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Men's rights

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Lest women catch up
Bros before hoes
Don't speak out of turn
Not to be confused with the men's movement, when men tried to reclaim their masculinity by going their own way into the woods and banging drums.
The list of grievances for MRAs is long. It includes the elevated rate of suicide for men, educational discrimination against boys, economic and workplace conditions for men, violence against men, false rape reporting, fathers’ rights in custody battles, rates of male imprisonment and prison conditions, and the horrors of war. Many of these issues deserve a thoughtful response and the force of an organized movement for address them. It’s too bad that’s not what men’s rights activists are offering.
—Jaclyn Friedman[1]

The men's rights movement (MRM, also known as men's rights activism (MRA), masculism, or "The Men's Human Rights Movement"[2]) is a fringe movement which espouses the view that social, legal and economic discrimination against males is present in society to the extent that fighting it deserves an organized effort mirroring that of feminism, and crucially, that any and all variants of feminism does society and the individual far more harm than good.

Based on their insistence that men are held back by women at least as much as women are by men (if not more so), combined with a general adherence to neo-reactionary strains of anti-progressivism within the movement, MRAs hold the entirety of modern feminism to be an inherently unequal attempt to worsen the "already equally unfair" balance of rights and responsibilities between the sexes by selfishly putting women even further ahead.

The question then becomes why in the world anyone in their right mind, today living, would willingly call themselves a feminist (especially if they're male!) when the perfectly good (and clearly much more egalitarian) label of MRA is — as far as society is concerned — just sitting out there in the barn doing nothing?

The MRA narrative explains this obvious plot hole as the devious result of a long-standing propaganda campaign — directed at the masses from various ivory towers — by a chaotic-evil radical intelligentsia.

To support this overtly conspiratorial view, the crankery of various fringe radical feminist cliques (such as the TERFs) are nutpicked and presented both as "what your next door feminist actually believes" and as a necessary end goal to the entire project of feminism.

The MRA membership is primarily male, though some females also identify with the movement and are sometimes known as "fMRAs" or "feMRAs". These few women are naturally held up front row center as walking proof that the MRA movement really is everything feminism claims to be.

The movement originates entirely from outside academia, and has — like the loosely related fringe movements of Intelligent Design, Objectivism and the Alt-right — failed to gain meaningful popular acceptance, nor gotten recognition as being in any way academically sound.

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[edit] Subdivisions

Like most social movements, there is no specific agreed upon set of goals and no formal organization. The general movement is an offshoot of the men's liberation movements of the 1970s, and as such, used tactics learned from the feminist movement to attempt to gain equality in several areas. The movement itself split into two groups: one that largely supported feminism, and one that was strongly anti-feminist. Both movements, but especially the latter — which is overtly misogynist — are generally understood to be to some extent a backlash to feminism.

[edit] Genuine equal rights groups

While "men's rights" is often used as a cover for sexism, there are men's advocacy groups that genuinely promote equal rights. The Good Men Foundation,[3] for example, promotes activism on men's issues, supports charitable foundations such as boys' and girls' clubs, and publishes an online magazine dealing with men's issues that also acts as a forum for dialogue between feminists and men's rights advocates. They focus on criticisms of traditional male gender norms, father's issues, factors affecting at-risk boys in inner-cities, sex and health. Naturally, according to the sexist element, the Good Men Project should be called the "Good Mangina Project" and is secretly a tool of Ms. Magazine.[4]

[edit] Anti-female groups

If you draw a picture, it must be true.

Some blatantly sexist sects of MRAs push the idea that there are definitive differences in ability between women and men (traditional values and "women's roles") that suggest women should not be competing with men for various jobs (although it is apparently all right with them for women to be more socially allowed to be child care givers, school teachers, or maids without stigma). Specifically, these groups argue that macho worlds like construction, the military, fire departments and police departments are no place for women because that's just nasty.

Many of these sites lean right-wing in the political ideologies they promote — e.g., the feminazis are attempting to steal men's hard-earned money through socialist policies. Of course, the irony meter is again through the roof here. Their ramblings tend to read like the communist tracts they also rail against: All feminists are evil (extending to all women for the MGTOW crowd) and seek to bring about matriarchal domination (i.e., become the "ruling class"). They cook up their propaganda in their nefarious women's studies classes in academia and spread it through woman's advocacy groups. This has supposedly caused most men to become indoctrinated into a false consciousness, thereby causing them to abandon "true" masculinity (class traitors) and actively work against male liberties by becoming mouthpieces for and enforcers of the feminazi agenda (useful idiots, or "manginas" in their terminology).

They also blast feminists for their "man-hatred," but they dump copious amounts of hatred on men who don't subscribe to their agenda share their persecution complex. If you don't eat beef jerky for every meal, idolize Chuck Norris, and tell your bitch to make you a damn sandwich, you're probably a mangina and responsible for the ongoing "feminization" of our society.

