Talk:Vladimir Lenin

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The NEP....

....was a betrayal of the October Revolution, but with the Civil War and all I can see why Lenin reinstated market forces into the USSR. — Oxyaena ^Harass 16:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Those edits

aren't even that incontrovertible, and are historically accurate. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tinribmancer Stop with the reverting, I created this talk page section for a reason. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:04, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

You are reverting edits that @Cosmikdebris undid from a BoN. Lenin was a dictator. Or are you also going to ignore all the stuff written on said page? You gonna ban me for 3 days aswell, like you did twice with Jaydogg1994? --Tinribmancer (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

"Jaydogg" constantly makes shit edits against community consensus, is a bad faith editor, and edits on a consistent partisan bias. Lenin was obviously authoritarian, but he was no autocrat. See what the BoN from 2014 wrote a few sections up, that's pretty accurate. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

I stand against communist apologism. I oppose Oxy’s edit-warring. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 21:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

This isn't apologism of any stripe, these are just minor corrections to a shitty article. Notice that almost none of the critical content has been removed. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

You're ignoring the "dictator" part. Tinribmancer (talk) 21:41, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

As a compromise I'll edit the article to include the "dictator part." — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

He was one, but every single moonbat is excusing that, so I'm not surprised that you're putting dictator between brackets.. From the article: "Lenin is especially revered among the hard-left, despite founding the Cheka (secret police), militarizing labor at the cost of thousands of people being displaced, bringing about the Red Terror and brutally crushing anarchist uprisings."

Totally a saint... --Tinribmancer (talk) 22:00, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

You're forgetting the part about the civil fucking war going on at the time, and please, the unironic usage of the term "moonbat" is so fucking cringe. — Oxyaena ^Harass 22:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The withering state

"However, Marx's idea was to let workers run the industries themselves and let the socialist state "whither away". "

iirc, Marx, Engels, and Lenin all believed that the conditions for the withering away of the state would only exist after capitalism was extinguished globally. Marx never indicated that a revolutionary socialist state besieged on all sides by capitalist powers would wither away, so Lenin creating a state is not departing from orthodox marxism.

I don't know how serious this article is supposed to be, but it's chock full of inaccuracies like this. Should I bother revising it, or will my edits just get overturned? ^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:246:c100:930:1170:a7b4:4b00:5ebe / talk / contribs}

Jewish

I agree with DuceMoosolini's revert of the category; from what I can tell, Lenin had a Jewish grandmother, but there's no evidence that Lenin identified culturally or religiously with Judaism. Plutocow (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Me too. I believe I've said this before: the "Jew" category is about the religion, not about ethinicity. We don't have, as far as I'm aware, a category for whites, blacks, Asians, etc, so we shouldn't add this category for those of jewish heritage, unless they also follow the religion. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 17:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Lenin was not a dictor

Lenin was not a dictator. He was actually for democracy. His goverment worked a lot like a republic, in fact its whole thing was similar to the system with the electoral collage to some extant. I think what the editors are thinking about is stalin, not lenin. They are two very diffirent people --172.59.32.254 (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)