Talk:Vladimir Lenin

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The NEP....[edit]

....was a betrayal of the October Revolution, but with the Civil War and all I can see why Lenin reinstated market forces into the USSR. Oxyaena Harass 16:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Those edits[edit]

aren't even that incontrovertible, and are historically accurate. Oxyaena Harass 20:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tinribmancer Stop with the reverting, I created this talk page section for a reason. Oxyaena Harass 21:04, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You are reverting edits that @Cosmikdebris undid from a BoN. Lenin was a dictator. Or are you also going to ignore all the stuff written on said page? You gonna ban me for 3 days aswell, like you did twice with Jaydogg1994? --Tinribmancer (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
"Jaydogg" constantly makes shit edits against community consensus, is a bad faith editor, and edits on a consistent partisan bias. Lenin was obviously authoritarian, but he was no autocrat. See what the BoN from 2014 wrote a few sections up, that's pretty accurate. Oxyaena Harass 21:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
I stand against communist apologism. I oppose Oxy’s edit-warring. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 21:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
This isn't apologism of any stripe, these are just minor corrections to a shitty article. Notice that almost none of the critical content has been removed. Oxyaena Harass 21:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You're ignoring the "dictator" part. Tinribmancer (talk) 21:41, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
As a compromise I'll edit the article to include the "dictator part." Oxyaena Harass 21:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
He was one, but every single moonbat is excusing that, so I'm not surprised that you're putting dictator between brackets.. From the article: "Lenin is especially revered among the hard-left, despite founding the Cheka (secret police), militarizing labor at the cost of thousands of people being displaced, bringing about the Red Terror and brutally crushing anarchist uprisings."
Totally a saint... --Tinribmancer (talk) 22:00, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
You're forgetting the part about the civil fucking war going on at the time, and please, the unironic usage of the term "moonbat" is so fucking cringe. Oxyaena Harass 22:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The withering state[edit]

"However, Marx's idea was to let workers run the industries themselves and let the socialist state "whither away". "

iirc, Marx, Engels, and Lenin all believed that the conditions for the withering away of the state would only exist after capitalism was extinguished globally. Marx never indicated that a revolutionary socialist state besieged on all sides by capitalist powers would wither away, so Lenin creating a state is not departing from orthodox marxism.

I don't know how serious this article is supposed to be, but it's chock full of inaccuracies like this. Should I bother revising it, or will my edits just get overturned? — Unsigned, by: 2601:246:c100:930:1170:a7b4:4b00:5ebe / talk / contribs


I agree with DuceMoosolini's revert of the category; from what I can tell, Lenin had a Jewish grandmother, but there's no evidence that Lenin identified culturally or religiously with Judaism. Plutocow (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Me too. I believe I've said this before: the "Jew" category is about the religion, not about ethinicity. We don't have, as far as I'm aware, a category for whites, blacks, Asians, etc, so we shouldn't add this category for those of jewish heritage, unless they also follow the religion. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 17:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Lenin was not a dictor[edit]

Lenin was not a dictator. He was actually for democracy. His goverment worked a lot like a republic, in fact its whole thing was similar to the system with the electoral collage to some extant. I think what the editors are thinking about is stalin, not lenin. They are two very diffirent people -- (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)