When confronted with concepts like patriarchy and its results, they tend to go full-tinfoil hat and assume that it's actually a sinister plot by women[5][6] and the New World Order and/or communists.[7][8][9] Women more likely to get kids/maintenance in a divorce? It's because women have mindjacked hundreds of thousands of judges and lawyers with vaginal magic,[10] not because women are viewed as "maternal" and socially expected to be caregivers. There's quite a bit of overlap with Redpillers and Gators, as well; in fact, it's best to think of these as splinter groups of the same, MRA tenets.

[edit] MGTOW

See the main article on this topic: Men Going Their Own Way

A splinter group that says that, not only are men more oppressed than women, but the only way for men to be free is to not live with women at all. In other words, the anti-feminist equivalent to the (equally kooky) radical lesbian separatism movement.

[edit] Libertarian groups

There is, however, a third class of MRA, who are sadly difficult to distinguish from the second. While still right-wing, this class of MRA tend to hold views that fall within the standard limits of a libertarian ideal, but, for some bizarre reason, seem determined to wrap these ideals in the most misogynistic-sounding language possible. Basically, women earn less money because the free market says so, and by attempting to change it, you're the devil. An example of such an MRA is Paul Elam, host of the internet radio show "A Voice for Men," who posts on YouTube under the name TheHappyMisogynist.[11]

[edit] History and goals

Ernest Belfort Bax, the proto-MRA.

A proto-MRM can be found in The Legal Subjection of Men[12] by anti-suffragist Ernest Belfort Bax in 1908, modelled after The Subjection of Women by John Stuart Mill. Bax also wrote The Fraud Of Feminism[13] in 1913 — at a time when only a minority of countries in the Western world even gave women the right to vote.[14] So apparently idiocy is a long running problem. Bax was also a socialist activist, and thus a strange kind of moonbat.

The "Men's Rights" movement comes out of the men's liberation movement of the early 1970s, a movement which itself is largely informed by and often a direct reaction to feminism. While admitting that women were clearly "unequal" in society, and while generally favorable to gender equality, the men's liberation movement set out to explore and perhaps redefine the traditional role of men in society. By the late 1970's as women's issues were being more directly addressed, significantly in the legislatures of states and countries, the men's movement saw a split, as one group supported the equality of women, and the other group felt the need to push back against the new rights and perceived "advantages" women were being given at the cost of men's position in the world.

Look familiar? Poor oppressed man, forced to do women's work!
The 80s saw a rise of "Men's Rights Activists" who largely focus on men's oppression, and less on the feminist ideas of redefining social roles in general.[15] MRA also generally have asserted since the 80s that women and feminism "went too far" and harmed men in the process. Notable MRA Herb Goldberg asserted that women played a larger role in their own sense of objectification as well as the creation and maintenance of their social roles: "I think women didn’t see their side of the coin particularly in their relationships with men; they didn’t see their part of the dance and how they helped to set up a lot of things that they found offensive, how they participated in them."[16] He and other Men's Rights groups also believed that women have the power in any sexual relationship, and men must "fight" to keep a sense of balance, which is often what leads to actual physical fights as men wrongfully use force to reclaim their power.

With the popularity of the internet, fringe groups of men's rights activists began talking with each other, creating centers for discussion of the poor life men necessarily led in a world so controlled by women. As with most internet "groups," a small to significant portion of them had extreme views-in this case, actual hatred towards women in their personal lives and in the world at large. Feeding off each other, many internet men's rights groups have become cesspools of anti-women tirades, name-calling, and even instances of verbal violence against particular women who have stirred the pot.

Outside of these extremist voices, men's rights in the contemporary world is a niche market, but a few groups have helped change perceptions of the laws and application of laws in divorce courts, custody cases and a few other legal venues.

As the movement found the Internet, a new breed of men's rights proponents found a venue for a highly anti-female view of "men's rights," no longer just focused on generally accepted inequality (like family court issues), but an overall idea that men have it bad because of women. Wonder if they'll miss all the boot-knocking.

As the MRAs found a new home on the internet, especially on /r/redpill, the MRAs managed to create a weird and and convoluted pseudo academic framework of epic proportions. The movement have managed to create a small orgy of various terms and concepts, the vast majority being completely unnecessary. An example being the needless grouping of men into different categories based on some kind of social hierarchy. These categories has grown out of simply just alpha and beta males into seven different categories (alpha, beta, delta, gamma, sigma, lambda, omega)[17] , and why these are necessary for a sensible critique of modern feminism is completely beyond reason.

