User talk:Arcadium Trancefer/Archive2

Sup

I came to ask you if you could help me with editing drafts sometime, since I can’t always keep doing it alone. Rational Dude (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate your help. Rational Dude (talk) 21:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Soviet propaganda skepticism is now "Tinfoilry" ?

Since when is the notion that the Soviet Union published anti-China propaganda (in Russian language I emphasize here) during the Sino-Soviet split a conspiracy theory? It's no secret that the USSR media dunked on China during the split and Moscow somewhat viewed Xinjiang as their turf. I cited to the 1967 Novo Vremya article with outlandish claims that were proven false with time. This isn't genocide denialism it's Russian propaganda skepticism. I highly recommend you refine your searches beyond English-languages sources before immediately jumping to the conclusion that something doesn't exist. The USSR did levy accusations of genocide against "Maoist reactionaries" during the split and Russia has since ceased the accusations as political relations improved. Just read the Russian language literature of the era. https://books.google.com/books?id=s-cKAQAAIAAJ "The Soviet government used local Uyghurs in their policy toward the neighbouring Xinjiang province of China" https://books.google.com/books?id=QoF8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA130 " whereby the US and Soviet Union provided support to and sympathy for Tibetan, Uyghur and Mongol discontent and separatism" https://books.google.com/books?id=5fpyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA22 "and later the USSR had on numerous occasions fomented unrest and supported separatist groups within Xinjiang" https://books.google.com/books?id=zHg5EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT45 The Soviet Union gonna Soviet Union.--PotterGarry (talk) 00:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Which is why it should be a section in the already existing article covering the subject but you're not really here to engage good faith. It's ok. We all know that. No need to pretend differently. Carthage (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

The AfD is over, that article is deleted and is not coming back, especially not after you've outed yourself as a genocide denialist. Please stop your pointless crusade unless you want to get topic banned. Plutocow (talk) 00:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

If I'm a Uyghur genocide denier then everyone here is a Meskhetian genocide denialist. We need CONSISTENT not random standards for what is and isn't genocide. And you still haven't proven any of the Soviet propaganda claims from the 1960's to not be false. Soviet claims about China during the height of the Sino-Soviet split are inherently unreliable.--PotterGarry (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Then make an article on the Meskhetian genocide, you dick. Nobody's stopping you from doing so. Carthage (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

But you folks will just delete it and say it wan't genocide because the perps weren't Chinese. Even though they Uzbeks were fucking blunt about their genocidal intent unlike the big bad Chinese who are very clear that they don't want to lynch every Uyghur man woman and child. And don't you dare give me this "Meskhetians deserved it" shit they were literally the most submissive they had no separatist or even civil rights movement and always turned to other cheek only to be massacred over a bowl of strawberries.--PotterGarry (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Literally no one here has said that the Meskhetian genocide didn't happen. But you are obviously only talking about it not because you care about Meskhetians but because you want to attack the Uyghur genocide. Get a fucking grip. Plutocow (talk) 17:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Or maybe I'm just fucking pissed that somehow the Uyghurs are so special to be considered victims of genocide and get crocodile tears from the West when many who suffer far worse aren't called genocide vicitms and their massacres are celebrated as democratic color revolutions by "freedom-loving" mafias. By calling what China does genocide we set the bar for genocide too low and render the word meaningless at the expense of actually endangered peoples.--PotterGarry (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

You don't give a shit either, seeing as how you're using them for a cheap rhetorical trick. Carthage (talk) 17:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

No, you all are using Uyghur for cheap rhetorical tricks to make China the boogeyman. The notion of a Uyghur genocide at its core is a slap in the face to the many Central Asians that actually experienced it. You want China to be weak and lose control of Xinjiang not because you care about Uyghurs but because you want the small peoples that China has saved like Pamiri Tajiks to "get what they deserve". Just ask the poor Uyghur separatists what they plan on doing to non-Uyghurs if they get independence. Supporting Uyghur struggle against China gravely endangers the non-Uyghurs in Xinjiang. And you still haven't proven any of the 1960s Soviet propaganda claims about Xinjiang that I rightly called hoaxes. You know very well that Soviet claims about China from the 1960s need to be taken with a HEAPING grain of salt.--PotterGarry (talk) 17:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Right, a million+ Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and whatnot are just being shoved into "vocational rehabilitation centers" complete with cultural erasure and forced sterilizations for the fun of it. You know what forced cultural assimilation is a synonym of? Genocide. Carthage (talk) 17:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Temporary incarceration of 1 million of a population over 10 million? As in, most are not incarcerated AND still allowed in Xinjiang AND still allowed to identify as Uyghurs? Still not crossing the threshold of genocide.--PotterGarry (talk) 17:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

