Fun talk:Obama-Schlafly comparison

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One could leave the "stinking turds" from the "template" code and the left side wouldn't suffer all that muchly. CЯacke® 16:37, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh? Oh, you mean even stinking turds would out do teh assfly's life story? ħumanUser talk:Human 17:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Can we get birth dates in the first section, and more "year periods" for some of the other items in later sections? ħumanUser talk:Human 17:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh man, the Awards section had me rolling. Smyth 17:59, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I love the way it starts out kinda serious, showing the differences in achievement, and then as it goes on it rips into hard-core (but justified) snark. I liked the 1426 points in contest four joke, too, esp. since he's left that on his talk page for half a year. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:59, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
To be honest, the 'votes for President' vs. 'points in his own contest' was what inspired me to get going on this. He's had that figure on his talk page since January. It's sad. It's downright embarrassing. I actually wanted to get the specific number of votes Obama got, so I'd hace specific numbers for comparison, but it wasn't that easy to find. I look forward to after he's elected, so I can use those numbers (actually, they'll work even if he loses). DickTurpis 21:22, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Interesting that they both worked on Harvard Law Review at the same time. Has Andy ever mentioned if he knew or had any contact with Obama? weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 18:54, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I think he did say somewhere that Obama was [the opposite of what everyone else who ever met him ever said]. Andy was in an interesting position - cream of the crop in ways - Harvard Law MCL, Law Reveiw, etc. - but there is always (for most of us) someone who is excelling even more. And for Andy at that innocent young age, Obama was one of those out-excellers. The real inspiration for this article (the idea has been around, but today DT actually suggested writing it) was the juxtaposition of the Harvard thing with "where they are today - drooling blogger who hangs out with children without a license, vs. nominee for President of the US (and Senator already). ħumanUser talk:Human 18:59, 7 October 2008 (EDT)


Hm. I didn't know Obama was a "II" (e.g. Barack Hussein Obama II). I'm glad he's downplayed any use of it; it would be a lot harder to repel the "elitist" label if he used it (though if he was a white Southerner he could probably get away with it). Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:17, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't think we should be using either Jr. or II. I don't think he does (which makes sense - since he never met his father there was never any need for differentiation, etc.). Can we find out what is the proper form here? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:07, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Snarky thoughts[edit]

suggested categories:

  • Silver-spoon start in life (or not)
  • Impact of mother on upbringing (Obama inspired, Andy intimidated)
  • College achievement (one edits Harvard Law Review, the other reads it)
  • Legal Career Accomplishments
  • Teaching Career (Obama Adjunct Professor at U. of C., Andy teaches homeschoolers about the "Viking Myth" in a church basement)
  • Siblings you don't hear much about (Obama's half-brother, "confirmed bachelor" John)
  • Community Organizer - Obama establishes community roots and recruits voters , Andy establishes a right-wing Wiki and recruits acolytes
  • Key Phrases ("Change/Audacity of Hope", "Liberal Deceit/You're clueless")
  • Challenging Conventional Wisdom (Defied statistical probability & beat Hillary, denied statistical reality & pwned by Lenski)
  • Approach to Breast Cancer (Works with Hollywood to raise money to fight breast cancer, believes Hollywood causes breast cancer)

--SpinyNorman 18:09, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

We can add some of those things. I sort of like the current balance between snark and seriousness it has now, and don't really want to see it tilt too far in either direction. I kind of like the way the headings and Obama's half strike a tone of seriousness and legitimacy, and only Andy's portion is sad and silly. DickTurpis 18:12, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
I would like more in early life. For what ever strange reason these twos paths crossed on their way to reach a dream they both had. I like juxtaposition of the two in that Andy had a head start and was overtaken by Obama, so he kind of gave up running. - User For best results use daily 18:32, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
What about Andy's work for ATT? Didn't someone say he'd got the boot for costing them a lot of money? See Andy Schlafly for details. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 18:35, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
I think after "early life" there should be "family", even though some would be bland (wife, two kids...), allowing for brotherly snark (although, what do their brothers have to do with who they are?). The ATT thing needs to be in there, especially if we can figure out the timeline. Ideally, the section will mostly follow a timeline, so one can see where each man was at each stage of life. But that might break the "cateogory" headers like political career? ħumanUser talk:Human 18:51, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I never quite got the deal with the AT&T thing. Is Schlalfy essentially unemployable as a lawyer now, and is that why he's "working" as counsel to quacks part time, as well as doing appallingly badly at teaching kids history? --JeevesMkII 19:58, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia Gala?[edit]