[edit] Claims and rebuttals

[M]ost of the people who regurgitate these statistics – whom I refer to as MRAssholes, because “MRA” alone suggests that they’re both interested in rights and activism, but this isn’t the case – are simply not interested in addressing these statistics and the dependencies. This sort of thing is used exclusively as a whine – “look how bad us men have it!!” or “see, women are privileged too!” That’s all. No thought, no solutions, no progress; just whining.
—Spherical Bullshit[18]

There are various specific things that MRAs take issue with, some of which are legitimate issues where men are actually discriminated against. All of these arguments included here are taken directly from "Men's Rights" groups.

The interesting thing here is that feminism addresses essentially all of these concerns. It's as if feminism truly is about equality (one might even call feminism egalitarian).

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[edit] Circumcision

Circumcision (male genital mutilation or MGM) is a violation of the rights of male children. In media, it isn't given the same treatment as female genital mutilation (FGM).[19] Steven Svoboda writes that society thinks that "[w]omen's pain is simply more important than men's pain, and so we can tolerate a cultural practice of cutting baby boy's genitals."[20]First, the attention that feminism has brought to FGM has increased pressure on countries that allow MGM. Ironically for MRAs, the most feminist-friendly nations are those taking the greatest action.[21] Second, it should be noted that cutting off the foreskin doesn't remotely compare with cutting off the clitoris (and sometimes the labia) in terms of damage done (at least when "properly" done). FGM essentially ends sexual pleasure, while MGM reduces it. If one thinks that there are limited resources to fight genital mutilation, then it's worth focusing more on FGM than MGM. (If one disagrees, however, then this is a not as bad as fallacy.)

[edit] Pay gap

The “pay gap” only exists because men work far more hours at high-stress jobs they hate with longer commutes, less flexibility, more physical risk, etc., just to be breadwinners and feed their families, only to die younger and get bashed for “earning more."[22] A study by the Congressional Budget Office in 2002 compared women and men ages 27-33 who had not had children, and found that the wage gap among them was 2%.[23] Corporations have supported the drive for women to enter the workforce in order to expand the labor supply and drive down wages.[24] A somewhat unusual case of MRAs putting their money where their mouth is can be found in another YouTuber named RockingMrE. Mr. E agrees with the MRA sentiment that wages are driven down when both members of a household work...and thus he has opted to become a stay-at-home dad whose wife works.[25] How this helps either side is a question in itself.Complete crap.[26] It cannot be effectively argued that it has diminished to such a point where it is irrelevant, anywhere on the planet.[27][28] While it is sometimes overblown when discussing first world countries[29], in the developing world the wage gap can be as high as 10 cents to the dollar.[30] The wage gap does correlate with the age of the workers in question.[31] A study of lawyers in the United States found that women with no children still earned significantly less than their male partners at the same practice.[32] Should we be expecting they're all lying on a couch having babies? (And even more absurdly, do you think that feminists want men to have higher-stress jobs than females?)

[edit] War, male-only militaries, and male-only drafts

Most countries only require men to participate in the draft or national services. This means life is more risky in those countries, simply by being born male and possibly having to go to war.[33]This borders on red herring as nearly every nation in the developed world has stopped compulsory enlistment, and the ones which haven't often have neutral foreign policies. Sweden, for example, was already opposing it in 2002 for the very reason that it was undermining gender equality; they finally scrapped it in 2010.[34] Nations that do enforce the draft for women (e.g. Israel) are in the minority; nevertheless many that single-out males for conscription simultaneously portray women in a harshly negative light (think of the "get back in the kitchen" trope). Apartheid South Africa only conscripted white males, whereas black males were only even allowed in the army at all as a last resort, yet nobody in their right mind would conclude from this that Apartheid oppressed white people more than it did blacks.[35] Similarly, until 2011, openly gay people were forbidden from serving in the US military (and openly transgender people still are forbidden from serving in most militaries around the world, although the Pentagon intends to change that policy by 2016)[36][37]. And as with apartheid, nobody argues that this means heterosexual and cisgender people are or were more oppressed than LGBTQ+ people.

Some MRAs point to historical examples of when men were conscripted (such as during the two World Wars) as proof that men were more discriminated against through-out history, with all nations exempting women from the conscription. However, it should be noted that disabled men were also exempt; does this mean that able-bodied people were more discriminated than the disabled? No, it was simply because both women and disabled men were seen (rightly or wrongly) to be more of a burden than an asset.

In rare cases, such as in North and South Korea, men are conscripted into a relatively riskier military service for less than market rate pay and comparatively poor living conditions. This may be a legitimate complaint for men in these countries, but neither is representative of a Western, first-world country in which many MRAs claim citizenship nor is either country an ideal towards which feminists worldwide aspire.

