Talk:Vladimir Lenin

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Is it possible to change the title of the page to Vladimir Lenin instead? Joseph Stalin is a page with the subject's full name, and I think this should be the same.

JoeS 02:10, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Done. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 04:21, 3 January 2009 (EST)

I made a correction. Lenin was not denied his final request as punishmant, but rather because it interferred with Stalin's rise to power. Also, he did have a cult of personality, but in the same way the U.S.A. has a cult of personality for Washington or Lincoln, or Mexico with Benito Juárez or Miguel Hidalgo. Stalin was the one who made the cult of personality exponentially big. Also, the page does not adress exactly why he departed briefly from Marxism. The reason he did that was because he led Russia in the middle of a revolution and the civil war that ensued (with 21 armies invading the U.S.S.R.). Thank you. — Unsigned, by: 189.253.83.1 / talk / contribs

That was being a bit sarcastic. Your requests have been noted. ТyNo 23:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Trotsky[edit]

Lenin chose Lev Trotsky to succedor, were have you learned your history? 188.120.168.161 (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Merciless and Brutal[edit]

Oh no! He "mercilessly execut[ed]" Tsar Nicholas "the Bloody" after the poor little Romanoff had killed some 3 million Russians, leading directly to the revolution. Why didn’t he just send him to one of the Tsar’s katorgas (Siberian gulags - Stalin didn't invent those), or starve the guy to death while pouring the countries resources into faberge eggs and imperialist war. Also, he "brutally crush[ed] anarchist uprisings" because yes, it is most unjust to stop Makhno rolling into village after village expropriating all resources "in the name of the people" and raping all the women. There's a lot to criticise Lenin over, but there's no need to pretend his opponents were all sugar and spice.

Lenin's role[edit]

The article seems to rather overstate the role of Lenin as the autocratic dictator. That image is certainly a popular one, but, ironically, it's actually part of the Lenin myth created by Stalin propaganda that turned his cult of personality into truly godlike veneration. In practice, before Stalin takeover, Soviet Russia / USSR was not ruled by a single man, but rather by committee (Sovnarkom - Sovet Narodnykh Komissarov - People's Commissioners Council). While Lenin was the chairman of the Council, it was, at the time, mostly a position of protocol. His voice was certainly considered very authoritative, more so than most other members (though Trotsky came pretty close, and there were other prominent figures), but he still had to convince the other members to agree with him, and he did not always end up in the majority and get his way. It was not until Stalin that Bolshevik hierarchy was stripped of all remaining vestiges of democracy and collective decision making, and truly reshaped into a bona fide dictatorship run by a single man. 50.135.227.104 (talk) 07:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Lenin electrified[edit]

How can [1] and Lenin's statement 'Communism is Soviet government plus the electrification of the whole country' be combined? 171.33.222.26 (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Lenin responsible for ash die back?[edit]

Or Lenin was a mushroom [2] - there is more on the other-language pages. 86.191.127.112 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Popular but dubious Lenin quote[edit]

I made a correction, the quote above the article attributed to Lenin could not be found anywhere within his collected works, even paraphrased, the source was a "celebrity personality types" site and was unreferenced, will finds something appropriate to replace it.— Unsigned, by: Blknoisemachine / talk / contribs

Talk page posts are added at the end of the page, they have to have a fitting heading and have to be signed (add the this at the end of your posts: --~~~~)
The quote was also badly translated from German by the looks of it.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 02:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC) 02:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Noted and thank you, Still getting to grips with wiki editing. --Blknoisemachine (talk) 02:27, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The NEP....[edit]

....was a betrayal of the October Revolution, but with the Civil War and all I can see why Lenin reinstated market forces into the USSR. Oxyaena Harass 16:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Those edits[edit]

aren't even that incontrovertible, and are historically accurate. Oxyaena Harass 20:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tinribmancer Stop with the reverting, I created this talk page section for a reason. Oxyaena Harass 21:04, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You are reverting edits that @Cosmikdebris undid from a BoN. Lenin was a dictator. Or are you also going to ignore all the stuff written on said page? You gonna ban me for 3 days aswell, like you did twice with Jaydogg1994? --Tinribmancer (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
"Jaydogg" constantly makes shit edits against community consensus, is a bad faith editor, and edits on a consistent partisan bias. Lenin was obviously authoritarian, but he was no autocrat. See what the BoN from 2014 wrote a few sections up, that's pretty accurate. Oxyaena Harass 21:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
I stand against communist apologism. I oppose Oxy’s edit-warring. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 21:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
This isn't apologism of any stripe, these are just minor corrections to a shitty article. Notice that almost none of the critical content has been removed. Oxyaena Harass 21:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You're ignoring the "dictator" part. Tinribmancer (talk) 21:41, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
As a compromise I'll edit the article to include the "dictator part." Oxyaena Harass 21:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
He was one, but every single moonbat is excusing that, so I'm not surprised that you're putting dictator between brackets.. From the article: "Lenin is especially revered among the hard-left, despite founding the Cheka (secret police), militarizing labor at the cost of thousands of people being displaced, bringing about the Red Terror and brutally crushing anarchist uprisings."
Totally a saint... --Tinribmancer (talk) 22:00, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You're forgetting the part about the civil fucking war going on at the time, and please, the unironic usage of the term "moonbat" is so fucking cringe. Oxyaena Harass 22:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The withering state[edit]

"However, Marx's idea was to let workers run the industries themselves and let the socialist state "whither away". "

iirc, Marx, Engels, and Lenin all believed that the conditions for the withering away of the state would only exist after capitalism was extinguished globally. Marx never indicated that a revolutionary socialist state besieged on all sides by capitalist powers would wither away, so Lenin creating a state is not departing from orthodox marxism.

I don't know how serious this article is supposed to be, but it's chock full of inaccuracies like this. Should I bother revising it, or will my edits just get overturned? — Unsigned, by: 2601:246:c100:930:1170:a7b4:4b00:5ebe / talk / contribs