Is this something that actually happened? CorryThose are balls. 23:30, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

They have these from time to time. Nothing is ever announced on CP so we don't show up. The same deal with Andy's university talks. - User For best results use daily 23:41, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, everything on this table is true, though perhaps not presented in the most neutral manner. DickTurpis 23:47, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, I believe you. It's just that that sounds about as fun as losing your wallet. CorryThose are balls. 23:50, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
That happened to me this weekend. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:32, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Safari & top section[edit]

"(We are having a problem with people viewing it in safari.)" so we went back to the table. But at least you left the "header" out of the middle, cool. I just don't like hitting edit and there being random "partial table" tags floating around. Anyway, my apologies to any safarians out there who may have suffered in the interim! ħumanUser talk:Human 23:45, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I think the pictures got stuck over the top of the tables. Safari has some weird problems I don't think the img tag work in html properly. - User For best results use daily 23:49, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
Speaking of pictures, is the one on the right Andy's sex face or would that be flying a bit too much in the face of the article's truthiness? You could weave it into the side-by-side "Obama prepares to talk to his audience" "Andy prepares for some all night lovin' to his class" ArmondikoVpathetic 07:26, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Career stuff[edit]

Please recall that ASchlafly worked as a lawyer for AT&T helping it to LOSE MONEY and practising deceits and stuff. CЯacke® 11:28, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

I mentioned that above. Also what about his poor sportsmanship during the contests when his side lost and he kept challenging the opposing team's score.? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 07:39, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

For Your Consideration[edit]

Below is a CP-friendly version of this article which, if so desired, one can cut and paste into a relevant CP article. I'm not sure if Andy has seen it yet, so it could be nice to put it in a place where he can't miss it. Note: the Obama picture will be a different one on CP, a standard headshot, and the Andy picture will be his standard, oft parodied one.

Can we delete or archive this section, I don't see the point? Or did I miss something? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:55, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Not that I condone vandalism or anything....

Copy text below[edit]

Senator Obama
A comparison between the accomplishments of Barack Obama and Andrew Schlafly

While superficially there appear to be no two people more different than Barack Obama and Andrew Schlafly, they have led strangely parallel lives. They both attended Harvard Law School at the same time, and both graduated with honours. They both had aspirations for an academic career lecturing on law, before turning their respective attentions to a run for elected office. But somehow now, in October 2008, one is running for President of the United States, while the other is in a church basement teaching homeschooled students that Vikings having a settlement in North America is a myth created by liberals to denigrate Christians.

Barack Hussein Obama II

Andrew Layton Schlafly

Early Life[edit]

  • Father: Barack Hussein Obama
Immigrant from Kenya
  • Father: John Fred Schlafly
Came from a well-to-do St. Louis family.
John Schlafly's father August Schlafly married Catharine Hubert whose father was a wealthy businessman, the source of the family's wealth
  • Mother: Ann Dunham
  • Mother: Phyllis Schlafly (née Phyllis McAlpin Stewart), conservative writer and activist

Academic Record[edit]

  • B.A., Columbia University, 1983
  • J.D., Harvard, 1991, magna cum laude
  • Lecturer of Law, University of Chicago, 1992-1996
  • Senior Lecturer of Law, University of Chicago, 1996-2004
  • BSE (Electrical Engineering), Princeton, 1981
  • J.D., Harvard, 1991, magna cum laude
  • Adjunct Professor, Seton Hall Law School, 2 semesters
  • President of Harvard Law Review[1], Editor in Chief
  • Editor of Harvard Law Review[2]

Work Career[edit]

  • Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland
A twelve-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development
Associate 1993 to 1996
Counsel 1996 to 2004
The AAPS is listed as a quack organization
  • Head of community organization initiative encompassing 8 parishes, 13 staff, and a budget of $400,000
  • Teacher of a couple dozen underachieving homeschoolers with the spurious claim of being "the world's largest pre-college class on American History"[3]

Political Career[edit]

  • Illinois State Senator (1997-2004)
  • United States Senator (D-IL) (2005-present)
  • Democratic Party nominee for President of the United States (2008)
  • Garnered 11% of the vote (5th place) in Congressional district primary (1992)[4]

Written work[edit]

  • Author of three well-received books which have appeared on the New York Times bestseller list:
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. Three Rivers Press. 1995.[5]
The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream. Crown Publishing Group. 2006.
Barack Obama in His Own Words. Public Affairs. 2007.
  • Contributor and head administrator of an online far-right ultraconservative fundamentalist Christian blog masquerading as an encyclopedia.