[edit] Education and sports

See the main article on this topic: Education
Another claim, far more common in the anti-feminist camps, is that the modern education system is "sissifying" our boys. Our schools today discourage boys from fighting (oh noes!). Such anti-feminist MRAs claim that schools discourage competition, and "hyper protect" kids from "natural," normal, manly roughhousing. MRAs have held such actions up as proof that "feminist society" "wants boys to be girls."If evidence shows the dangers of football, especially to young children, especially to males, one would think that men would the those posed to gain the most if it was reformed. And because of course all young boys need to play football to realize their budding masculinity, and that restricting football on school hours will emasculate red-blooded young boys, leaving them to take up girly things like every other less-hazardous sport they could dream of.

[edit] Reproductive rights and mandated child support

See the main article on this topic: Reproductive rights
Summarized as "if you have the right to abort with or without my consent, I have the right not to pay for the child." Men do not have any right to force a woman to have an abortion, or carry the child to term. However, because women hold this right in full, men must have a right to declare a desire to opt-out of child support.It's debatable whether forced child support is good or bad in the general case -- whether the freedom for a father to choose not to have to pay child support is worth having the child grow up poorer if the mother doesn't abort. It is something that isn't studied nearly as much as it should be.

However, one must note that the largest burden for childcare, in terms of time and money, is on women when there is an unwanted pregnancy. If a woman feels compelled to have the child for religious or social reasons, that child was still the product of two persons, and the simple fact that she can "opt-out" (whether she chooses to or not) does not abdicate a man's responsibility. While a truly reliable, temporary male birth control is not yet available, men do have options, including using condoms and getting vasectomies.

(That said, there are a very, very few cases where a woman stole a man's sperm and impregnated herself with it; and in at least one of those cases, the man was then forced to pay child support. There are also documented instances of women becoming pregnant through statutory rape, and in one case that other courts in the United States have cited as precedent a panel of judges held a 12 year old whose babysitter molested him responsible for child support. In those cases, at least, the man probably should have some form of protection or choice; but they are rare outliers and shouldn't affect the debate much.)

Oh, and there's also the issue of putting the baby up for adoption.

[edit] Healthcare and life expectancy

See the main article on this topic: Health care
One of the odder MRA claims is that the health system is geared for women, and against men.

According to various statistics related to male health, life expectancy, and suicide rates, men's medical issues are not given as much attention as women's health problems.

The word “women” appears 134 times in the body of Obamacare. The word “men” appears twice in the body of Obamacare. ZOMG![38]
Health care costs for women are nearly twice that for men in the US.[39][40] Prior to Obamacare, many states still allowed insurance companies to charge women more for the same coverage. Because they are largely in charge of reproductive control, women tend to visit doctors more often, and their health concerns are often caught before they become out of control. Men's issues have historically been taken seriously whereas women's issues often require a real fight to be acknowledged by the medical community (e.g. where is the female Viagra?), and some issues that are usually viewed as men's problems such as alcoholism have been severely under-studied in women. Until May of 2014 the US did not even require pharmaceuticals be tested equally on female laboratory animals or human subjects, for fuck's sake, although claims that this discrepancy in testing extended to human subjects were either outright lies or were done for obvious medical reasons.

There is, however, a socially-created reality that men do not go to the doctor as often or as "soon" as women do, and this often leads to finding problems late into the medical situation, so instead of an easy prevention (say, for example, the onset of diabetes, depression, or knee problems which all can be mitigated) the patients require more serious treatment. MRAs haven't explained how feminism has caused this.

As for life expectancy, it's true that women currently live longer then men. Whether you're in Iran or Iceland they still live longer.[41] Why this occurs remains vague; socioeconomic factors and genetics may both have a part. If it's any consolation, that age difference is quickly narrowing.[42]

[edit] Suicide

See the main article on this topic: Suicide
Many MRAs point to the much higher worldwide suicide rate among men than among women as an example of inequality (though like the above, this is rarely directly attributed to feminism itself).[1]At least in the United States, there is an easy, gruesome explanation for this. As Womenshealth.gov writes:[43]
Although more women than men attempt suicide, men are almost four times more likely than women to die by suicide. One reason is that men are more likely to use deadlier means — such as firearms — when they set out to take their own lives.
Where women tend to use more knives and pills (which fail quite often), men tend to use more guns and bridges (which don't fail nearly as often).

[edit] More expensive insurance premiums

Generally tied into the above issue is that men pay more for insurance than women.[44]This is sort of true. Men actually pay less for health insurance, until about age 41[45], but more for auto and life insurance. But men are getting cheaper health insurance because men don't go to the doctor as much, they have more expensive auto insurance because they are more likely to be in accidents (now you see the problem with stereotypes), and they have more expensive life insurance because they don't shop around, live shorter lives, and lead riskier lives (this might be related to the whole "live shorter lives" part).[46] This is still a legitimate issue of concern because it paints all men with the same broad stroke in a negative way, but the people fighting to end the practice are largely feminists.

