December 2007 (EST)
Hahahaha, that punch line needs no story... humanUser talk:Human 20:20, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Nuclear device[edit]

Hey, it was him! *points*. I'm the innocent victim here! Almost. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:48, 20 December 2007 (EST)


FYI, I have them back up and running, and figured out how I broke them. If you're interested. --Linus(plot evil tech) 16:51, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Cool, ill see if i can play around this weekend. Thanks.--PalMD-If it looks like a donut, eat it 21:53, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Andy Schlafly's mental state[edit]

If I remember correctly, you're a specialty is internal medicine. But, do you know any mental health professionals that you could have look at Andy's edits and give us a diagnosis (especially on Dawkins and most recently, archaeopteryx)? I'm assuming that he's got to be in the paranoid schizophrenic realm, but I'd love to hear someone who knows what they are talking about give us their thoughts. --Edgerunner76 10:00, 3 January 2008 (EST)

I'm willing to give it a go, as RW's locum RN (Mental Health) nurse. I couldn't guarantee the degree of accuracy though, as MH assessment includes the individual's body language, eye contact, etc, which obviously can't be seen over teh intertubes. My initial opinion, though, is that he's quite a bit of a loon - he's detached from reality, paranoid, expresses fixed delusional beliefs, feels he has supernatural/human powers, firmly believes in something that doesn't actually exist and becomes angry when challenged about his delusions (textbook psychotic defence mechanism). One thing that is clearly evident, especially recently, is the deterioration in his thought processes as his assumptions and thinking become more grandiose and distorted. One thing that would be useful to know is how old he actually is - could this be late onset paranoid psychosis? It occurs mainly in men aged 40+ but he doesn't *quite* fit the DSM or ICD-10 coding for this. Spica Shut the Fuck Up!! 10:28, 3 January 2008 (EST)
He is 40+ and, if memory serves (it does), that's the age he started believing in young earth creationism (how fitting). NightFlareSpeak, mortal 10:40, 3 January 2008 (EST)
OK, I'll bite on this one. I'll do a standard NHS MH assessment + BPRS from evidence on CP. I warn ya now, it'll take some time sifting through the bazillions of tons of shit that guy spouts to form an assessment. SpicaBollocks. 10:49, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Deterioration is definately a good word. While I would never have considered Andy sane (from the point of time that I became aware of his existence), you can definately see a difference in the Andys of say, late 2006 to early 2007, mid-2007, late 2007, and the present. --Edgerunner76 11:05, 3 January 2008 (EST)

According to his wedding announcemnt in 1984 his wife was a fourth year med student, so I presume about 22 y.o. and he had already graduated so 22+ which makes him 45+ now. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 11:10, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Edge, I agree he's definitely deteriorated over the past year. Originally I regarded him as a mild crank when he started CP but now he's turning into a full blown loony. Even PJR seems to be giving up on him. I just wonder what his wife makes of him. Even brother Roger seems to have left him to his own devices. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 11:17, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Although I've brought up the idea of a professional mental medical diagnosis for Andy, the PJR/archaeopteryx thing seems to have made me really push for it and create this topic. Something is wrong if PJR is on one side (and the relatively rational one at that) of an evolution/creation-esque debate and Andy is on the other. The phrase; "spiraling out of control" really works for him. --Edgerunner76 11:26, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Sooo... I've set up the standard assessment template on the page Andrew_Schlafly/MSA and cranked up the Talk page too. People can help chip in with the more non-psychiatric stuff like when he got married, how many kids, what jobs he has done, etc. I have a supremely evil thought:.........once we've done this, I'll hand it to one of the Consultant Psychiatrists I work with and get an independent diagnosis (I won't reveal who the assessment is about to the Psychiatrist, btw) then post that on the article :D Spica 12:16, 3 January 2008 (EST)
Actually, if I could find an online version of that big mental illness diagnoses handbook (whatever its name is), I'd be perfectly willing to do so.* Actually, I'm toying with the idea of making it into a full-blown article. My own hypothesis is that Schlafly is a narcissist, and TK is (maybe) a sociopath (both would explain more than a few things). --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:16, 16 January 2008 (EST)
*These claims have not been evaluated by the FDA, AMA, or APA. The claimer is a complete trashbat. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:16, 16 January 2008 (EST)