  • Two Grammy Awards for Best Spoken Word Album
  • First runner-up in The Other Site's "Biggest Idiot at Conservapedia" Contest


  • Received millions of votes in the 2008 Presidential Primary
  • 200,000 people came to see him on a visit to Berlin
  • Crain's Chicago Business named Obama on its "40 under Forty" powers to be in 1993.
  • Received 1426 Points in Contest 4![6]
  • Several of his students and their parents came to see him talk at the first Conservapedia Gala
  • PZ Myers named Schlafly a "blinkered pudyanker"[7]
  1. A full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the Law Review's staff of eighty editors.
  2. Yes that is right, Obama was Andy's supervisor!
  3. Without any evidence besides the fact that he couldn't imagine a larger one, Schlafly called his American History course "The world's largest pre-college class on American History", claiming it had 48 students. While this is certainly a large class, it is by no means unprecedented in public schools or elsewhere. Furthermore, by the time the class was actually underway, it appeared to be down to 24 students, decidedly average. As smaller class sizes are generally deemed preferable to larger ones, this small size may seem like an actual advantage to the students. Schlafly does not agree
  4. [1]
  5. He started writing this book at Harvard, and it eventually grew into an autobiography.
  6. [2]
  7. [3]

'Scuse me, but[edit]

what's a blinkered pudyanker? --JJ4eI love you 18:31, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Blinkered: cannot see, does not know, are you one of them? Pud: That thing between your hips. Yanker: One who pulls on it to point it distracts from the real world. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:51, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Andy at HLV[edit]

What was Andy's job at the Harvard Law Review? He just got the donuts, didn't he? MTerm 21:13, 18 November 2008 (EST)

I think it involved kneepads, since they were considerate of the help. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:22, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Trent and I are looking into this. Trent's doing most of the work, though; I'm just supplying law library support :). On that note, all that the online versions of HLR only list the editors without their titles - even Obama, HLR President, is just listed as his name in the issues he presided over. I'm going to double-check this with the hard-copies tomorrow.-caius (historian) 21:30, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Can't you just imagine Andy, after yapping pointlessly and incessantly in an editors' meeting, getting chastised by Obama, "Start making some quality edits. You're not fooling any of us here with your talk, talk, talk. Make some contributions to the Review or leave." — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

That is such an attractive thought, I wish it was true. - User 01:24, 2 December 2008 (EST)
That the best CP-centric edit to RationalWiki evah. My vote, anyway. And from a bunchofnumbers, yet! BoN for supreme ruler of RW! ħumanUser talk:Human 03:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Article title[edit]

I don't know why this bothers me so, but the title of this article seems to be fragmented. I mean we get it, but it just seems that the Andy part is too implied. It really seems as though the title should mention both of them. Perhaps Barack Obama/Andrew Schlafly, a comparison. I'd also rather see it in mainspace rather than the Conservapedia space. It doesn't seem to have much to do with Conservapedia except in broad strokes. --Edgerunner76Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 08:00, 26 February 2009 (EST)

How about Comparing Barack Obama and Andrew Schlafly? I don't like strokes in titles, unless they're actually subpages. Totnesmartin 08:10, 26 February 2009 (EST)
Oh yeah. I hadn't even thought about the problems with a stroke. I don't particularly care what the title becomes as long as it addresses my main concerns and people generally agree that it's a good idea. --Edgerunner76Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 08:14, 26 February 2009 (EST)
How about "Andrew Schlafly compared to Barack Obama"? Or "Andrew Schlafly versus BO"? Or "Andrew Schlafly, underachiever"? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:59, 26 February 2009 (EST)

