Let's talk Turkey!

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Islamism

Dunno much about it (shame!), but didn't Turkey go non-established under Ataturk - no veils in Uni -etc. & aren't they now blesséd with a muslim governing party who might erode the seperation of church/state. Susan^Miouw 21:47, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I think that's pretty much correct. They went secular; but there are fears they might slip. Much as the U.S. is poised to leave "old earth" in favor of being a country located on "young earth". human 22:08, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Not going to happen. If AKP were to so much think of breaking down the separation beyond the purely symbolic, such as wearing veils and such, the military would kick them out immediately. Not that I think they want to do that; there's not much difference between AKP and most of e.g. the European christian democratic parties. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 04:25, 8 February 2008 (EST)

You seriously believe that? Locke 11:01, 8 February 2008 (EST)

I do indeed. I take it you don't? --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 11:05, 8 February 2008 (EST)

I don't indeed. Locke 11:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Might one inquire why not? --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 11:26, 8 February 2008 (EST)

No, Anders. Or Arnold. Or Ahmad. Or Antipas. Whatever. Locke 11:41, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Oh. Ok, John, no problem. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 12:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)

You didn't correct me? That means one of those four is your name. Probably Ahmad. Locke 12:15, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Actually, none of those are correct, although one is very close. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 12:20, 8 February 2008 (EST)

I believe it's mentioned in the LA Times article. :) Genghis ^Marauding 13:05, 8 February 2008 (EST)

My friend David

has an organic turkey farm and invited me over yesterday for a "harvest." I had to decline, but next time I'll go and get so pictures to brighten up the article a bit. Perhaps use some of SusanG's new colours? Carptrash 22:22, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

One of my weirdest dreams....

A few nights ago, I had a very weird dream. Eleven poisonous kumquats which had a Mr. Yuk sticker put on them which would be their face led by a singing Amish pickle (or something like that) marched in from the northwest and took over Turkey. Then, a top hat the size of the Empire State Building came in and ate all the kumquats. The pickle was eaten by a scrawny cow (that resembled a coyote) which Richard Dawkins was riding. A bunch of people then danced and chanted around the top hat, waving spears around. Some bikers with hexagrams (not pentagrams) on their heads then rode off of a cliff while playing tubles (tuba + bugle). Noah then came up, fell down, threw up, and passed out. Dawkins poked Noah with a stick repeatedly. The planet Saturn came down, announced his real name was Bill, and entered a well-paying career as a psychologist. The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 15:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

No more blue Stilton for you. ADK^{...I'll erect your attorney!}

Where in the hell

Is the section about the oppression of minorities in Turkey. Or the Armenian Genocide and how it's illegal to even mention that there?--Arisboch (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, in its current state the article is pretty low on sections. Feel free to add a section about it. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

A Few Mistakes

1. Nationalist populists are not at their strongest because the opposition won many major cities in the local elections (and when they lost the margins were small) and the youth despises Erdoğan according to the polls (which are much more accurate in Turkey compared to their American counterparts). There will be more people (obviously from the youth) voting and the economic crisis is harming the government's popularity.

2.While I do know this website is not objective about Cyprus you have only referred to the Turks massacring Greeks part but not the greeks massacring turks part.

3. The worst incidents in the 1960s and 70s did not come from kurds but tankies, fascists that do not call themselves fascists and People who want to genocide the alevis.

4. PKK is resilient because of the incompetence of the politicians. Also you people are sounding like you are doing PKK apologia.

5. "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers." This poem was not written by Erdoğan. He only reads this poem during the 28 February "Postmodern Coup".

6.The Welfare Party dominated nothing until 1994 Local Elections.

7.Erdoğan's authoritarianism can be traced back to Gezi Park Protests where he used tear gas against a small group which resulted in mass protests countrywide.

(I mostly used shitty Wikipedia articles because finding other english sources is hard and I am too lazy to search for other sources.)

Sorry if I abused your eyes by misspelling stuff.

St. Pestage (talk) 12:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. The article could do with improvement. But a lot of what you raise is interpretations of the facts or arguable points, rather than factual errors. Nationalists are stronger in recent years because they've shaping public institutions to their will, even if they lose a few elections, in my opinion. Wikipedia which is apparently your source says the Ottoman empire existed 1299–1922 which is 623 years. --Annanoon (talk) 11:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me,(apparently my already terrible maths have stopped working) I have deleted that one now. But in my own defense, in that case my source was not wikipedia but my memory because I remembered the end of the Ottomans as 1923 with the declaration of the Turkish Republic. There is no (easy) way I could defend my ideas about the nationalists. But about the other things:

The Bloody Christmas in Cyprus did happen and many turks were killed. Certainly greeks were murdered as well and they should be mentioned too but the article is written like the massacres were one sided and only turks massacred greeks. This is not an issue of interpretation. Events with kurds in the 70's did happen but (most of the time) massacres and battles were between the extreme right and the extreme left. Again, not an issue of interpretation.

The part about PKK is an matter of interpretation and it is hard to defend so I will let it go for now. -I currently have no patience trying to convince people about an opinion and a controversial issue-

Erdoğan did not write that poem. End of story.

Welfare Party "dominating" depends on what the authors of the article thought while using the word dominating The Welfare Party did not dominate anything (except political discussion and every party dominates discussion in Turkey) until 1994.

And about the Gezi Park protests, while Erdoğan did show some signs of authoritarianism at the before that (to most people) he did not look like a guy who would use extreme police brutality. And that is what he did in 2013. St. Pestage (talk) 14:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Whitewashed Ottoman Empire

Bruh. The Ottoman Empire is so whitewashed here. It was oppressive towards non-Muslims. Ottomans destroyed and damaged churches, impaled non-Muslims, kidnapped children of non-Muslims, forced them to convert and conscripted them into their military, taxed the non-Muslims heavily. The empire was so oppressive that many Serbs had to migrate to the North (Habsburg Empire). Another case of Ottoman oppression is where some Ottoman officials beheaded people, which prompted many Serbs to revolt. There were two Serbian uprisings, in 1804 and 1815. There were Greek uprisings too. 🇷🇸 Serbian Arbiter (What would you have your arbiter do?) 08:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

This is about Turkey, not the Ottoman Empire, so the Ottoman coverage is more of an overview and not comprehensive. The devshirme blood tax, unequal religious taxation, massacres of minorities, and harem sex-slavery are all discussed in this article. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Try our pumpkin spice lasagna!} 15:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

In fact, a picture of an Ottoman massacre of Greeks in Constantinople during the War of Independence is literally what introduces readers to the "sick man of Europe section". I suggest you read more carefully before accusing me of whitewashing. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Try our pumpkin spice lasagna!} 15:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)