Talk:Stopped clock

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Example contradicts explanation

"Also, since people change minds all the time, moments of assholes that later take responsibility and apologize are not stopped-clock moments."

"Fidel Castro ... also voiced regret for his government's persecution of homosexuals, taking personal responsibility and calling it a "great injustice"."

Thus this isn't an example of a stopped-clock moment; removed. 203.109.153.141 (talk) 21:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Funny? Maybe.

The concept is presented as if it were significant as a point of social or biographical study. It was invented as a joke. It still is no better than a joke; one that is used for those this wiki thinks should be ragged on. Ariel31459 (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Ben Shapiro and "white ideals".

So, I'm going to point out a few things. One, selective editing exists, so even if nothing is cut out of the clip itself, content can be cut that precedes or succeeds the clip, which can change the context. Two, Shapiro is pretty clearly just spouting PR flak and feigning ignorance. Three, the source (yet another reactionary media outlet) has every reason to make Shapiro look as good as possible, and utilize the techniques I listed in my first point. Thus are my reasons for removal. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 15:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Not being a white identitarian hardly qualifies as a stopped clock, might as well add every crank who doesn’t think the earth is flat to the page. It’s even less surprising for a Jew.

We got rid of the examples on inverse stopped clock, we should probably get rid of these ones as well. Christopher (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Also fair points. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

(EC) Came here to say what Christopher just said. GeeJayK (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

So, do we all agree that it should be pruned out? GeeJayK (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I repeatedly stated that I dislike listicles. Lists should be as concise as possible, and serve to illustrate the point of the surrounding text. They are not on their own a substitute for writing. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree. We got rid of the list on the Inverse Stopped Clock article, so we should get rid of this one. It has the same problems and lack of added value to the article. JoeSmoe2828 (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

That’s enough for me, the list is gone. Christopher (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Stopped Clock Fallacy

@IdiosyncraticLawyer you don't see how invoking a "stopped clock moment" in a debate would be an effective strategy for not giving credit to an opponent on a point with which you agree? ^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:cc:0:4a20:38a5:29d9:960e:a380 / talk / contribs}

For fuck's sake, please, this is not difficult! Sign your posts with (~~~~) or (if that's too fucking hard) by clicking on the fucking sign BUTTON: on the toolbar above the edit panel. (You can indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line.) This keeps the place tidy and stops you looking like a complete arsing tool so please, just fucking do it already. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 20:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Moving the article proposal

I propose moving the page Stopped clock to Stopped clock moment or Stopped clock fallacy (this is a redirect now).

May I have some feedback? Erik10012 (talk) 04:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

what for? AMassiveGay (talk) 08:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. It is because the article is about stopped clock moments and not stopped clocks. So it is a better fit. Erik10012 (talk) 08:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

On RW 'Stopped (or Broken) Clock' is used more often without 'moment' than with 'moment'. A search for 'Stopped clock(s)' gives 527 results, in 185 of these results 'Stopped clock' is followed by the word 'moment(s)'. 'Stopped clock' is used stand-alone and is also combined with: situation, phenomenon, syndrome, fashion, principle, theory, mode, case, idea, fallacy, effect, award, rule.

Creating a #REDIRECT page stopped clock moment is not really useful because typing "stopped clo..." in the search bar already leads to the correct page. blobcat (°U°) 09:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I am proposing having "stopped clock" be the new title and have a redirect from "stopped clock" to the article which is renamed "stopped clock moment". If there is a redirect, there would be no problem. I am proposing this because the article is about stopped clock moments and not stopped clocks. It is conventional that the title of an article reflect the content of the page. Erik10012 (talk) 09:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

i dont think anyone finding this article will at all be confused or diasappointed to find that it is not about actual clocks that have stopped. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a matter of good, better and best. While the title "stopped clock" is adequate, it is not the best title for the article because the article is about stopped clock moments and not stopped clocks. As Aristotle said, "Excellence is not an act, but a habit". RationalWiki shouldn't purposefully have suboptimal titles of articles. Erik10012 (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see how this is a suboptimal title. As Blobcat pointed out above, "stopped clock" gives more search results than "stopped clock moment", IOW it's more relevant a title to the wiki's content. Vee (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

OK. Erik10012 (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)