[edit] Government support for businesses

In the United States, the federal government has one program designed to support small businesses that are owned by women, but does not have a similar program targeted uniquely at men.[47]While the American government supports small businesses regardless of the gender of the owner in a variety of ways, the program supporting small woman-owned businesses is a direct response to the extreme rarity of female executives and business owners.[48][49] There is no similar rarity of male executives. It is affirmative action, but one that most people would argue is rather important.

[edit] The Birkenhead Drill

MRAs are unhappy about the "women and children first" protocol in maritime disasters, for example the Titanic in 1912, where 74% of the women survived but only 20% of the men did.[50]The so-called "Birkenhead Drill" has never been codified as international maritime law, and studies even suggest that survival rates favor men in general accidents on average; the Titanic was a rather anomalous situation, and involved massive failures on many other levels as well.[51][52] The only preferential treatment occurring today appears to involve disabled or pregnant passengers.[53] When the "women and children first" trope has been applied, you have to really wonder if it's ultimately condescending to women, lumping them together with children as people who can't look after themselves and need to be protected. And if we are getting into the ethical question of whom do you save, if your lifeboat only has room for 2000 pounds of human, and if women and children weigh less...

[edit] Family court

During the 70s-90s, it was without doubt that women were given an edge in family courts. Many if not most courts saw the mother as the more important parent, and the courts were therefore more inclined to give custody of children to the mother, all else being equal. This attitude can be found in some courts today, but it is less common and easier to challenge.[54]

Divorce became more socially acceptable starting in the 1950s. At this time, women were often considered homemakers - unskilled or unable to support themselves. As a result, during the 50s-80s courts gave large settlements of spousal support (alimony) to women. As women began joining the workforce and income disparity between genders narrowed, the practice has declined.[55]. Major reforms in the US, Canada and the UK reflect the reality of co-parenting, two parents working, and women supporting the husband. In fact, a few states in the US do not hear arguments for long-term spousal support except where there are extenuating circumstances.[56]. Further, at least in the UK, study has shown that of those who actually apply for custody of their children, an equal proportion of men and women receive custody with no statistically discernible gender bias in rulings[57]. Ironically, it was the accomplishments of feminism in the 20th century that were largely responsible for mitigating this imbalance.

The modern Western presumption that custody should be awarded to the mother was codified in the Tender Years Doctrine[wp], adopted in English law in 1839 and expanded in 1873, encouraging similar legislation throughout the European sphere of influence. Prior to the first Act, 'ownership' of children of any age (along with ownership of everything else) was given to the father in cases of divorce, up to and including shutting the mother out of their lives completely, with no recourse. So, in fact, bias in favour of maternal custody is a relatively recent phenomenon; a partial correction or mitigation of women's disadvantaged state at the time it was introduced. Some MRAs will claim that this bias has existed for a lot longer than it has in order to try to frame custody as one part of some vast systematic oppression of men. A crushing ignorance of history and/or culture is merely par for the course for antifeminist MRAs.

[edit] Criminal sentencing

In the United States, women receive significantly shorter prison sentences than men for the same crime.This is indisputable. One of the arguments against the death penalty today is that a greater proportion of men are convicted of capital crimes, and receive longer punishments for that crime. Out of the 1,300 or so executions in the US, only 12 of them were women.[58] It is inconceivable that these women are 1/100th as worthy of capital punishment as men. Believing that feminists are responsible for this rather ignores a core tenet of feminism: equal treatment, and that would also mean for committing the same crime.

[edit] Domestic violence

See the main article on this topic: Domestic violence
The legal system sometimes has an imbalance in viewing domestic violence. When a call is made regarding domestic violence in the homes, men are generally assumed to be the perpetrator and women the victim. Some states (like Colorado) have a mandatory "removal for safety" law, which requires that if a couple is involved, the male participant must be taken out of the home (or away from the scene) regardless of the circumstances. More extreme MRA positions go so far as to claim that women are the cause of violence, are more often the perpetrators of violence in the home, and that men have to react violently in self-defense.

