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Southern is now an unironic "pan-Western nationalist"[edit]

https://twitter.com/Rasmp42/status/948324514928189440

Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 03:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The SPLC & Hope not Hate no longer have to do anything since 99.9% of 'nationalists' are so crazy, stupid and weird like Southern.Dr. Witt (talk) 08:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Banned from the UK[edit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lauren-southern-far-right-canada-racist-calais-detain-uk-ban-enter-visa-a8254116.html

Even the people who had that dumb Brexit campaign don't want her ass around anymore. James Earl Cash (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

For saying “Allah is a gay God”. That is unbearably retarded. Iamapartofman (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@Iamapartofman Is that more retarded than gay muslims posing with "Allah is Gay" signs, like these ones? — Unsigned, by: I don't even care who posted this really, all that matters is it's unsigned. / talk / contribs
Welp, this is the most pointless fucking "see talk" I've seen in my goddamn life. Zero content. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 05:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
No. See the section "Leaflets". - Tneduts (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Leaflets[edit]

"distributing leaflets inciting religious hatred against Muslims". This is not true. The leaflets stated that 'Allah is a gay god, Allah is a trans god....Allah is for everyone'. How is this inciting hatred against Muslims? — Unsigned, by: Betterdeadthanred / talk / contribs 

Well, I posted this and got no argument so corrected the page to say "leaflets that offended some Muslims" which unlike the previous text is factually correct. My edit has been undone several times and I am now blocked from correcting a basic untruth. Would those who have undone my correction provide an explanation. I am aware that RationalWiki does not pretend to be impartial but surely it is not meant to be wilfully dishonest. — Unsigned, by: Betterdeadthanred / talk / contribs

On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you. —Kazitor, pending 10:44, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

We’re not even able to edit the page. They seem really insistent on framing it as bigotry when it was a joke. Just goes to show how much progressives love slapping the labels ‘bigot’ and ‘Islamophobe’ on people without thinking it through. Iamapartofman (talk) 11:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Given her history, I am inclined to think the act was facetious. You're also conveniently leaving out the part where she deliberately tried to prevent migrants and refugees from entering the nation and even tried to sink their boats. But you keep up with that victim complex. James Earl Cash (talk) 01:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

It's absolutely false and inappropriate to say the leaflets "incited hatred" because they say Allah is gay and trans. Of course they were provocative, but she did it in response to portrayals of Jesus as a gay man in previous protests. If we agree that what she did is religious hatred because Muslims loathe homosexuality, we shall agree that the previous acts were also religious hatred because Christians loathe homosexuality. Until no one else opines, I'll be reverting lines calling the act "religious hatred" or similar and keeping the facts only. - Tneduts (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

You know, considering "created in His image, male and female He created them", God might be pretty at home in the LGBT crowd. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 02:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
The actual reason for discharge was "by your own admitting you were involved in the distribution of racist material". Well, that's the end of that. Leave it alone. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Worth noting[edit]

That her material was cited by a anti-muslim mass murderer as motivation for his crimes. Kinda makes the "Inciting racial hatred" point pretty well established. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:53, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Only because people bandied about it in the first place. Your logic would make every Internet atheist who spreads funny memes about the Christian/Jewish God guilty of inciting hatred if any fundagelical ever went off the rails and cited "Internet memes" as a reason. It's a ridiculous standard. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:1D8:7F7C:A69D:476A (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Any atheist who promoted a conspiracy theory about being invaded and attacked by immigrants would also deserve it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 00:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
See, now that's a much better argument for why she deserves condemnation than her handing out silly fliers saying Allah is LGBT. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:1D8:7F7C:A69D:476A (talk) 06:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

South Africa documentary[edit]

Lauren Southern made a documentary about the ongoing murder and torture of white South Africans. Should we mention this? I don't think it would be on mission. She seems genuinely concerned about what's happening there, but she's an extreme far-right white supremacist so it's better if we hide this and only put in negative material about how she hates muslims. Also white South Africans are Christians and that's our main enemy. Tie Dye Ninja (talk) 23:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

See this : https://youtu.be/jlL_hDsPC_w?t=32m21s GGCAP (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, same with Borderless — Unsigned, by: 201.235.178.44 / talk / contribs
The "South African White Genocide" conspiracy theory is a common one used by white nationalists to lend legitimacy to their pretty much entirely bullshit concept of white genocide. The purpose in exploiting the idea of white South African murders is in an attempt to lend their bigoted idea about the persecution of whites, and the incompatibility of whites and blacks sharing a nation credibility. It's also in part an attempt to downplay the injustice of apartheid. It's all bullshit. " 'Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,' Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1,378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population)." - Africa check source: https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/
...also relevant and from a link published more recently from PolitiFact.
"The statistics on this are nebulous. Our partner Africa Check concluded in May that there were significant roadblocks to identifying the rate of farm murders.
To calculate a rate, one would need the number of murders, and divide that by the total number of farmers. However, the murder rate could include anyone visiting or ::working on a farm, not just farm owners. Additionally, there are no accurate estimates of farms or farmers in the country.
Africa Check determined that it is "near impossible" to determine an accurate murder rate for farmers. Calculated based solely on a 2007 commercial agriculture census, the rate is about 100 per 100,000 farmers. But when all farm-related personnel are accounted for, rather than just full-time commercial farmers, the rate is much lower: only 5.6 murders per 100,000 farmers. If you count every person involved in agriculture, even those who don’t live on farms, the rate would drop even further, to 0.4 murders per 100,000." source: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/aug/24/donald-trump/trump-tweets-incorrect-south-african-land-seizures/
If there is any reason to feature this documentary it would be to reveal how there is absolutely no evidence to back it up. --Only Sort of Dumb 12:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Alt-right label[edit]

From the opening paragraph:

Media and the SPLC have described her as alt-right, but her rejection of neo-Nazism for a not-so moderate (albeit still xenophobic) cultural nationalism makes her alt-liteWikipedia, similar to Paul Joseph Watson.

This is wishy-washy bullshit. This person clearly identifies with the alt-right and all her viewpoints described later in the article back this up. Later on, the article quotes her:

And because of this most of the alt-right do not refer to me as alt-right. […] Many people on [the] alt-right would find the description of me [as alt-right to be] inaccurate and laughable"

How poignant. Her egregious racist and bigoted viewpoints clearly dump her into the alt-right cesspool, despite her flimsy denial over semantics. Cosmikdebris (talk) 04:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)