I would have thought that this would have gotten more input. I guessed wrong. --Edgerunner76Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 09:54, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Reviving this: I think some mention of Mr. Schlafly is definitely in order for the title; "Barack Obama comparison" does not say anything regarding to whom Obama is being compared. I vote "Conservapedia:Obama vs. Schlafly Obama-Schlafly Comparison." Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 19:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
What about "Conservapedia: Obama-Schlafly Comparison"? I think that combines the best of the above suggestions. "Obama vs. Schlafly" makes it sound like a duel, which would be hilarious but is not really what the article is about. Tetronian you're clueless 20:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Father and Mother[edit]

Ghy213 recently did a few decent edits, but I'm concerned at the length of the bits on Obama's mother and father now. Mostly the information isn't relevant to the article's aim. Although I agree some expansion of those bits could be done, this much is a bit too much. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 19:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, OOman just nuked the lot of them. Scarlet A.pngd hominem 21:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I rolled it/them back, accidentally taking out a few refs or something that he added. The BHO sr. stuff was copied with typos intact from the source he listed. The BHO's mother stuff was full of typos too... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


Please remove the term "underachieving" from the section on Schlafly teaching homeschooled students. The purpose of this article is to attack Schlafly (which is cool), not lump all homeschooled children in the "conservative idiots" pool. As a liberal who homeschools her two sons due to ADHD issues, I get really tired of this reaction. Thanks. SharonW

Going the right way for a ban, there... Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 20:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you don't know what an "underachiever" is. It's someone far more capable than what they are doing or being asked to do, in this case. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone ever asked[edit]

Has anyone ever dirtectly asked Andy whether or not he knew Obama personally? I have never seen it brought up but I'd like to know. AceMcWicked 20:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone posted an image of them in the same photograph recently, so I'd imagine they were acquainted at the very least. --EcheNegraMente How strange it is to be anything at all 20:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I seem to remember it on the Obama talk page, but it was quickly disappeared (as was the asker). Aboriginal Noise Oh, you want to hit people with garbage cans? 20:56, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
That's probably why Andy hates Obama so intensely, since they started from the same point but Obama succeeded where Andy failed miserably. I'm surprised that Andy hasn't used his personal experience to prove that Obama is a Muslim - he's "revised" history and statistics to prove it, why not his own memory? Tetronian you're clueless 21:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
They were both on the Harvard Law Review, a group of what, 50-60 people working to produce a journal? Hard to imagine that they haven't at least shaken hands. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
That's what I fond so strange. If Obama were such a terrible muslim marxist then Andy shouldhave loads of anecdotes about him and rumours from others he worked with as they were in the same academic circle. The fact it is ever mentioned, by Andy or anyone, is because Andy knows what he spouts is bullshit. AceMcWicked 21:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Or he might be afraid that someone else (who was also in that group working on the Harvard Law Review) will call him out on it. Tetronian you're clueless 22:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Psy has been talking about this on his blog for a while. Some journalist at the Boston Globe is trying to find out if they ran against each other for the editor-in-chief since he found out who Andy is and what he has been saying about Obama. - π 22:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Imagine how pissed Andy must be. For him, I bet "only" calling Obama a Muslim/fascist/commie is holding back. Tetronian you're clueless 22:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The photo is here & appears on our satirical Andrew Schlafly article. Could maybe be added to the serious one too? There's also a scan of the Harvard Law Review from that time around somewhere, which showed Andy's name among the editorial team as well as Obama's. People asked Andy about it at CP when all this stuff came up a year ago, & they were either silenced or ignored. WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 22:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Another photo here, & the HLR scan is here (see right-hand column). WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 22:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone finally manages to goad Andrew into being a bitch[edit]

Not sure it belongs in the article, but did Andy just call our President a "lazy nigger"? ħumanUser talk:Human 05:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I noticed that as well and have been pondering updating the WIGO to add that as a secondary observation. Andy must have a point here. Affirmative action is the only explanation for a white Christian Republican sociopath being consistently outperformed by a talented black guy from a modest background. Surely it's only a matter of time before Andy adds an "Uppity negro" category to CP. --ConcernedresidentAsk me about your mother 11:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Clinton campaign stole our idea.[edit]

Well sort of any way - π 13:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)