You don't know how statistics works. That's 1 out of every 10 people. If you're a Uyghur, odds are you know people who've been abducted by Han thugs. Either way forced cultural assimilation (including all instruction being in Putonghua and not, y'know, Uyghur, the forcible rape of Uyghur women by Chinese authorities, the punishment of traditional religious practices that have nothing to do with violent separatist sentiment etc) is still genocide. You're just plain making shit up as you go along. Carthage (talk) 18:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

1 in 10 incarcerated at some point doesn't mean shit. If China wanted to get rid of them it could easily incarcerate them all. Rape isn't unique to China and Uyghur women are not forbidden by law from rejecting a sexual advance. Forcing to learn Putonghua doesn't mean shit. Guess China is also genociding Yue, Ming, Gan, Wu, Korean? Everyone in China has to learn Putonghua Uyghurs aren't special they don't somehow get an exception here. China restricts religious practices of non-Uyghurs all the time and has demolished lots of churches and monestaries. There is nothing special about the Uyghurs. This is all just SOP in Central Asia and until China actually starts genociding them we shouldn't cry genocide because premature accusations of genocide motivate actual genocide. Let's not teach China that they have nothing to lose by changing the status quo and starting to actually genocide Uyghurs. It's best to prevent self-fufilling prophecies.--18:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

And here we are folks. "Rape and cultural imperialism are ok because other countries do it too! It's not rape if the victim doesn't reject her attacker! It's not genocide I swear!" Can we say "mask off" anyone? Carthage (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey

I don’t know why you blocked and unfriended me on discord, but whatever I did, I’m sorry. If I was talking too much, you could’ve just told me and I’d gladly stop. I don’t think I did anything that would’ve justified being blocked. Rational Dude (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Btw, if you can assist with helping find links for fascists I plan to make articles on, it would be much appreciated. Get back to this if you can, since it seems that there's pretty much no one else here who can help me with this subject. Rational Dude (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Veganism

Hi, could you review your changes on Veganism#Vegans_harming_animals? You put back in a non-working link. I wonder why. Especially since I put in a link of the most-likely same content (the link I pasted in is an article with the same name, even the author is the same name). It also supports the other changes I made: "As obligate carnivores, kitties can't digest plant-based foods efficiently". I would also like to know why you deleted the last paragraph which cites The Conversation. A webpage which is seen as very highly factual and least biased by your linked page mediabiasfactcheck.com.--217.243.179.82 (talk) 18:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Huffpost isn't a reliable source. That's why. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

But a blog by a self-appointed "expert" (and lobbyist) is? I see. Then tell me why you keep the other huffpost.com link? --217.243.179.82 (talk) 16:19, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't explain why the citation linking to The Conversation was deleted though. Carthage (talk) 16:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Hello, I’m New world. I noticed that you reverted my recent edits on Wikipedia, but you didn’t provide an edit summary. It would be nice of you to explain your revert on the talk page of the article. Thank you. New world (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Accused of trolling?

Hello Arcadium Trancefer, I recieved your message on my talk page where you accused me of trolling. Why am I accused of trolling? What suggests this? Kind regards, JewishAtheist (talk) 13:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe read the whole sentence: "This is probably because of your poor, obvious attempts at trolling or displays of unwelcome behavior." Your "But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" edit isn't Good faith editing and more bitching and whining like others who don't like us love to do. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

LOLL I was just joking because of the obvious biased statements in the article (to me at least). Take the joke without crying seeing as this wiki can bitch about everyone but themselves hahaha JewishAtheist (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

How to write an article here?

Hi, I imported an article I developed from En-Wiki to my sandbox here, would you be able to guide me through the article writing and creation process here? https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Y2hyaXM/Sharon_Green_Middleton Y2hyaXM (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I see no reason why this person is relevant to the RationalWiki mission. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Try our pumpkin spice lasagna!} 15:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

What is the Rationalwiki mission? I thought this was just a different perspective on WP? Y2hyaXM (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Our mission is listed on our homepage. RationalWiki focuses on debunking pseudoscience, documenting crank ideas, analyzing authoritarianism and fundamentalism, and criticizing how these topics are handled in the media. We also have a section for voting on deletion of articles that don't meet the mission criteria. Generally speaking, local politicians are not something we focus on unless they've done something truly outrageous. See also: RationalWiki:What is a RationalWiki article? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Try our pumpkin spice lasagna!} 16:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh I see, thanks for clarifying that. Would someone be able to delete the article I imported in that case? Y2hyaXM (talk) 12:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 12:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look around and see what I can write about! Y2hyaXM (talk) 12:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Stop reverting my removal of the homophobes category on Styxhexenhammer666's page

He is pro gay marriage and not a homophobe --Sympathy5010 (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I actually agree based on what the article says. The body text does not support the homophobe category. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Try our pumpkin spice lasagna!} 15:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I approved Sympathy5010's edit because there were sources for him supporting gay marriage. He seems like an asshole in other ways, but that doesn't inherently make him a homophobe. Is there anything I'm missing? IntrepidSkeptic (talk) 15:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)