You're thinking of the DSM-IV, and you might want to focus on Axis II.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 17:01, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:14, 16 January 2008 (EST)


Twas me with the NZ honey (can't post on forum - no e-mail addr) SusanHelp I'm being haunted by TK 17:58, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Ah, well, Kels, Susan...both women. You know, it's easy to confuse people when there's only 3 billion others like them.--PalMD-Mmmm...Brains! 23:22, 6 January 2008 (EST)
Yeah, you doctors all look alike to me... humanUser talk:Human 23:32, 6 January 2008 (EST)
Well, it kinda depends on which end of the doctor you're looking at.--PalMD-Mmmm...Brains! 23:36, 6 January 2008 (EST)
That explains a lot! humanUser talk:Human 23:51, 6 January 2008 (EST)
Ugh, if all doctors are like you, I may just re-consider professions. Pinto's5150 Talk 23:56, 6 January 2008 (EST) (Joking, of course)
If you just drink enough, all the doctors are the same anyway (and the patients).--PalMD-Mmmm...Brains! 10:30, 7 January 2008 (EST)

I'm not as thunk as you drink I am! SusanHelp I'm being haunted by TK 10:43, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Actually new scientist did a long article on honey and wounds a few years back. here's the link to the summary. If anybody is interested in the full article I could cut and past it somewhere.--Bobbing up 10:59, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Random comment[edit]

I really like template:User why I care. Sort of says it all.-αmεσ (decider) 21:04, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks. That's what pretty much guides most of what i do.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 21:08, 16 January 2008 (EST)


You seriously haven't had access to the seekrits? Well, I've rectified it now, so go look. --Linus(plot evil tech) 10:00, 17 January 2008 (EST)


Which file did you edit, precisely? --Linus(plot evil tech) 20:08, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I told you you'd be sorry. Which file didn't I edit??--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 20:46, 17 January 2008 (EST)
Oh no, you didn't break anything. I meant to change the main page. --Linus(plot evil tech) 20:55, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Start sharpening the knives[edit]

Get some scalpels ready for this one, man. I can imagine it'll be ripe for it. --Kels 20:46, 20 January 2008 (EST)

God damn it...something really fun comes down just as this fucking flu epidemic keeps heating up. One of my residents went down today; prob'y be out for a week.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 23:42, 20 January 2008 (EST)
Ack. I wonder if my staff is gonna start coming down with it soon. I've barely got enough workers in my district as it is, and at least four are going on holidays in the next few weeks. --Kels 10:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I added the above essay to Conservapedia:Schlafly_essays. If we write about it, please add the link to our article there. Should I get a flu shot? Seems a little late... humanUser talk:Human 10:56, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I'm still giving them out. Flu sucks.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 15:16, 21 January 2008 (EST)
Seems like even Andy and Co are having a hard time figuring out how to spin this one.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 15:18, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Notice how almost all of the sources are back to the AAPS propaganda rag house organ? I'm also amused that so far, there's nothing actually medical in the article besides the title. --Kels 15:27, 21 January 2008 (EST)

And I think he still hasn't fixed his AAPS talk page. Silly assfly.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 15:35, 21 January 2008 (EST)


Usually in lolcatese God renders to Ceiling Cat, (CC to His kittehs).Warren Terra 22:31, 24 January 2008 (EST)

I will never have the patience to doctor it up with correct font, etc, so have at it!--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 22:44, 24 January 2008 (EST)
Shrug, maybe you're the beginning of a new trend in linguistics? Warren Terra 22:51, 24 January 2008 (EST)
BTW, check this out. Killer. Warren Terra 22:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)


The fact that you moved Biass only proves that you have one. :) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:59, 25 January 2008 (EST)


How can he be a troll simply by answering questions put to him? It looks to me like RWers were trying to get Iduan to join up here. Just because he declined doesn't make him a troll.

I don't think TK PalMD called Iduan a troll, he called me and nightflare ones--Danielfolsom 12:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)
Impossible, if he had wanted to tease us I wouldn't have enjoyed it. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:03, 27 January 2008 (EST)
Just being silly. Iduan has hardly been a troll. Seems like a nice guy.--PalMD-Did that sound a little harsh? 13:10, 27 January 2008 (EST)