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Possibly awkward subtitle or organization[edit]

The first subtitle "What communism 'actually is,'" is somewhat a misnomer, and the information under it at best could be described as "attempts at communism." For example, Stalin or Stalinism is ideologically very far from the original Communist mindset (i.e. a big spinoff.) Without changing that subtitle, a lot of the information could be moved under "Communism in practice."

I fully agree: there is a common misunderstanding. For example USSR had never been and had never named itself as state of communism (there is no "C" in its name). It were state of socialism, which where building communism (but failed) under the lead of Communist Party. So it was communist's state, but not communism. And Staling himself mentioned many times that communism where far, far away to future (generations) for him. And by his written opinion all what he was doing - building economical, social and cultural base for it. So when talking about wat communism 'actually is,' one should tell about theoretical descriptions of society where means of production (not personal property) are owned by community. Or change the title.

John Lennon a Marxist?[edit]

Maybe to assclowns like Nate Shapiro, but it doesn't withstand even a cursory review of his ideas. "Revolution" was a polemic against the Maoist fad in Britain in 1968 and "Imagine" was seen as utopian nonsense by radicals.

Renaming the page to Marxism-Leninism and create a brand new page that does not ignore non-marxist communists[edit]

Title of the topic. The page is far too focused on Marxism-Leninism and effectively ignores all the libertarian and anarchist developments of communism.

If anyone wants to work with me on this message me here (or preferably on discord). Codefuser (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

We mostly cover those ideologies under anarchism, left libertarianism(or as they call it, "actual" libertarianism), specifically without the "no government at all" aspect, has been pretty poorly spelled out in broader discourse, and I can't think of a political philosopher who pitches it, and what form it would take. And, though this is sort of lazy, it's easier to cover national governing practices that have actually existed in the past than purely hypothetical future ones. Because there's a lot of those. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Kropotkin, Chomsky, Dejacque, etc etc. Would it not still be better to include such as to be more reflective of communism as a whole rather than just what most would recognize as simply state capitalism rather than communism? Codefuser (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

This page is incredibly biased against communism[edit]

I changed the language to make it less biased and my edits keep getting reversed — Unsigned, by: Simoneh / talk / contribs

We're also biased against Nazis, Libertarians, Capitalism, and Religion. What's your point? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Probably for less bias. :D — Dysk (contribs) 02:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah and making the comparison to Nazism is silly because Nazism is a hateful ideology that calls for the death of minorities. — Unsigned, by: Simoneh / talk / contribs
Well some extreme forms of Communism are a bit like that (eg. Nazbols), and making wide generalizations isn't very rational. Certainly there is room for improvement. — Dysk (contribs) 18:48, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
The single best thing you can do for biased articles, that people coming to this wiki with that complaint usually don't, is be specific about ways bias could be reduced while adhering to rationalwiki's mission. We're not gonna conveniently forget that Stalin was both hyper-authoritarian and a really important communist, but if there's an important omission or misrepresentation in the article, we'd love to fix it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay well lets start with this passage from the lead section;
Western Communist parties after the fall of the Soviet Union are basically historical reenactment societies that lack the self-awareness to realize it.
—Someone
Now what is this supposed to mean? Why the distinction of Western parties? Which parties? What piece of history is being re-enacted? If this is a reference to tankies then sure, but it doesn't say that. — Dysk (contribs) 10:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
It's someone's "clever" insight. It's meaningless. Toss as you wish. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Factual Inaccuracy[edit]

The quote at the top of this page is incorrectly attributed to Karl Marx. As stated in another article, the quote actually came from Louis Blanc. I can't edit this page to change this, though. Baphód (talk) 13:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

ye EK (talk) 14:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
ye ℕoir LeSable (talk) 14:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

User comment[edit]

This page is incredibly inaccurate and obviously opinionated. Communism =/= totalitarianism. To get rid of fascism, you have to use fascist methods. Just as you do with political opposition. I mean yeah, communist regimes may have been excessive when it came to political repression.

Something that I learned from attempting to debate against anticommunism is that playing the numbers game is STUPID. "100 million" died from Communism, when you can easily say 1.6 billion died from Capitalism, through imperialistic or directly capitalist means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmYSNDr84M4 Also the numbers "100 million" is statistical manipulation.

The video may be flawed in that it doesn't take all the deaths attributed to Capitalism, and some of the numbers are exaggerated. However I can tell you that the death toll from Capitalism is higher than 100 million. — Unsigned, by: OGAS is bae, OGAS is god / talk / contribs

Which specific statements in the article do you disagree with? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)