The Violence Against Women Act and primary aggressor laws (laws in some states requiring the man to be arrested in any domestic dispute call, regardless of who the aggressor is) are factors that create environments in which domestic violence perpetrated against men by women is not taken seriously.[59]

Relatedly, some MRAs argue that laws allowing restraining orders are the result of feminism being better-funded than men's rights activism.[60]
The problem with male victims of domestic abuse being arrested instead of their female partners is real. One explanation is that we have created a society in which the valued traits in men are stereotypically masculine, such as strength, stoicism, and ability to defend oneself from a weaker woman, so society will naturally step up to protect the "weak" woman against the "macho" abuser. Abused men are sometimes reluctant to report victimization because of the stigma of being embarrassed and labelled as "unmanly"[61] (indeed, domestic violence in general tends to be highly underreported). It has been suggested that as society becomes more egalitarian, more focus will be placed on male domestic abuse.[62] This is one of the only areas where some individual elements of the feminist movement are partially responsible; when mandatory arrest laws for domestic violence first came about there was a small but rather vocal group of women complaining that police were arresting a higher percentage of women than before (the national average before such laws was 5%, and the complaints began when the percentage in Florida rose to 11% after implementation of mandatory arrest laws), and there have been occasional protests against acknowledging male domestic violence victims. Where the MRAs lose traction is when they neglect the fact that these attitudes, while certainly problematic, are only those of said individuals and not representative of feminism as a whole. Many other feminists have pointed out that the movement seeks equality between men and women on all matters, which would absolutely include equal treatment for male and female domestic abusers and victims.[63]

[edit] False rape accusations

MRAs incessantly complain about false accusations, demanding that people be punished and/or prosecuted for lying about rape and criticizing any bias, real or perceived, against an accused person.This is certainly reasonable in cases where the accuser admits to or has been irrefutably proven to have been knowingly and deliberately making false allegations, and they occasionally have a valid point; in recent memory there were some truly bizarre criticisms of Conor Oberst[wp] for having the audacity to file a defamation lawsuit in response to a completely bogus allegation (since he is known for being very pro-feminist he was apparently supposed to do nothing and allow his reputation to be destroyed "for the greater good of helping survivors" or some such, and shortly after the woman apologized he decided to drop it anyways), and in the wake of the collapse of A Rape on Campus a number of people blithely ignored the fact that protesters went unpunished after throwing cinder blocks through the windows of the fraternity house and ultimately forcing its members to live in hotels for several weeks, to name two.[64][65][66] However, these scenarios are far less frequent than many of them would care to admit. The majority of the time, when MRAs claim an accuser lied they cannot point to much (or any) evidence. Even in those relatively rare instances when they have a legitimate complaint, instead of constructive discourse their response generally consists of hysterical ranting; ironically, on one such occasion, they also pitted false accusations themselves with Occidental College's rape form.[67]

[edit] Rape of males

The more "universally" accepted claim by MRA is that men are raped, by other men but also by women. In 2012 the National Crime Victimization Survey found that 38% of incidents of rape and sexual violence were against men.[68] And frankly, being hard does not make you "willing." Both the law and society have yet to really come to terms with this. The more batshit view held by MRAs include ideas that women usually lie about rape (see where this is going?). Although the actual number of false accusations is notoriously difficult to pin down, every study done by the FBI suggests that false reporting in rape cases is no higher, or perhaps only very marginally higher, than in any other type of criminal case.

[edit] Marital rape

Marital rape laws are misandrist because the wife automatically consents to sex whenever the husband desires as part of the marriage contract.[69] A less severe formulation is that marital rape laws are unfairly biased against men because regular rape laws should cover it.This argument is so mind-bogglingly offensive that any competent observer should be able to dismiss it out of hand. Unfortunately, as the Republican Party attempts to redefine the definition of sexual assault (à la only criminalizing "forcible rape") this argument has found unexpected new ammunition. The weaker version, while more plausible, neglects to point out that many existing non-marital rape laws make exceptions for husbands, meaning that ending marital rape laws "as a separate category of rape" would require changing the non-marital rape laws, or effectively decriminalize marital rape altogether in many jurisdictions.

[edit] Criticisms

Equality?! Give me back that vote, woman! Lemme guess who's at work and busting his ass all day, lemme guess who makes the most money - I know, it's Chuck! It's the man! [audience claps and whistles] You know who's made the most money throughout history? The man! Who have been the great leaders? Men! Maybe you have Cleopatra[wp] but, Egyptians live in triangles, tetrahedrons and shit. A triangle is not manly! [audience claps] Who fought the best wars? Men! Who make the best murderers? Men! Who invented the plague[wp]? Men! We got it all, bitch! We run this show, and I don't give a fuck who knows it!
—Judge Grady, Just or Unjust[70]

Critics of both camps of the movement liken it to reverse racism and argue that men who subscribe to the ideology are merely trying to hold on to privilege granted them by a long history of patriarchal culture. The term "movement" is itself challenged, since "men's movements" function more as a social salve,[71] rather than actually redressing inequality in the overall social structure. There remain relatively few barriers to men's achievement in the world compared to women's, and few real areas where one can demonstrate a "lack of equality."[72] Where such inequalities (apparent or real) do actually exist, it is important to critique if they're a result of feminism or if they derive from cultural attitudes which long predate it. Indeed, it'll be difficult to find feminists who push ingrained prejudices such as "men are strong enough to look out for themselves and don't need support."

Men's rights activists have been criticized for privilege blindness and their tendency towards "mansplaining." Frequently, MRA arguments rely on gross generalizations (often extrapolated from anecdotal evidence) and outdated views (e.g. "Men do all the hard work and have to work outside of the home, while women get the easy jobs"). Men's rights activists also have a reputation for palpable anger, based on their personal experiences of relationships, divorce, or the law. This stereotype is common to almost all fringe groups, however, as can be seen from the "angry feminist who wants to destroy men" stereotype (which has even greater currency in pop culture).

[edit] Misogyny

Many men's rights groups use the term as a front for misogyny while claiming to be for gender equality; some openly supporting patriarchy.[73] Since they haven't gained much influence as of yet, their activity seems to be mostly limited to whining about the "feminazis" or "femtards" on the internet.

One sub-group of the men's rights movement is Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) (the equivalent of "Going Galt" for sexists). Their aim is to escape the "male-hatred" of our society, which has been poisoned by the cabal of feminists and their vile ideology (which is, ironically, not dissimilar to some types of separatist feminism). This puts them in a dilemma, as they still want to have sex but have disavowed relationships with women. The result: Sex bot obsession! Liberation will soon be at hand as the sex bot nears perfection![74]

[edit] Mistreatment of men by MRA

I would rather not see these kinds of "gay, redpill, and proud" posts. Masculinity is in part defined by our attraction to the feminine. If your preference is to be a man-pleaser then you're not expressing any kind of masculinity that's worth celebrating.
—/u/rich02468[75][76]

MRAs are known to exploit the stories of male rape victims for their own agenda of proving that men are the really oppressed ones. [77] They lure in insecure men into their movement.[76] In the MRA movement, there exists a known hatred for gay men.[76]

[edit] 2014 Isla Vista killings

See the main article on this topic: 2014 Isla Vista killings

On May 23, 2014, in Isla Vista, California, near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, Elliot Rodger, a 22-year old student, went on a misogyny-fueled killing spree, murdering 2 women and 4 men, wounding 13, and finally committing suicide when confronted by the police.[78] Before the murders, Rodger had posted a series of YouTube videos and a 140-page manifesto detailing his wishes of violent retribution against women and society for their perceived slights against him (consisting mainly of not engaging in a sexual relationship with him). He also had a history of making posts in the same spirit on various Internet forums, most notably on PUAHate, a website bashing pick-up artists but populated mainly by self-identified "incels" ("involuntarily celibate") and other malcontents that was taken down as soon as the connection started to gain publicity.

Parts of the media and various feminists pointed out the sexist angle, some referring to Rodger as an MRA. Various MRA sites and personalities switched into full defensive mode, dismissing any possible connection between Rodger's ideas and their rhetoric, and going on the offense, decrying the "politicization" of the murders by feminists. Many went as far as to claim that the murders were entirely attributable to mental illness (no one anywhere actually disputed the relevance of his mental health issues) and had nothing whatsoever to do with his rather obvious misogyny. (Sound familiar?) A particularly odious form is the claim that because Rodger killed more men than women (his 3 roommates and a random person on the street) or any men at all, this couldn't have been motivated by misogyny. In addition to playing "no true misogynist," this also conveniently ignores a pile of evidence — the contents of his videos and his manifesto and his unsuccessful attempt to enter a sorority house, which he followed immediately by shooting three women outside (only one survived). If this had been successful, the body count would be very different.

[edit] See also

[edit] External links

[edit] Footnotes

  1. 1.0 1.1 A Look Inside the 'Men's Rights' Movement That Helped Fuel California Alleged Killer Elliot Rodger, The American Prospect
  2. "Entering a new era"
  3. http://goodmenproject.com/
  4. http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/03/10/the-good-mangina-project/
  5. Julianne Ross, "The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women", Mic.
  6. "New Men’s Rights conspiracy theory replaces the Illuminati with Teen Vogue", We Hunted the Mammoth.
  7. Men Going Their Own Way, "Marxism abolishes Absolute Truth. In a Marxist society everything is a Relative Truth. One thing you will hear many people who lived in Communist regimes claim they found to be the worst aspect of it all, were the lies! Everything becomes a lie, and there is no more truth.". (Erm..)
  8. Paul Elam, "A Voice for Men Has a New Face and Feminism is a Communist Plot", AVFM. (Usually they aren't as up-front as Paulie, here.)
  9. Stefan Molyneux, "Feminism is SOCIALISM IN PANTIES".
  10. "Men ruined and destroyed by feminist legal system, driven to self immolation and murder"
  11. A weird thing to be happy about.
  12. Fail here
  13. More fail
  14. See the Wikipedia article on Timeline of women's suffrage.
  15. Messner (June 1998). "The Limits of “The Male Sex Role”: An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movements' Discourse" in Gender & Society vol. 12, 3: pp. 255–276.
  16. Arsehole
  17. [1]
  18. https://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/you-literally-wont-believe-these-mind-blowing-simple-statistics-and-how-wrong-people-are-about-them/
  19. One Norwegian MRA group's report on the issue
  20. "MenWeb"
  21. See the Wikipedia article on Circumcision and law.
  22. National Coalition for Men
  23. National Center for Policy Analysis, which has a very delightful history[wp].
  24. How not to read Department of Labor statistics
  25. Seriously.
  26. Global Gender Gap Report, World Economic Forum
  27. OECD Factbook 2013: Economic, Environmental and Social Statistics
  28. Equal Pay Act
  29. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/
  30. The Gender Wage Gap, Around the World, The New York Times
  31. Women's Earnings and Income, Catalyst
  32. Wage gap and lawyers
  33. Selective Service System
  34. Women in the military — international, CBC
  35. http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/25/world/south-africa-ends-conscription-of-whites.html
  36. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/14/us/pentagon-plan-would-let-transgender-people-serve-openly.html?referer=&_r=0
  37. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pentagon-to-allow-transgender-members-to-serve-openly/2015/07/13/fe9b054a-298d-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html
  38. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/feminist-lie-3468-obamacare/
  39. This US Govt study suggests some of that cost is the result of domestic violence. Heh.
  40. One of the most expensive procedures in the US is childbirth, costing an average of $10,000. There are a number of reasons for this, the biggest being defensive medicine and malpractice insurance (blame Senator John "C-section" Edwards, see this), but the end result is if a woman is expected to have 3 kids and cost an extra $30,000, over her lifetime she will have to pay the insurance company an extra $30,000. Perhaps unironically, this is one of many reasons for the pay gap between men and women; if the company offers health insurance, they have to "pay" women more. Around age 42, men start costing more to insure than women.
  41. If you want to check the statistics for every (206) sovereign state, here you go.
  42. US life expectancy best ever, says CDC, WebMD
  43. http://www.womenshealth.gov/mens-health/top-health-concerns-for-men/suicide.html
  44. As seen here
  45. Pregnancy costs on average $10,000. Yes that's right; this is less because of greedy healthcare providers (though that's part of it) and more because Americans are less likely to abort in cases where the fetus has issues (premature babies can cost more than liver transplants, and Thor help you if you have congenitally conjoined twins). Then there's the issue with drug addiction, which gets paid for by everyone else. Add on the malpractice insurance, where due to the way the legal system works an OBGYN costs anywhere from $80,000 to over $300,000 per year to insure, and that's one that doesn't have a bad history!
  46. Health insurance, automotive insurance, and life Insurance
  47. Women-Owned Small Businesses, Small Business Administration
  48. Fortune 500 Women Executive Officers and Top Earners, Catalyst
  49. Women Leaders in Business
  50. Titanic Casualty Figures
  51. Costa Concordia: The rules of evacuating a ship, BBC
  52. Every man for himself: Gender, Norms and Survival in Maritime Disasters, Uppsala University
  53. Unless you're a total sociopath, this is something that MRAs and feminists can both agree upon.
  54. More Fathers Are Getting Custody in Divorce, The New York Times
  55. [http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/djglp19&div=5&id=&page= Alimony: What Social Science and Popular Culture Tells Us about Women, Guilt, and Spousal Support after Divorce; McMullen, Judith G. ]
  56. Homogenous Rules for Heterogeneous Families:The Standardization of Family Law When There is No Standard Family Katherine K. Baker, Pages 20-25
  57. How do County Courts share care of children between parents? and the full study
  58. Women and the Death Penalty
  59. Won't anyone please think of the men for once?
  60. Talking Back to Restraining Orders (7 September 2014), Big Money v. No Money: VAWA and the Men’s Rights Movement
  61. Men as Victims of Domestic Violence, University of New South Wales
  62. The invisible domestic violence – against men, The Guardian
  63. http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/
  64. http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/how-conor-oberst-became-mra-icon/
  65. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html
  66. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/21/rolling-stone-university-of-virginia-rape-story-sp/?page=all#pagebreak
  67. Men's Rights Activists Do Not Prove Their Point, Slate
  68. When Men Are Raped, Slate
  69. See here and here.
  70. YouTube: GTA IV Radio WKTT: Judge Grady - Just or Unjust #1
  71. For those who don't know what "salve" means...
  72. Michael Messner, Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements (1997), Sage Publications
  73. "Patriarchy Works!"
  74. Sex bots and artificial wombs!
  75. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1u6grf/i_am_a_former_beta_gay_man_who_is_now_an_alpha/
  76. 76.0 76.1 76.2 5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement
  77. A male rape victim's account
  78. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths
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